NYC Muslim Group Warns U.S.

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NYC Muslim Group Warns U.S.: 'Your Days are Numbered'

By Erick Stakelbeck
Washington Terror Analyst

CBN.com – NEW YORK CITY - So far, the violent riots that have erupted throughout the Muslim world over the Mohammed cartoons have not been repeated here in the U.S.

But yesterday in New York City, one radical Islamic group was preaching a message that is anything but peaceful.

It wasn't Pakistan or Gaza. It was Manhattan's east side.The group calls itself the Islamic Thinker's Society—ITS, for short. The purpose of the demonstration was to condemn the now infamous cartoons.

But there was another message as well: that Islam will one day dominate the world.

One ITS member said, “We are here to tell you that there is nothing you can do--and that your days are numbered...all of you who disbelieve: speak good, or Allah will silence you.”

The protest began in front of the Danish Consulate. ITS members stomped on Danish flags and warned Denmark that it would suffer "Allah's wrath." The group then moved to the German Consulate, where they trampled on German and Israeli flags--and called non-Muslims "scum."

All of this took place under the watchful eye of the NYPD. Onlookers we spoke to were outraged.

“Some people have evolved and matured and become civilized human beings, but they obviously haven't. And unfortunately we're supporting them and protecting them, too,” One NYC resident said.

Members of the ITS declined to be interviewed for this story. But off-camera, their leader told CBN News that the group consists of mostly college students who live in New York City.

The Internet journal Worldnetdaily.com has reported that ITS is linked to al-Muhajiroun, a notorious British Islamist group that disbanded in 2004.

That group's former leader--Abu Hamza al-Masri--was convicted in a British court earlier this month of incitement to murder, among other offenses. ITS members deny any connection to al-Muhajiroun, but the black flag flown at ITS rallies--and its goal of a worldwide Islamic state--are identical to those of al-Muhajiroun.

Although this event lacked the violence that has been so prevalent in cartoon protests throughout the Muslim world, the message was eerily similar: America and Europe, your days are numbered.
 
sanch
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And as they seek global domination and wipe out the infidels we are supposed to stay silent and respect the integrity of their war like god. What a crock of sh_t.
 
neallo
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i will be dead before i convert to islam
 
zoofer
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No more immigration.
Why speedup the end?
 
Hank C
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Muslim immigration should not be outright halted, but in the interest of security they should be more heavily screened than other immigrants. Sad as most are peaceful, but Canada needs to protect its citizens first and foremost.

If this ever happend in Calgary.... lets just say I would make it my business to be there
 
tracy
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Quote: Originally Posted by sanch

And as they seek global domination and wipe out the infidels we are supposed to stay silent and respect the integrity of their war like god. What a crock of sh_t.

Their god is the same god that christians and jews worship. These wierdos sound a little like the Jerry Falwells of the world. Remember why New Orleans was flooded? It was the wrath of god...
 
Sassylassie
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Hell, I am going to go dust off my Bible and read the passages that discribe the end of the world so I can be ready for the end. I'm not kidding, the Muslims are really starting to scare me. Don't they know that the only survivors will be JWs, well that is what they tell me when they come to the door to try and save my soul.
 
Mogz
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A few well placed nuclear warheads right smack in the middle of turban town....did I say that outloud?
 
MMMike
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Quote: Originally Posted by tracy

Quote: Originally Posted by sanch

And as they seek global domination and wipe out the infidels we are supposed to stay silent and respect the integrity of their war like god. What a crock of sh_t.

Their god is the same god that christians and jews worship. These wierdos sound a little like the Jerry Falwells of the world. Remember why New Orleans was flooded? It was the wrath of god...

That's funny Tracy. I somehow missed the news reports of Christians burning down embassies and calling for the destruction of the Muslims. I also missed the reports of roving gangs of Christians beating Muslims to death, or dousing them in gasoline and setting them on fire:

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Nigerian Muslims burn Christian churches; 15 killed
Associated Press

Nigerian Muslims protesting against caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad attacked Christians and burned churches Saturday, killing at least 15 people in the deadliest confrontation yet in the whirlwind of Muslim anger over the drawings.

It was the first major protest to erupt over the issue in Africa's most-populous country. Mobs of Muslim protesters swarmed through the city centre of Maiduguri with machetes, sticks and iron rods. One group threw a tire around a man, poured gas on him and set him ablaze.

In Libya, the legislature suspended the interior minister after at least 11 people died when his security forces attacked rioters who torched the Italian consulate in Benghazi.

Right-wing Italian Reforms Minister Roberto Calderoli resigned under pressure, accused of fuelling the fury in Benghazi by wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with one of the offending cartoons, first published in September in a Danish newspaper.

Danish church officials met with a top Muslim cleric in Egypt, meanwhile, but made no significant headway in defusing the conflict.

And in what has become a daily event, tens of thousands of Muslims protested — this time in Britain, Pakistan and Austria — to denounce the perceived insult.

But it was in Nigeria, where mutual suspicions between Christians and Muslims have led to thousands of deaths in recent years, that tensions boiled over into sectarian violence.

Thousands of rioters burned 15 churches in Maiduguri in a three-hour rampage before troops and police reinforcements restored order, Nigerian police spokesman Haz Iwendi said. Iwendi said security forces arrested dozens of people in the city about 1,600 kilometres northeast of Lagos.

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Keep telling yourself that this is the work of a small group of extremists...
 
Finder
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Well Islam like Christianity has inside it's holy book that converting people to Islam is important and I would even say some may even read some passages that the world should be dominated by Islam. Christianity was like this in middle ages with Crusader Popes and armies being sent to the Middle East. Though the west didn't give up on dominating the Middle East after the middle ages with the on set of enlightenment the reasoning behind dominating the middle east change more into a legitimacy of Social Darwinism of the time's. Anyhow, that’s really going into another argument, I would have to say because of the enlighten and the weakening of the celestial order over that of temporal and the age of reasoning and the scientific revolution backing up these new philosophies and the industrial revolution making it possible for the "lower classes" to get educated in the philosophies at least to an extent, as well as the Spread of Liberalism in the upper classes and socialism in that of the lower classes helped remove the fanaticism from Christianity.

The Islamic world did not go though the same process as Western Europe, and even though in the middle ages the Middle East started off ahead of Europe in each of these camps by the 20th century it was fare behind. What needs to happen is a revolution of reasoning in the Middle East. I would argue for this to happen we can't be bombing them or exploiting them or anything else, which may bring further (nationalistic like) devotion to Islamic texts.

Now unlike some of you I do believe there is a pretty large Liberal, Socialist and Social democratic population in the Middle East but with the actions of the USA and a few other nations, have helped to discredit these people and the movements and bolster the conservative forces at work.
 
Finder
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http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories


But yeah it would seem as if the conservative forces right now in the Islamic world are at the boiling point, we can only hope this situation get's defused. If it doesn't....
 
unclepercy
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Quote: Originally Posted by zoofer

No more immigration.
Why speedup the end?

You're so tactful, Zoof. Why doesn't the word, "deportation" come to mind? It does to me.

Uncle
 
unclepercy
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Quote: Originally Posted by tracy

Quote: Originally Posted by sanch

And as they seek global domination and wipe out the infidels we are supposed to stay silent and respect the integrity of their war like god. What a crock of sh_t.

Their god is the same god that christians and jews worship. These wierdos sound a little like the Jerry Falwells of the world. Remember why New Orleans was flooded? It was the wrath of god...

Oh, my God, you mean Jesus' middle name is Allah? I never knew that.

Uncle
 
darkbeaver
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"Washington Terror Analyst"

WHAT A JOKE!
 
I think not
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Quote: Originally Posted by Mogz

A few well placed nuclear warheads right smack in the middle of turban town....did I say that outloud?

Yes you did and I heard it. Let them try something stupid again and they'll have more glass on their hands than they know what to do with.
 
Doryman
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Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Quote: Originally Posted by Mogz

A few well placed nuclear warheads right smack in the middle of turban town....did I say that outloud?

Yes you did and I heard it. Let them try something stupid again and they'll have more glass on their hands than they know what to do with.

Sigh...

Well this goes and does it. I can no longer bring myself to say "Islam is a respectable and peaceful religion, but..." when I speak of world events and terrorist activities. It obviously isn't. I know I'm going to be flamed and reminded of the terrible acts of Jews and Christians, and I acknowledge that they have happened and continue to happen. But really, they haven't been to this scale.

Islam obviously IS a problem religion. The culture and it's adherents continue to prove themselves to be violent demagogues who plan world domination and genocide, and who are skilled enough in using the media to convince us that, in pointing out their faults, we are committing ne0-fascist hate crimes!

Enough is enough. Start deporting Muslims who advocate the downfall of the society they live in.
 
I think not
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Until that speech becomes action there is nothing we can do about it.
 
Jersay
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Quote:

Islam obviously IS a problem religion. The culture and it's adherents continue to prove themselves to be violent demagogues who plan world domination and genocide, and who are skilled enough in using the media to convince us that, in pointing out their faults, we are committing ne0-fascist hate crimes!

Enough is enough. Start deporting Muslims who advocate the downfall of the society they live in.

I want to overchange the society we live in, through go ways so everyone listens to me, but I am not Muslim.

Viva La Revolution
 
FiveParadox
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I am shocked and quite simply appalled at some of the arguments being made here today. Are there seriously people here on Canadian Content who would honestly suggest deportation en masse as a solution to this issue?

I would argue that we are lowering ourselves to a level below those of extremists, by suggesting that our nations should, for some reason or other, become effectively Muslim-free (granted, many of you are referring exclusively to extremist Islamic citizens — however, there are those here who are expressing far more extremist sentiments, paramount to the incitement of hatred).

I am ashamed, as a human, that it has come to this.
 
Jersay
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Agreed totally with you.

Extremist Muslims, barely several thousand and at the most several hundred thousand, at very most.

You are talking about a religion that has 1 billion + people. About 99.99% of them peaceful.

And to reject them to come to your country and kick out the ones in your country. You would be going back 400 years, and you would be worse, worse then the extremists that control the media attention now adays.

Sad, and sickening. Just like what the German and European people were saying about the Jews before the Holocaust.
 
Doryman
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Y'know, once upon a time I may have agreed with some of this. But I see no problem in deporting extremists who argue that our society should be destroyed. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but I'm really coming to believe it.

Similarly, I cannot truly believe that Muslim countries and their culture are mostly peaceful, with a few bad apples. It's starting to seem like it's the other way around.

To reiterate, I see nothing wrong with deporting those who have violent, extremist tendencies, or barring entry to those with ties to violent, extremist groups.
 
Jay
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Quote: Originally Posted by Doryman


To reiterate, I see nothing wrong with deporting those who have violent, extremist tendencies, or barring entry to those with ties to violent, extremist groups.

Some people would leave us at the mercy of our enemies.
 
FiveParadox
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Jay, perhaps you have missed the point of some of these arguments; Muslims, as a whole, are not our enemies. Take this for example: I do not care if, say, ninety-eight percent of Christians are Hell-bent on the destruction of Canada (theoretically speaking); if I have a Christian friend, and they, individually, are not extremist, then they should not be deported and to threaten otherwise is unacceptable.

For greater certainty, I mean to say that individual extremists should be deported on an individual basis; we cannot, and should not, be deporting anyone en masse or "clumped together."
 
Jersay
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Quote:

Y'know, once upon a time I may have agreed with some of this. But I see no problem in deporting extremists who argue that our society should be destroyed. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but I'm really coming to believe it.

Similarly, I cannot truly believe that Muslim countries and their culture are mostly peaceful, with a few bad apples. It's starting to seem like it's the other way around.

To reiterate, I see nothing wrong with deporting those who have violent, extremist tendencies, or barring entry to those with ties to violent, extremist groups.

There are just as many Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Buddist, and other extremists that are just as bad. The most deadly attack on a Canadian interest was by Sikh terrorists. So you should be willing to deport all of the other peoples as well, because they have extremist in their population as well. So you will have no one left.

Leave us at our enemies. Our enemies are peaceful people in Canada protesting peacefully. I guess they deserve to go back to a country they fled from. Yeah right
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

Jay, perhaps you have missed the point of some of these arguments; Muslims, as a whole, are not our enemies. Take this for example: I do not care if, say, ninety-eight percent of Christians are Hell-bent on the destruction of Canada (theoretically speaking); if I have a Christian friend, and they, individually, are not extremist, then they should not be deported and to threaten otherwise is unacceptable.

For greater certainty, I mean to say that individual extremists should be deported on an individual basis; we cannot, and should not, be deporting anyone en masse or "clumped together."

The comments from the NYC muslim group would be considered hate speech in Canada, advocating the destruction of the US, how would you go about addressing this issue? Just curious.
 
Jersay
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Quote:

The comments from the NYC muslim group would be considered hate speech in Canada, advocating the destruction of the US, how would you go about addressing this issue? Just curious.

Case to Case basis.

Depending on prison terms for some, and maybe deportion for others. And maybe even the dismissal if the member was only there to say, yeah I joined the organization but never went except for once.
 
FiveParadox
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I think not, if such a thing were to have taken place in Canada, and I were to believe that they had advocated the genocide of a people, then I would have pressed charges under Section 318(1) of the Criminal Code of Canada ("Advocating genocide").

Quote: Originally Posted by Section 318(1) of the Criminal Code of Canada

318. (1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.

Click -- to view the entire Act.

I would push for the Crown to seek sentences of up to five years for the leaders of the group, in particular; lesser sentences could be handed out at the discretion of the Justice-in-question to others involved in any such advocating protests.

I am not sure if there is any sort of parallel law that could apply in the United States.

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In addition, I would be in favour of orders for deportation for the most extreme members of such groups — however, only where the Government of Canada and the Justices of whatever Court is being exercised were able to ascertain that such action is necessary in the interest of the security of the country.
 
Doryman
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jersay

Quote:

Y'know, once upon a time I may have agreed with some of this. But I see no problem in deporting extremists who argue that our society should be destroyed. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but I'm really coming to believe it.

Similarly, I cannot truly believe that Muslim countries and their culture are mostly peaceful, with a few bad apples. It's starting to seem like it's the other way around.

To reiterate, I see nothing wrong with deporting those who have violent, extremist tendencies, or barring entry to those with ties to violent, extremist groups.

There are just as many Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Buddist, and other extremists that are just as bad. The most deadly attack on a Canadian interest was by Sikh terrorists. So you should be willing to deport all of the other peoples as well, because they have extremist in their population as well. So you will have no one left.

I wasn't specifically arguing that you should bar entire populations, but I see nothing wrong in barring or deporting people with ties to extremist groups. i;e Khadr's. To my mind, families that donate money to Al-Qaeda, and send their children to Terrorist trainiing camps shouldn't be allowed in.

And yes, there are thousands of Christian, Buddhist, Sikh, Jewish, Hindu, Libertarian, KKK, Marxist, Ugly Peoples Anonymous, Romper Room Allied Front, etc. people out there who are dangerous extremists. They should be banned/deported as well. If one of your lifes goals is to destroy the state you live in, the state should not have to merrily sit by and watch you do it.

Just out of interest, though, is there anywhere in Canadian law that states that Canada is required to take in immigrants, or that it is not allowed to refuse entry.
 
Finder
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Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

I think not, if such a thing were to have taken place in Canada, and I were to believe that they had advocated the genocide of a people, then I would have pressed charges under Section 318(1) of the Criminal Code of Canada ("Advocating genocide").
Quote: Originally Posted by Section 318(1) of the Criminal Code of Canada318. (1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.
Click here to view the entire Act.I would push for the Crown to seek sentences of up to five years for the leaders of the group, in particular; lesser sentences could be handed out at the discretion of the Justice-in-question to others involved in any such advocating protests.
I am not sure if there is any sort of parallel law that could apply in the United States.
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Jay
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Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

Jay, perhaps you have missed the point of some of these arguments;

No, I think your missing the point.....


I haven't read a single post in here suggesting Muslims being deported "en masse". I read, stop migration, expel extremists...but not round up into camps and onto boats. Your making that part up.
 
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