Freedom from Americas grip

darkbeaver

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March 16, 2006

Latin America And Asia Are At Last Breaking Free Of Washington's Grip

By Noam Chomsky

The prospect that Europe and Asia might move towards greater independence has troubled US planners since the second world war. The concerns have only risen as the "tripolar order" - Europe, North America and Asia - has continued to evolve.

Every day Latin America, too, is becoming more independent. Now Asia and the Americas are strengthening their ties while the reigning superpower, the odd man out, consumes itself in misadventures in the Middle East.

Regional integration in Asia and Latin America is a crucial and increasingly important issue that, from Washington's perspective, betokens a defiant world gone out of control. Energy, of course, remains a defining factor - the object of contention - everywhere.

China, unlike Europe, refuses to be intimidated by Washington, a primary reason for the fear of China by US planners, which presents a dilemma: steps toward confrontation are inhibited by US corporate reliance on China as an export platform and growing market, as well as by China's financial reserves - reported to be approaching Japan's in scale.

In January, Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah visited Beijing, which is expected to lead to a Sino-Saudi memorandum of understanding calling for "increased cooperation and investment between the two countries in oil, natural gas and investment", the Wall Street Journal reports.

Already much of Iran's oil goes to China, and China is providing Iran with weapons that both states presumably regard as deterrent to US designs. India also has options. India may choose to be a US client, or it may prefer to join the more independent Asian bloc that is taking shape, with ever more ties to Middle East oil producers. Siddharth Varadarjan, the deputy editor of the Hindu, observes that "if the 21st century is to be an 'Asian century,' Asia's passivity in the energy sector has to end".

The key is India-China cooperation. In January, an agreement signed in Beijing "cleared the way for India and China to collaborate not only in technology but also in hydrocarbon exploration and production, a partnership that could eventually alter fundamental equations in the world's oil and natural gas sector", Varadarjan points out.

An additional step, already being contemplated, is an Asian oil market trading in euros. The impact on the international financial system and the balance of global power could be significant. It should be no surprise that President Bush paid a recent visit to try to keep India in the fold, offering nuclear cooperation and other inducements as a lure.

Meanwhile, in Latin America left-centre governments prevail from Venezuela to Argentina. The indigenous populations have become much more active and influential, particularly in Bolivia and Ecuador, where they either want oil and gas to be domestically controlled or, in some cases, oppose production altogether.

Many indigenous people apparently do not see any reason why their lives, societies and cultures should be disrupted or destroyed so that New Yorkers can sit in their SUVs in traffic gridlock.

Venezuela, the leading oil exporter in the hemisphere, has forged probably the closest relations with China of any Latin American country, and is planning to sell increasing amounts of oil to China as part of its effort to reduce dependence on the openly hostile US government.

Venezuela has joined Mercosur, the South American customs union - a move described by Nestor Kirchner, the Argentinian president, as "a milestone" in the development of this trading bloc, and welcomed as a "new chapter in our integration" by Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, the Brazilian president.

Venezuela, apart from supplying Argentina with fuel oil, bought almost a third of Argentinian debt issued in 2005, one element of a region-wide effort to free the countries from the controls of the IMF after two decades of disastrous conformity to the rules imposed by the US-dominated international financial institutions.

Steps toward Southern Cone [the southern states of South America] integration advanced further in December with the election in Bolivia of Evo Morales, the country's first indigenous president. Morales moved quickly to reach a series of energy accords with Venezuela. The Financial Times reported that these "are expected to underpin forthcoming radical reforms to Bolivia's economy and energy sector" with its huge gas reserves, second only to Venezuela's in South America.

Cuba-Venezuela relations are becoming ever closer, each relying on its comparative advantage. Venezuela is providing low-cost oil, while in return Cuba organises literacy and health programmes, sending thousands of highly skilled professionals, teachers and doctors, who work in the poorest and most neglected areas, as they do elsewhere in the third world.

Cuban medical assistance is also being welcomed elsewhere. One of the most horrendous tragedies of recent years was the earthquake in Pakistan last October. Besides the huge death toll, unknown numbers of survivors have to face brutal winter weather with little shelter, food or medical assistance.

"Cuba has provided the largest contingent of doctors and paramedics to Pakistan," paying all the costs (perhaps with Venezuelan funding), writes John Cherian in India's Frontline magazine, citing Dawn, a leading Pakistan daily.

President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan expressed his "deep gratitude" to Fidel Castro for the "spirit and compassion" of the Cuban medical teams - reported to comprise more than 1,000 trained personnel, 44% of them women, who remained to work in remote mountain villages, "living in tents in freezing weather and in an alien culture", after western aid teams had been withdrawn.

Growing popular movements, primarily in the south but with increasing participation in the rich industrial countries, are serving as the bases for many of these developments towards more independence and concern for the needs of the great majority of the population.

• Noam Chomsky, the author, most recently, of Imperial Ambitions: Conversations on the Post-9/11 World, is a professor of linguistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Tec
 

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Empires always decline. And really, the United States has only been an empire since the 50's, and a large part of their "empire" was shared with Great Britain. The United States will be around for a little more time. They are needed of course, they are the world's largest consumers and it would be unwise to dispose of this force. With the advance of technology life's pace has quickened. It has also appeared to have accelerated the rise and fall of nations.
 

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It's good when countries become independent of countries that take advantage of others who are in need, but if it makes China the new superpower of the world, with their horrible human rights record, that's bad. I don't think the US is the greatest superpower, but it'll be a cold day in hell before China is allowed to step into that role.
 

jimmoyer

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Darkbeaver, there is no doubt Chomsky has gotten
his belief system deeply embedded as much as a
rightwinger jingoist, but Chomsky's selective view
is easily as selective as those he condemns.

I like to read him on the off chance I learn something.
 

darkbeaver

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Welcome to hell Albertas Finest, the war for supremacy has already begun Uncle Sam cannot win, they can only destroy us all trying to hang on to the number one spot. And if thier human rights record is so bad how is it so many of them have managed to live, I suggest to you that you reevaluate your feelings about China. I like Chinese food and I'm sick unto death of cheeseburgers and fries.
 

darkbeaver

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jimmoyer said:
Darkbeaver, there is no doubt Chomsky has gotten
his belief system deeply embedded as much as a
rightwinger jingoist, but Chomsky's selective view
is easily as selective as those he condemns.

I like to read him on the off chance I learn something.

He has consistantly called it like it is JimMoyer, he is very much respected and admired for his brains, he is one of your nations treasures, and by the way America is full of very intelligent people whom I'm sure you have noticed, I have every confidence that America will save itself and take it's place in the world with the rest of us and not continue down the road to oblivion with this empire nonsense. But you will never be allowed to have it all, perhaps many will die before your people put a stop to it, I hope not but I cannot see a bright future for your people or mine without much stupid bloodshed all for the filthy rich.
 

jimmoyer

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My conservative friends always fight me for wanting
to hear what Chomsky is up to saying.

But he too often sounds just like what the extreme
right wingers do, pounding the bully pulpit, pounding
the drum of a negative although true, is never
inspiring and because it is never inspirational or
even comedic it really does lose some of the overall
truth of the world ----- a world that always defies
the predictions of these prophets, a world that is
bigger than their narrow slice of it.
 

darkbeaver

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jimmoyer said:
Darkbeaver, maybe you should learn a little more
about China yesterday and China Today.

You're riding on perception and no research.

Don't depend on the headlines on China to keep you
informed.

I don't depend on headlines at all JimMoyer, I always follow the money, it invariably leads to power, don't make baseless assumptions. Especially about human rights. What with your patriot act you are loseing your rights while China relaxes it's grip on it's people a little bit at a time.
 

jimmoyer

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I don't know if your overall perception of China is true
because of the variety and complexity of China. We just
saw Google cave to China, but didn't cave in to the American govt.

Although your observations of the Patriot Act might
be right, it is hard to compare that with all the things
we don't know about China and will not read in a
news article.
 

darkbeaver

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I hope you survive the war JimMoyer the world needs dreamers like you, Chompsky is a mechanic not a side show prophet or an entertaining reader of cards, he bats 1000.
 

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Chomsky, in my opinion, is a closet communist/socialist/apologist. His disdain for the US and Israel is almost venemous at times and he so quickly pardons dictators and despots without a second look.

I'm new here folks and hadn't expected my first post to be an exercise in pot stirring, but please.......

The way I see, Canada is becoming a nation of Nations lacking social pride or historical awareness. Many of these same self loathing hand wringing Canadian's lack the fortitude and spine to stand up for what's right.

Is America perfect? Not by any stretch of the imagination, but I'd rather live there than Saudi Arabia, Iran or Venezuela.

Yellow journalism infuriates me most because it is the blood of Canadian Soldiers that has been spilled so that an apologist like Chomsky can spew such psychobabble.

Step away from your Expresso's folks, I'm here and while my Son and his Comrades are over there (Not importing imperialism or Christian values) the apologist complain debate and complain.

Cheers
 

Hank C

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darkbeaver said:
Welcome to hell Albertas Finest, the war for supremacy has already begun Uncle Sam cannot win, they can only destroy us all trying to hang on to the number one spot. And if thier human rights record is so bad how is it so many of them have managed to live, I suggest to you that you reevaluate your feelings about China. I like Chinese food and I'm sick unto death of cheeseburgers and fries.

Im sorry but these are the words of an idiot :roll:
 

Hank C

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Re: RE: Freedom from Americas grip

darkbeaver said:
jimmoyer said:
Darkbeaver, maybe you should learn a little more
about China yesterday and China Today.

You're riding on perception and no research.

Don't depend on the headlines on China to keep you
informed.

I don't depend on headlines at all JimMoyer, I always follow the money, it invariably leads to power, don't make baseless assumptions. Especially about human rights. What with your patriot act you are loseing your rights while China relaxes it's grip on it's people a little bit at a time.

this coming from a person who supports chavez and his "freedom of speech" :lol: . You have a double standard, one for America and one for the rest of the world. It is an unfair playing field, but a sad reality which people ignore because America is always in the spot light, its easy to ignore other much worse offenders and find martyrs in people who are just as bad or worse because they share the same negative opinion of America.
 

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"The way I see, Canada is becoming a nation of Nations lacking social pride or historical awareness. Many of these same self loathing hand wringing Canadian's lack the fortitude and spine to stand up for what's right. "

And what exactly is "right"?
the reality is that right is relative to many other factors,
including level of awareness.

for progress to occur, boundaries must be pushed,
traditions challenged,
mores questioned.

since the earliest discovered writings,
we have had men calling for enlightenment,
and we have had men calling for ignorance.

funny how things are so cyclical.
these times are but a flash in the pan,
from which something "new" will emerge.
perhaps we will break into a new way of thought,
or perhaps history will repeat itself again.

the time of the "dark ages", the real "dark ages",
is still ongoing, and much older than most will ever realize.