New Abu Gharib Images

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An Australian TV channel has broadcast previously unpublished images showing apparent US abuse of prisoners in Iraq's Abu Ghraib jail in 2003.
The images on SBS TV are thought to be from the same source as those that caused an outcry around the world and led to several US troops being jailed.

The new images show "homicide, torture and sexual humiliation", SBS said.

The US has said the images could only "incite unnecessary violence" and endanger US military personnel.

The broadcast of the images comes at a time of increased tension between Muslim nations and the West over cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad.

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One of the videos broadcast on the SBS programme Dateline on Wednesday appears to show prisoners being forced to masturbate for the camera.




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Other video footage appears to show a prisoner hitting his head against a wall.

The channel said he was a mentally disturbed patient who became a plaything of guards who practised ways of restraining him.

Some photos are said to show corpses. There are also images of prisoners with body and head wounds.

Some of the pictures have now been re-broadcast on US networks and on Arab satellite channels al-Arabiya and al-Jazeera.

SBS journalist Olivia Rousset told the BBC one of them showed a senior Iraqi officer being treated for a throat wound received after he resisted being transferred within the camp.

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Some of the new photos showed soldiers who have already been convicted for their part in the abuse, including Lynndie England and Charles Graner, the man prosecutors said was the ringleader in the scandal.

A number are versions of the photographs that caused outrage when they were initially leaked in April 2004, including the prisoner wearing a hood and hooked to wires.

SBS also said it had received reports that some prisoners were killed when US soldiers ran out of rubber bullets during a prison riot and started using live rounds instead.

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US defence department spokesman Bryan Whitman said the images "could only further inflame and possibly incite unnecessary violence in the world".

He said: "[The images] would endanger our military men and women that are serving around the world."

ABU GHRAIB SCANDAL TIMELINE
28 Apr 04: CBS shows images from 2003 of inmates being subjected to abuses by US soldiers
30 Apr 04: Six US soldiers are charged. Three more are charged later.
6 May 04: President Bush apologises for abuse
19 May 04: First soldier to be court-martialled in this case is sentenced to jail. More convictions will follow
21 Jul 05: Government files court papers to try to stop more images of abuse being made public
29 Sept 05: Judge rules 87 unseen pictures of Iraqi inmates abused by US troops should be released
15 Feb 06: Australia's SBS TV broadcasts previously unpublished images

The department says none of the 12 major reviews since the Abu Ghraib scandal broke had shown the department sanctioning or encouraging abuse.

Analysts say the reaction in the Muslim world may depend on how widely the images are shown. In Iraq, the emergence of the images come amid tension caused by the release of a video appearing to show UK troops beating Iraqi civilians.

The BBC's Jon Brain in Baghdad says al-Arabiya is broadcasting half a dozen of the new Abu Ghraib images, though it has refrained from showing the most shocking.

The images are part of a group of more than 100 photographs and four videos taken at Abu Ghraib and later handed to the US army's Criminal Investigations Division.

In September a New York judge ruled in favour of a request from the American Civil Liberties Union for the pictures to be released.

The judge rejected the government's arguments that publication could fuel anti-US feelings. The Dateline programme says the government is appealing against the decision.

US President George W Bush has said the Abu Ghraib abuse was a "disgrace".

Nine junior soldiers have been convicted - some are serving jail sentences. All senior US commanders were cleared except the commander in charge of Abu Ghraib at the time, Janis Karpinski, who was reduced in rank from general to colonel.

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So you say Muslims are intolerent.

This is disqusting. This has something to do with American military structure or something. I hope they protest over this, I hope they rise up.
 

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Muslims as a collective whole are intolerent, extremely. However i'll be the first to admit the whole Abu Gharib issue disgusts me. I don't care what the person's religion is, what they do for a living, what side of a war they were on, no one deserves to be treated like that. I however will not cast blame on the entire U.S. military. There are some excellent U.S. soldiers that would never stand for this abuse, and to lump them in with these pigs does them a disservice.

P.S. It has nothing to do with the U.S. military structure. At best it is at the administravtive level for the Prison. A small entity in the millions of men and women serving in U.S. uniform.
 

Mogz

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There has been abuse in every POW camp dating back for decades. Intolerant people exist in every culture and sadly some end up in the military. Intolerance is something you can't screen for, it's just not possible. however abuse is a widely used term in the news these days. People have even gone as far as refering to the U.S. Marines' attempts to force-feed detainees in Guantanamo Bay as being abuse. I hardly classify promoting the existence of another human being as abuse. Granted their methods were forceful, but is there really a non-forceful way to get someone to eat?
 

Jersay

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There has been abuse in every POW camp dating back for decades. Intolerant people exist in every culture and sadly some end up in the military. Intolerance is something you can't screen for, it's just not possible. however abuse is a widely used term in the news these days. People have even gone as far as refering to the U.S. Marines' attempts to force-feed detainees in Guantanamo Bay as being abuse. I hardly classify promoting the existence of another human being as abuse. Granted their methods were forceful, but is there really a non-forceful way to get someone to eat?

Well that's siily trying to force-feed people who would die otherwise and call it abuse. But it seems to be some kind of ideology that it is okay, unless you are caught and then blame it on the soldiers.
 

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Re: RE: New Abu Gharib Images

Mogz said:
P.S. It has nothing to do with the U.S. military structure. At best it is at the administravtive level for the Prison. A small entity in the millions of men and women serving in U.S. uniform.

I remember in Vietnam many bragging about abuse and torture of prisoners. Perhaps they were only trying to impress me (didn't work) since I was only a clerk. That was a long time ago and I hope the mentality has changed since then.
 

FiveParadox

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Just as I would think that having some intolerant Muslims on this world should not cast shame on the entire faith, so too would I assert that this incident should not cast shame on the entire Armed Forces of the United States.

I am confident that this is an isolated and uncommon occurrence and, while I would be an advocate for the punishment of the offending personnel on the basis of highly inappropriate conduct, and possible violations of statutes and human rights conventions, we should not hold the entire Armed Forces to blame.