Invasion of Canada

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Plan Crimson: War on Canada
Secret War Plans and the Malady of American Militarism

By FLOYD RUDMIN

Between the First and Second World Wars--that is, between 1918 and 1939--the United States developed and approved as official national policy three major war plans: a War Plan ORANGE against Japan; a War Plan GREEN against Mexico, and a War Plan RED against the UK. (The most useful source here is R.A. Preston's 1977 book, The Defence of the Undefended Border: Planning for War in North America, 1867-1939.) But there were other war plans as well. Special Plan VIOLET was approved by the Joint Board of the Army and Navy in 1925 for interventions in Latin America and the Caribbean "to forestall action by other countries including the League of Nations." There was a War Plan WHITE initiated in 1920 for suppressing internal insurrection by U.S. citizens, but it was not developed or approved.

These war plans were all declassified in 1974 and (can be purchased from the U.S. National Archives. Germany was color-coded black, but there never was a War Plan BLACK. War Plan RED was the largest of the war plans, the most detailed, the most amended, and the most acted upon. The Plan presumed that a war with the UK would begin by U.S. interference in British Commonwealth commercial trade, "although other proximate causes to war may be alleged". The Plan presumed that the British navy would take the Philippines, Guam, Hawai'i, and the Panama Canal. In exchange for these losses, the U.S.A. would invade and conquer Canada.

Though ostensibly for war against Britain Plan RED is almost devoid of plans to fight the British. The Plan is focused on the conquest of Canada, which was color-coded CRIMSON. The U.S. Army's mission, written in capital letters, was "ULTIMATELY, TO GAIN COMPLETE CONTROL OF CRIMSON." The 1924 draft declared that U.S. "intentions are to hold in perpetuity all CRIMSON and RED territory gained... The Dominion government [of Canada] will be abolished." War Plan RED was approved in May 1930 at the Cabinet level by the Secretary of War and Secretary of Navy. It was not a plan of defense. The U.S.A. would start the war, and even should Canada declare neutrality, it was still to be invaded and occupied.

In December 1930, the US Naval Attaché in Ottawa made an espionage report to the Joint Board on Canada's lack of readiness for war: "In as much as Canada had no idea of trouble with any other country it was not considered necessary to maintain a proper air force." The U.S. focus on invading Canada accelerated during the 1930s. Even as late as 1939, when World War II was beginning and the free world was mobilizing to fight fascism, Preston describes how the U.S. Army War College and the Naval War College had set as their planning priority the task of coordinating land and sea forces for a project entitled, "Overseas Expeditionary Force to Capture Halifax from Red-Crimson Coalition."

For some unexplained reason, The Washington Post and Canada's national newspaper, The Globe and Mail, recently decided to report on War Plan RED. Peter Carlson's Dec. 30, 2005, article in The Washington Post was entitled, "Raiding the Ice Box." Shawn McCarthy's Dec. 31, 2005, article in The Globe and Mail was entitled, "They'd take Halifax (then we'd kill Kenny)." Both articles are written with doses of disbelief, derision, and sometimes giggling or guffaws.

But War Plan RED is certainly not news, nor is the re-re-reporting of re-re-discoveries of War Plan RED. The first news report of the Plan was in 1935, when secret Congressional budgeting for three camouflaged air bases for surprise attacks on Canada, at $19,000,000 each, was mistakenly made public by the government printing office, which published "Air Defense Bases: Hearings before the Committee on Military Affairs, House of Representatives, Seventy-Fourth Congress". This was reported by the New York Times on its front page and re-reported by the Toronto Globe under the headline, "U.S. Disavows Airport Yarn". War Plan RED was re-discovered and re-reported in 1975 by the Reuters wire service, and the Globe and Mail re-re-reported it. It was again re-discovered and re-reported as news in 1991 and again in 2005. History has lessons, but they cannot be learned by re-re-repeated disbelief or by giggling.

If U.S. war plans for the conquest of Canada provoke laughter, that is a comment on those who are laughing, not a comment on the war plans. In its day, War Plan RED was not meant to be funny. The 1928 draft stated that "it should be made quite clear to Canada that in a war she would suffer grievously". The 1930 draft stated that "large parts of CRIMSON territory will become theaters of military operations with consequent suffering to the population and widespread destruction and devastation of the country..." In October 1934, the Secretary of War and Secretary of Navy approved an amendment authorizing the strategic bombing of Halifax, Montreal and Quebec City by "immediate air operations on as large a scale as practicable." A second amendment, also approved at the Cabinet level, directed the U.S. Army, in capital letters, "TO MAKE ALL NECESSARY PREPARATIONS FOR THE USE OF CHEMICAL WARFARE FROM THE OUTBREAK OF WAR. THE USE OF CHEMICAL WARFARE, INCLUDING THE USE OF TOXIC AGENTS, FROM THE INCEPTION OF HOSTILITIES, IS AUTHORIZED..."

The use of poison gas was conceived as an humanitarian action that would cause Canada to quickly surrender and thus save American lives. (Commander Carpender, A. S., & Colonel Krueger, W. (1934), memo to the Joint Board, Oct. 17, 1934, available in U.S. National Archive in documents appended to War Plan RED.)

In March 1935, General Douglas MacArthur proposed an amendment making Vancouver a priority target comparable to Halifax and Montreal. This was approved in May 1935, and in October 1935, his son Douglas MacArthur Jr. began his espionage career as vice-consul in Vancouver. In August 1935, the U.S.A. held its then largest ever peace time military maneuvers, with more than 50,000 troops practicing a motorized invasion of Canada, duly reported in the New York Times by its star military reporter, Hanson Baldwin.

What is the mentality and line of illogic that leads ranking military professionals, executive cabinet officers, and congressmen to plan and prepare war on an ally and good neighbor? Secret border bases? Surprise attacks? Strategic bombing of populated cities? Immediate first use of poison gas? And at the same time they were planning this for Canada, they failed to plan for war against German fascism, a very great threat to America. Clearly, something was wrong in the thinking of many high-level civilian and military decision makers. These war plans warrant proper study, not dismissive derision, if America is ever to understand and control its military impulses.

"The Americans have always been war crazy and they always will be. You will note the chemical warfare that they planned to wage on us. Americas have used many thousands of tons of chemical weapons against helpless civilian targets."
 

Mogz

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Well the U.S. invaded Canada once already and got their asses kicked. We could do it again ;)
 

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Ok
1. The USA during it's early life all the way into the 20th century did believe that it had menifest destiny over north america and had plans for taking Canada, as they saw Canada as an extention of the British empire even when we had our own government.

2. the war of 1812 should have been an easy victory for the American's as the British never really cared that much about Canada. But the American's were too cocky and invaded through the south which gave our troops the advantage of supply. If Quebec or montreal had been taken first the war would have ended fast. But with our supply roots in tact we were able to hold off the American's. The British and American's had many lose's during that war and our one great victory was in holding Canada.

3. With the lessions learned from the war of 1812, I doubt the American's would make the same mistake again and we would be american's now if they had invaded.
 

darkbeaver

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With the lessions learned from the war of 1812, I doubt the American's would make the same mistake again and we would be american's now if they had invaded.

They have learned nothing, the simplest lesson of all escapes them, if you live by the sword you die by the sword.
 

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Finder said:
Ok
1. The USA during it's early life all the way into the 20th century did believe that it had menifest destiny over north america and had plans for taking Canada, as they saw Canada as an extention of the British empire even when we had our own government.

2. the war of 1812 should have been an easy victory for the American's as the British never really cared that much about Canada. But the American's were too cocky and invaded through the south which gave our troops the advantage of supply. If Quebec or montreal had been taken first the war would have ended fast. But with our supply roots in tact we were able to hold off the American's. The British and American's had many lose's during that war and our one great victory was in holding Canada.

3. With the lessions learned from the war of 1812, I doubt the American's would make the same mistake again and we would be american's now if they had invaded.

I don't know. I would argue that the American's had their eyes on our water ways - St. Lawrence, The Great Lakes and the Mississippi.....in the south. :lol:
 

Finder

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If the American's had invaded after the civil war we would be saying the pledge of allegiance now, I have no doubt that with the withdrawal of British forces from Canada around this time we would not have been able to hold back a sizeable and concentrated American invasion nor one which was planned. Hell the Finnian raids were a big deal!
 

Hank C

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Mogz said:
Well the U.S. invaded Canada once already and got their asses kicked. We could do it again ;)

:lol: .....they would pound us to hamburger in a matter of hours.
:lol:
 

Hank C

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Come to think of it Australia...that little country in the middle of no where would probably overpower us :(
 

Mogz

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they would pound us to hamburger in a matter of hours.

That's what they said about Vietnam too.

Come to think of it Australia...that little country in the middle of no where would probably overpower us

The Australian military is far smaller than the Canadian.
 

missile

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I've said this before,but here goes again: America has no reason to invade us..they already have control over everything they need from us,thanx to NAFTA.
 

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Finder said:
Ok
1. The USA during it's early life all the way into the 20th century did believe that it had menifest destiny over north america and had plans for taking Canada, as they saw Canada as an extention of the British empire even when we had our own government.

2. the war of 1812 should have been an easy victory for the American's as the British never really cared that much about Canada. But the American's were too cocky and invaded through the south which gave our troops the advantage of supply. If Quebec or montreal had been taken first the war would have ended fast. But with our supply roots in tact we were able to hold off the American's. The British and American's had many lose's during that war and our one great victory was in holding Canada.

3. With the lessions learned from the war of 1812, I doubt the American's would make the same mistake again and we would be american's now if they had invaded.

If they had, maybe people would be able to read and write. My supply roots are intact, but I'm long out of tact. And my apostrophe's used up.

On the other hand, if the US invaded, the only way they would "win" would be if we all wanted to be Americans; look at the easy time they've had in Vietnam and now Iraq. Sure, the invasion part is easy.
 

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www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mcanadawar.html - 21k

Dear Straight Dope:

I came across something the other day and wondered how much of it was Internet fabrication--namely, a claim that the U.S. had plans to invade Canada (called the "Red army" in the plans) sometime after WW1. First, is this true? Second, if it is true, why? Aside from the War of 1812 and the Fenian revolt in the 1860s, both of which were directed at England, I always thought U.S./Canada relations were pretty friendly. And speaking of the Fenian revolt, how real of a real threat was it? My preliminary research suggests the Fenians didn't manage to amass many troops on the U.S. side of the border, leading me to conclude that they were swatted down pretty easily. --Mister Biggles

SDSTAFF bibliophage replies:

U.S. plans to invade Canada after the First World War? This is one of the most bizarre stories I've come across on the Internet, and the most bizarre part is that it's true. The U.S. military really did develop a "Joint Army and Navy Basic War Plan--Red" in the 1920s and '30s, and it really did include provisions for an invasion of Canada by the United States.

The document was declassified in 1974, so this isn't really a new story, but there has been some hoopla about it lately. Concerns in some quarters notwithstanding, the whole thing was just a theoretical exercise in military planning. The brass would have made better use of their resources planning for a war with Germany, but that wasn't politically expedient. They reasoned that planning for unlikely wars was better than no planning at all. War Plan Red was never intended to be put into action except in the event of a war with the United Kingdom, an eventuality that everyone would agree was highly unlikely after about 1900.

>>>>>continued>>>>>>

Preston's article is in the bibliography of this essay.

No doubt after the declassification in 1974 Preston constructed his book based on these historical records - a time when Canada was ideologically standing as far away from the U.S. as possible, accepting draft dodgers, decrying VietNam, and blossoming as a respected nation of "not" Americans.

Nevertheless, the trade and sharing has continued above the cries of dislike, Americans have come to realize the Canadian shunning is real, and many good thinkers on both sides of the border aim to eventually repair the damage done. How? I have no idea.

My hope is that the reinstatement of cordial friendship and trade can be done without rumor and innuendo against the other side and that truth will eventually prevail - with both sides listening to it.