Former Fascist dick found dead

[Finder]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...lobodan_autopsy060312/20060312?hub=TopStories


Yup Slobo was found dead in his cell over the weekend. So far they do not know if he was poison, committed suicide or just... ummm... died.

Anyhow even though Slobo, climed to have been a socialist and the socialist party of Serbia claimed this as well it is well known this former Serbian President plundged Yugoslavia, a nation which for over almost 40 years had lived in peace with it's Republica's under the rule of Tito who could have been claimed as a... socialist-syndicalist and an internationalist. Some Republica's were given special status as a republic in Yugoslia such as Kosovo and a few others which run themselves pretty much. Once Milosevic gained powered he turned everything on it's head. Taking rights away from the republics which started to resent Serbia, as Milosevic was acting as if the Serbian people were the victoms of the Yugoslavian Republic. While Yugoslavia was still around he tried to excert Serbian power over the nabouring Republics causing them to break the Union and declair independance. After which Milosevic invaded nabouring Republics taking Serbian area's in these republics into a "greater" Serbian republic. Only two Republics in Yugoslavia relitively excaped the Serbian attacks. A part of these attacks came the "ethnic cleansing" which had killed countless innocent civillians.


I'm glade Milosevic is dead, but it is sad that the trial had not been completed.

It is horrific that people still believe in such ultra-nationalism, it is even more sad that so called "socialists" in Serbia still don't believe this never happend, or have been sold to "nationalist socialist" princibles of ultra-nationalism where they believe they were the victoms of all of this.

 

[Hank C]

I'm glade Milosevic is dead, but it is sad that the trial had not been completed.

Im sure hes having a worse time in hell right bout now

 

[Finder]

I don't know it's just not as satisfying this way. I'd rather him be found guility of all those crimes then just die like that. It's like this entire trial has been a waste of time now. *shrugs* maybe it's me.

 

[PoisonPete2]

Isn't it wonderful? The Court meisters can congradulate themselves on bringing their trial against their first head of state as far as they could. The Serbs can hold a state funeral and venerate Slobo because he was not found guilty. The only loser is poor Slobo who spent some 4 years in prison and came out with a toe-tag. He was presumed innocent wasn't he??
OH by the way, he was a COMMUNIST not a FASCIST. Fascism is a combination of state power with private enterprise.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Former Fascist dick found dead

OH by the way, he was a COMMUNIST not a FASCIST. Fascism is a combination of state power with private enterprise.

That is one of it's meanings, it is not the only way it can be used.

Fascism is also typified by totalitarian attempts to impose state control over all aspects of life: political, social, cultural, and economic. The fascist state regulates and controls (as opposed to nationalizing) the means of production. Fascism exalts the nation, state, or race as superior to the individuals, institutions, or groups composing it. Fascism uses explicit populist rhetoric; calls for a heroic mass effort to restore past greatness; and demands loyalty to a single leader, often to the point of a cult of personality.

That sounds rather communist to me.

Wikipedia is your friend

 

[PoisonPete2]

Re: RE: Former Fascist dick found dead

quote]

That sounds rather communist to me.

Wikipedia is your friend

RESPONSE: “Fascism should rightly be called corporatism as it is a merge of state and corporate power"...Benito Mussolini

Mussolini was a Fascist. He knew it. now Slobi rose through the ranks of the Communist Party. He remained a Communist who manipulated nationalist sympathies to his ends. Both Communism and Fascism are totalitarian but they are on opposite ends of the political spectrum. Fascists do not seek to control the means of production but rather work hand in glove with them. Much like the US regime. Now to claim that Communism and Fascism are the same is off the wall. Next you'll be saying that, in Canada a man elected as a Liberal could become a Conservative before Parliament sits, and it wouldn't be because he was induced.

 

[I think not]

I know what Mussolini said and it is not absurd Pete, terms are used loosely all the time and change or expand its meaning.

fas·cism

1. often Fascism
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

Word History: It is fitting that the name of an authoritarian political movement like Fascism, founded in 1919 by Benito Mussolini, should come from the name of a symbol of authority. The Italian name of the movement, fascismo, is derived from fascio, "bundle, (political) group," but also refers to the movement's emblem, the fasces, a bundle of rods bound around a projecting axe-head that was carried before an ancient Roman magistrate by an attendant as a symbol of authority and power. The name of Mussolini's group of revolutionaries was soon used for similar nationalistic movements in other countries that sought to gain power through violence and ruthlessness, such as National Socialism.

 

[Doryman]

I don't know it's just not as satisfying this way. I'd rather him be found guility of all those crimes then just die like that. It's like this entire trial has been a waste of time now. *shrugs* maybe it's me.

The trial was a waste of time anyway. Are you telling me they needed to take four years to compile the evidence proving Slobo was responsible for those Massacres? He admitted it. The entire world watched the war on cable. Hell, I was in High School at the time, and between shot-gunning Labatts in my buddies cabin and desperately chasing every femme-bot that crossed my path, I gleaned enough info from the War to realize he's guilty!!!

The Right Honourable Judge .45 would have rendered a speedy verdict,I bet.

 

[Jay]

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=f48ac526-38c1-479c-b47e-91c66ba6ea14&rfp=dta


Unprescribed drugs found in Milosevic's body; Serb leader feared being poisoned

"Tomanovic said Milosevic was "seriously concerned" he was being poisoned. " 'They would like to poison me,' " he quoted Milosevic as telling him. "


This is the sort of "justice" we can expect from world courts.

 

[Finder]

He was a facsist, a communist is an internationalist, one who believes in equility, to an extreme. This f*cker, killed many of innocents because of their race and religion!

Anyhow here's a good link on his history by CTV.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060311/milosevic_timeline_060311/20060311/


Plus even Tito the leader of the Communist party of Yugoslavia wasn't really a communist since he didn't really believe in Marxism, or Leninism, and followed what is called socialist-syndicalism.

 

[Finder]

I don't know it's just not as satisfying this way. I'd rather him be found guility of all those crimes then just die like that. It's like this entire trial has been a waste of time now. *shrugs* maybe it's me.

The trial was a waste of time anyway. Are you telling me they needed to take four years to compile the evidence proving Slobo was responsible for those Massacres? He admitted it. The entire world watched the war on cable. Hell, I was in High School at the time, and between shot-gunning Labatts in my buddies cabin and desperately chasing every femme-bot that crossed my path, I gleaned enough info from the War to realize he's guilty!!!

The Right Honourable Judge .45 would have rendered a speedy verdict,I bet.

How many dictators in the world, have we wanted to see face the court, have ALL of there evils come out. I don't think it is a waste of time to hear things we may not have known if not investigated, or things which may have just been taken at face value. No it wasn't a waste of time to see the evils this man had done.

This guy ranks up there with people like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot. Just pure evil! He poisoned a nation of republics which generally got alone with each other. Yes nationalism in Yugoslavia was creeping up without his help but this man brought it to extremes only he could have done.

 

[VOJVODA]

RE: Former Fascist dick f

You forgot Bush and Clinton they are almost there with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot! Only they are the biggest capitalist pigs in the world. Blood thirsty pigs! By the way in former Yugoslavia there was no genocide there was a civil war where all nations fought each other to the death killing many civilians on their path. The croatians and muslims got supported by the west and islamic countries with many islamic fundamentalists fighting in bosnia and kosovo hoping to create an islamic state. None of you guys were there so you can not say anything for sure. Maybe some of you read hundreds of books and watched the news 24/7 but that is not enough you were not there to see it with your own eyes. The Nato bombed the wrong side. Shrill reports indicated that Slobodans security forces were conduction a campaign of genocide and that at least 100,000 Kosovo Albanians had been exterminated and buried in mass graves throughout the serbian province. The 100,000 allegedly buried in mass graves turned out to be 2000 of all ethnic origins including those killed in combat during the war itself. The kosovo albanians played you like a Stradivarius. You have subsidezed and indirectly supported their violent campaign for an ethnically pure and independent Kosovo! You guys obviously do not know history of yugoslavia and trouble that we had with albanians in the last 50 yrs. Remember the West was being sucked in on the side of an extremist, millitant, Kosovo-Albanian independence movements which was dismissed as west as appeasers.KLA was designated a terrorist organization and known to be receiving support from Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda (loosers) was conveniently ignored. Canadians and North Americans do not like to admit it when they are wrong. On the contrary, selected news clips on this side of the ocean continue to reinforce the popular spin that those dastardly Serbs are at it again! I fought in Kosovo for 2 years and 2 years in Bosnia on the side of the Serbian forces so I seen this. By the way I was fighting for the Serb side in order to stop spread of Islam! Since The Nato/UN intervention in 1999, Kosovo has become the crime capital of Europe. THe province has become an invaluable transit point for drugs, route - Europe and North America, Ironically the majority of the drugs come from another state "liberated" by the West, Afghanistan. Members of the KLA are intimately involved in organized crime and the government. Their objective is to purge all non- Albanians, includign the international community's representatives from Kosovo and ultimately llink up with mother Albania thereby achieving the goal of "greater albania" . THe same things were happening in Bosnia but I will not discuss that now, cause I can go forever. Most of you guys are amateurs, you never went to war you never saw what was happening so you do not know the real truth! But do not worry guys it is only half time in the balkans and I hope you will help us in the next coming war! We lost the war for now but another one is coming maybe 10, 20, 50 or 150 years but eventually we will win it!

Kosovo je Srbija! Srbija je Kosovo! Kosovo is ours!

 

[VOJVODA]

RE: Former Fascist dick f

Do not forget the west Aided the break up of Yugoslavia! Countries such as Germany, France and USA were deeply involved in the affairs of Yugoslavia, that is why Milosevic was assassinated in his cell, due to his substantial evidence involving everybody even the president of the UNited States Bill Klinton, MR. Evil (Wesly Clark) and the BITCH (Medaline ALbright)! Canadian Genearal Louis Mackenzie knows what I am talking about as I saw him during my fights in Sarajavo, capital of Bosnia and Herzegovina!

 

[Doryman]

How many dictators in the world, have we wanted to see face the court, have ALL of there evils come out. I don't think it is a waste of time to hear things we may not have known if not investigated, or things which may have just been taken at face value. No it wasn't a waste of time to see the evils this man had done.

This guy ranks up there with people like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot. Just pure evil! He poisoned a nation of republics which generally got alone with each other. Yes nationalism in Yugoslavia was creeping up without his help but this man brought it to extremes only he could have done.[/quote]


The thing is we already saw the things he has done, and those were horrible enough to pass judgement on him. What would we do if he was even more evil than we thought? Execute him twice?

I agree with brining war criminals to justice, but I would rather that the INternational Courts didn't d!ck around for YEARS to do it. His investigation and trial shouldn't have lasted more than two years, at the Most!!

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it is only half time in the balkans and I hope you will help us in the next coming war! We lost the war for now but another one is coming maybe 10, 20, 50 or 150 years but eventually we will win it!Kosovo je Srbija! Srbija je Kosovo! Kosovo is ours[/quote.]

Glad to see the voice of reason is prevailing over there...

 

[VOJVODA]

RE: Former Fascist dick f

That is the reality budy! Nobody likes the war but it is inevitable in the balkans, that is why we are all nut cases back there! You are right about that, but it is easy to be peaceful and multicultural here where there is planty of territory and resources. In the balkans these things are scarce and I am pretty sure if Canada was located where serbia is now surronded with all the countries like hungry, bulgaria, rumania, albania, bosnia, croatia, greece, macedonia, germany and others you too would go to war. Just remember the native populations of Canada were assimilated and displaced due to territory and natural resources, you add religion and ethnicity onto that and you have a full scale war! I am not for war, I am disgusted by it but when you see mujahedins from iran and afghanistan killing your family then what other option do you have? Diplomacy? You never went to war and you do not have a clue how things work out in the real world. By the way Milosevic was an ass, and he destroyed all nations, but remember most of all he destroyed the Serbs! The Serbs want the peace and diplomacy to work out and we want to enter the NATO and EU and we want Kosovo to be multiethnic but some people like you never get it, it is the Albanians that do not want that and Europeans are even pushing Kosovo for independece! I am absolutely against any kind of ethnic cleasing or genocide or killing any innocent civilians but in war there are fanatics who will do it to for revange or just for pure enjoyment and they sould be punished for that. That is evil but it is happening. It is a good thing that we got rid of Milosevic but it is unfortunate that the more dangerous men than him are stilling rulling the world and deciding on major world issues. By the way as we speak thousands of Albanians are armed in Kosovo and waiting to kick out few hundred serbs that stayed there. These same men will attack and kill Canadian soldiers once they are done with us. We want to Enter the EURO but for the last 10 years we did not any help to achieve that instead the Europeans are destroying us with their demands and conditions so I am not even sure of us entering the union. I think we would be better off if we join with the Russians and try to join EU with them. Also the Albanians want more Serbian territory as there is many of them in Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Greece and Bulgaria. As you can see during Communist rule Tito tried to be multiethnic and accepted albanians in Kosovo and that was our biggest mistake. Communism was our biggest mistake, 50 years of nowhere. The point is that Albanians want to create greater albania and so far they been helped and aided by both the west and the east yet in your eyes we are still ruthless killers and irrational human beings. I do not worry about, we had problems for centuries, but at the end we always prevail.

I am glad I am in Canada, it is a great country unlike any other in the world and all I ask is that people try to understand the issues a little bit better before they start with accusations! I can get along with anybody but sometimes when it comes the politics It is often that I find my self disagreeing with people.

Cheers!

 

[VOJVODA]

RE: Former Fascist dick f

By the way I would like to see how much reason you would have if Somebody wanted to take half of Canada! Perhaps you would like to negotiate or maybe move peacefully to the USA! Think about it!

 

[Jersay]

That is the reality budy! Nobody likes the war but it is inevitable in the balkans, that is why we are all nut cases back there! You are right about that, but it is easy to be peaceful and multicultural here where there is planty of territory and resources. In the balkans these things are scarce and I am pretty sure if Canada was located where serbia is now surronded with all the countries like hungry, bulgaria, rumania, albania, bosnia, croatia, greece, macedonia, germany and others you too would go to war. Just remember the native populations of Canada were assimilated and displaced due to territory and natural resources, you add religion and ethnicity onto that and you have a full scale war! I am not for war, I am disgusted by it but when you see mujahedins from iran and afghanistan killing your family then what other option do you have? Diplomacy? You never went to war and you do not have a clue how things work out in the real world. By the way Milosevic was an ass, and he destroyed all nations, but remember most of all he destroyed the Serbs! The Serbs want the peace and diplomacy to work out and we want to enter the NATO and EU and we want Kosovo to be multiethnic but some people like you never get it, it is the Albanians that do not want that and Europeans are even pushing Kosovo for independece! I am absolutely against any kind of ethnic cleasing or genocide or killing any innocent civilians but in war there are fanatics who will do it to for revange or just for pure enjoyment and they sould be punished for that. That is evil but it is happening. It is a good thing that we got rid of Milosevic but it is unfortunate that the more dangerous men than him are stilling rulling the world and deciding on major world issues. By the way as we speak thousands of Albanians are armed in Kosovo and waiting to kick out few hundred serbs that stayed there. These same men will attack and kill Canadian soldiers once they are done with us. We want to Enter the EURO but for the last 10 years we did not any help to achieve that instead the Europeans are destroying us with their demands and conditions so I am not even sure of us entering the union. I think we would be better off if we join with the Russians and try to join EU with them. Also the Albanians want more Serbian territory as there is many of them in Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Greece and Bulgaria. As you can see during Communist rule Tito tried to be multiethnic and accepted albanians in Kosovo and that was our biggest mistake. Communism was our biggest mistake, 50 years of nowhere. The point is that Albanians want to create greater albania and so far they been helped and aided by both the west and the east yet in your eyes we are still ruthless killers and irrational human beings. I do not worry about, we had problems for centuries, but at the end we always prevail.

I am glad I am in Canada, it is a great country unlike any other in the world and all I ask is that people try to understand the issues a little bit better before they start with accusations! I can get along with anybody but sometimes when it comes the politics It is often that I find my self disagreeing with people.

Cheers!

First off i don't believe Canada would devolve into violence. However being a soldier myself I can see what you are saying.

However, Slobo with his pro-Serbia mentality as well, helped speed up the break up of Yugoslavia. If he had stayed on Tito's track Yugoslavia might still be here.

And killing of civilians does happen in war but it isn't the same as the systematic slaughter of civilians as we saw in Bosnia, Croatia and other places.

 

[VOJVODA]

RE: Former Fascist dick f

The systematic slaughter of civilians were committed by all sides not just by the Serbs, as that is the ugly nature of the war, but do not forget that the Serbs wanted to preserve Yugoslavia even stuck to the name for a while but the other republics were planning succession immediately after Tito's death seeking help abroad. The Europeans were more than eager to break it as they speeded up in recognizing Croatia and Bosnia as independent states only to create chaos and confusion. Do not forget that the first blood was a serb blood in Sarajevo city where just married couples were gunned down by muslim fundamentalists. Also the Yugoslavian army and young soldiers were attacked in Slovenia even though the two sides have agreed to peacefully withdrew the army from Slovenia since the Serbs did not have any interests or serb minorities in that republic. And nobody tries to explain why serbs rose to conflict in Croatia because Croatian independence never guaranteed anything for the thousands of serbs in Croatian province of Kraina. They ended up being ethnically cleansed from that republic (200,000). Is it morally wrong to stop one etnic cleansing only to committ another one? I do not think so! Same thing happened in Kosovo, Serbs were ethnically cleansed by Nato and Albanians only to return the albanians into Kosovo! It just does not make any sense. Also German and French paramilitary skin heads were in Yugoslavia in big numbers only proves my point of western interference and interest in the region. I am not saying that Croatians should not get their own country but people do not know what really happened. Also the Bosnian republic was Serb for centuries and even if we allow Bosnians to separate how about serbs that do not want to live under Bosnian Muslim rule. If Kosovo Albanians could get Kosovo and Croatians Croatia then how come we can not get Serb part of Bosnia joining with Serbian (speaking of self-determination). By the way the treatment of Serbs in Muslim parts of Bosnia is horrible. I am not sure if you ever traveled there but you are basically second rated citizens, can't find job, physical threats, it is impossible to live in these kind of conditions that is why I am in Canada and do not have any intentions of going back home! Plus, some people never experienced what it means to be under a Muslim knife. We know that we fought the turks for centuries and the OLd serbian saying goes: "the living envy the dead"! I think I do not have to explain to you what this means but this quote explains the cruelty of the Muslim rule. The members of Al-Quida are in Bosnia, intermarring with our women and thousands of Mujahedins remained in Bosnia to this very day in order to create an Islamic State. For more information about this you can find out more from none else but the Canadian General Lewis Mackanzie. Find his movies and documentaries and you will know everything you need to know. The case of Yugoslavia was one big conspiracy and that is why Mackanzie lost his post in Bosnia due to his"correct and honest" views of the Balkan problems! It is better that you see it from an neutral observer as you will get 3 different stories depending of whom you ask what happened. Mackanzie does a good job in explaining of how Muslim troops were shooting from the hospitals and schools in order to provoke heavy response from the Serbian tanks and artillery, recording and sending images to the West of Serbian cruelty and disrespect for civilians ( even in schools and hospitals). " When they (KLA) achieve independence with the help of our tax dollars combined with those of bin Laden and al-Qaeda, just consider the message of encouragement this sends to other terrorist-supported independence movements around the world. Funny how we just keep digging the hole deeper!" General Lewis Mackanzie, now retired, commanded UN troops during the Bosnian CIVIL WAR of 1992.

 

[Jersay]

Kind of funny you talk about Bosnia, since they have around about 300 soldiers in Iraq or they did, and they are all Croat, Serb and Muslim and there were no problems at all. I think you are making Bosnia out worst than it actually is, but since I haven't been there and will like to go there I will have to wait for myself.

Or ask a friend of mine who was a peacekeeper in Bosnia.

 

[jimmoyer]

VOJVODA, you make some interesting points
but nobody else but the various groups of Yugoslavia did
this to themselves. Europe didn't do it. America
didn't do it. They did it.

Some of these nations were nations before
the artificial Yugoslavia was designed.

And some of these nations were part of the
Austria Hungary Empire, and before that, part of
the Holy Roman Empire.

And judging by your post, you know all of that.

But Europe was quite passive. They certainly
waited years until America stepped in. Europe
and Nato literally did nothing about anything there.

And what WAS there, will be there NOW.

This day was coming to the Balkans, no matter how
we Westerners live off the safe headlines of a strongman
like Tito or Milosovec keeping it out of our ken.

These ethnic groups, these nationalities kept their
identity through it all, and the West is not responsible
for the opportunism of mujadeen or al Qaeda seeking
weak countries as a base of operations.