Muslim Outrage

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Muslim Outrage

Muslim outrage huh. OK ... let's do a little historical review. Just some lowlights:

* Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
* A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
* Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage
* Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
* Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.

Dead children. Dead tourists. Dead teachers. Dead doctors and nurses. Death, destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of Muslims .. no Muslim outrage ... but publish a cartoon depicting Mohammed with a bomb in his turban and all hell breaks loose.

Come on, is this really about cartoons? They're rampaging and burning flags. They're looking for Europeans to kidnap. They're threatening innkeepers and generally raising holy Muslim hell not because of any outrage over a cartoon. They're outraged because it is part of the Islamic jihadist culture to be outraged. You don't really need a reason. You just need an excuse. Wandering around, destroying property, murdering children, firing guns into the air and feigning outrage over the slightest perceived insult is to a jihadist what tailgating is to a Steeler's fan.

I know and understand that these bloodthirsty murderers do not represent the majority of the world's Muslims. When, though, do they become outraged? When do they take to the streets to express their outrage at the radicals who are making their religion the object of worldwide hatred and ridicule? Islamic writer Salman Rushdie wrote of these silent Muslims in a New York Times article three years ago. "As their ancient, deeply civilized culture of love, art and philosophical reflection is hijacked by paranoiacs, racists, liars, male supremacists, tyrants, fanatics and violence junkies, why are they not screaming?"

Indeed. Why not?

I'll tell you why not. Islam is a nihilistic death cult. It is a midieval religion that needs to reform itself and join us in the 21st Century. Unfortunately, it ain't gonna happen in my lifetime.

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jimmoyer

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Actually a majority of the muslim world rejoiced
when those twin towers came down.

I don't think the moderates are the majority at all
in the muslim world.

But little does the muslim world know !!!

They can't even take
responsibility for bringing down the Twin Towers
according to that durable tribe of conspiracy theorists
that give the credit to the Bush administration
for orchestrating the whole thing.

You know that commercial ?

I ate the whole thing.
 

Andem

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I agree with jimmoyer. Mosques here in Germany preach to kill and rape Germans as their culture is unholy and offensive. It's not isolated either, and its been featured in the news here several times.
 

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I find it sad that such an opinion would be published only hours after a Coalition of Islamic Associations in Canada held a press conference (it was aired on CPAC) to express their disgust with Muslim associations abroad who would condone or promote such violence.

Besides, since when do Christians scream every time a Christian commits a crime? Why do we conclude that whenever a Muslim commits a crime, it is a black spot on each and every Muslim?
 

Andem

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Re: RE: Muslim Outrage

FiveParadox said:
I find it sad that such an opinion would be published only hours after a Coalition of Islamic Associations in Canada held a press conference (it was aired on CPAC) to express their disgust with Muslim associations abroad who would condone or promote such violence.

Besides, since when do Christians scream every time a Christian commits a crime? Why do we conclude that whenever a Muslim commits a crime, it is a black spot on each and every Muslim?

Probably because a large part of them preach like Hitler did in the 20s, 30s and 40s? In my personal experience, the muslims here in Europe hate non-muslims (such as Europeans).

Edit: I think Paris on fire (ie. the rioting) speaks for its self. Car burnings and attacks on buildings is normal in France where 10% of their population are foreign or there is any muslim presence.
 

jimmoyer

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FiveParadox, you are a nice guy.

It appears that sensitivity and understanding
are your paths to wisdom.

But change has often come from the screaming
fanatics until we moderates and centrists get it.

This is a paradox, for you FiveParadox.

In addition, the so-called moderates of Muslim
by their very nature of being moderate will do little,
except foist upon nice guys like you this myth
that moderates dominate the entire muslim world.


And Andem, my understanding is that the
foreigners in France because of no Affirmative Action
programs are very much segregated from the
native French, and they comprise more like 20
percent of the population and that 20 percent
is mostly of muslim culture.
 

Curiosity

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The people here are really so kind....

..... and I am not being sarcastic because I marvel that you can still discuss rationale for the behavior of the fanatics as they continue to outrage civilizations across many countries. Beheading, stoning, bombing, old people, children, innocents, it does not matter.

It isn't about cartoons - it would be any excuse for them to strike fear in the hearts of good people. It is what terrorism does.

Good people like the ones writing here, trying to understand.

I have passed that point. I refuse to understand any more and I carry a great weight of rage within because of it.

I hope some day I will be free again to trust but I'll leave it up to those who have far more forgiving within than do I.
 

jimmoyer

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FiveParadox is young and kind, but duped by the
myth that the entire muslim world is
predominantly moderate.

Even the so-call moderates would like nothing better than for a nuclear dirty bomb going off in an American city.

Even the moderates suspect we deserve it.
 

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I agree with most of you guys on the large amount of muslim fanatics who are just out there to cause problems. But some of this has to do with geopolitical balances in todays world and the amount of presure and anger the USA has caused by attacking a muslim nation without just cause. When you look at the last two war's, Afcanistan and Iraq you can see the level of particapation the muslim world took in ending the Taliban's rain of terror in a nation which most nations saw as illegit and helping the terrorists. Iraq was a completely different matter, the USA was the agressor in the war and has turned the geo-political landscape back and could have reignited the ingrown despise of colonalism in the region.

So this just is not a simple, blame the Muslim's or pointing the finger and saying it's all there fault. But as this get's worse I'm not too sure if it can be fixed and when it comes down to it where I'd normally support the Muslim world when I see signs saying "Kill all westerners." or "Kill those who say Islam is violant" and when I see Hamas win a general election, and when you see the moderates defeated in Iran and a conservative president declairing he will get the bomb and that he see's the world as being islamic one day... wow, I end up supporting the american's or the Isreali's in bombing any attempt this guy gets to making the bomb or the spread of millitant islam.
 

jimmoyer

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Finder, I agree with you. My understanding is similar
to yours.

I think this is going to get done on a very primitive
level while the chattering classes pontificate away their
understanding.

And the wise understanding chattering classes will fundamentally
miss a thing about the hell coming at us.

The hell will come because they can do it.

Horrible injustice is done because the perpertrator CAN DO IT.

We do things becasue WE CAN.
 

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I have recently come to the conclusion that we are mistaken to speak about "moderate" Islam like it is some large group that will effect signifiicant change. Islam is a fundementalist religion, any moderates are a tiny minority. With a massive fundementalist majority there is a vast pool to draw extremist from.

I wonder if our liberal values are screwing us? We continue allow extremist fodder into our country, is there any reasonable way to keep a potentially dangerous cult out of your country? I realize this is not politically correct, but I seriously wonder about the future following current trends.
 

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Wow when I first came here this place seem'd to lean to the left a little but recently it seems to have fallen to the right. A lot of what I am hearing recently almost seems to me as boarder line racism.

Anyhow there was once abone a time a very large group of Islamic moderates, but really this group has been discredited by the invasion of Iraq and the actions of the American government.

Remember too even in Iraq, the seculer ruling power was the Ba-athists, and with there destruction and the American's discrediting of them it left a vacum to be filled and who else was there in Iraq? Well there's the Islamic and Shia Islamists who fougth the Ba-athists...
I do not think, Western Socialism, Liberalism or social dmeocracy will take hold in Iraq for a very long time, and really it seems to be on retreat in other nations in the region.

Yeah I'd pretty much say we screwed ourselves a lot in this matter.
 

jimmoyer

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Actually I don't think we screwed ourselves.

This crap has been coming for a long time.

If you recall, the Twin Towers almost came down
a long time ago in 1993 from a garage basement bomb,
long before the toppling of Saddam, and not too long
after we helped Afghanistan rid itself of the Soviet
invasion, and too much before we sided with the Muslims
over the Serbians in Yugoslavia.

In fact that attempt came at President Clinton, who is
predisposed to reaching out to the muslim world.

And so they don't know us.

In fact their understanding is much more obtuse than
our understanding of THEM.

This crap is coming at us no matter what.

In fact it would be coming at us with or without
the Iraq war, with or without us pissing off the Iran plan
for nuclear proliferation.

They want to have their temper tantrum at America
and Denmark ???

They'd have several years rebuilding their own country
by now were it not for the parade of bomb clowns.



I don't think even the most understanding of us if
they got to call the shots will stop them.
 

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Jim, and Wednesday words out of my mouth. I couldn't agree more. I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel on this issue, I do wish more Muslim Women would speak out but of course they would behead if they did. I would love to see a Western Muslim Women's Movement started that would draw world interest on their views and wishes. How do the Women of Islam feel regarding Terrorism.
 

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Freethinker said:
I wonder if our liberal values are screwing us? We continue allow extremist fodder into our country, is there any reasonable way to keep a potentially dangerous cult out of your country? I realize this is not politically correct, but I seriously wonder about the future following current trends.

I wonder about this too, sometimes we must fight political correctness. Muslims who enter Canada should be screened more vigourously, as a means to protect our population. I know its against liberal values to do this, but it is necessary. The last thing we need in Canada is a terrorist attack, or even a large population of radical muslims. Muslims in Canada for the most part (from what I see) are respectable people, its just a few radicals and some idiots on university campuses that make the headlines.
 

Hank C

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I think not said:
* Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.

Thats messed up, I don't think I heard about this before. What wrong with some of these people :x
 

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Re: RE: Muslim Outrage

jimmoyer said:
Actually I suspect it's not just a few idiots or radicals.

I suspect the moderates even think we got it coming.

I was referring to Canada............ but if you talking about the middle east I would agree with you