#1Feb 2nd, 2006
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#3
Re: North Corea turns 60...
Feb 2nd, 2006
It's interresting to see that despite the apparent victory of capitalism, communism is still well alive and doing farely well for itself (think china).
I wonder if we are eventually going to see a new spread of communism due to the new apparent sucess it may have (in its neo semi-capitalist chinese adaptation) and the influence of china and n. korea. (like the soviets did)
I wonder if we are eventually going to see a new spread of communism due to the new apparent sucess it may have (in its neo semi-capitalist chinese adaptation) and the influence of china and n. korea. (like the soviets did)
#4
Re: North Corea turns 60...
Feb 2nd, 2006Quote:
Could be, could be.It's interresting to see that despite the apparent victory of capitalism, communism is still well alive and doing farely well for itself (think china).
I wonder if we are eventually going to see a new spread of communism due to the new apparent sucess it may have (in its neo semi-capitalist chinese adaptation) and the influence of china and n. korea. (like the soviets did)
#5
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Feb 2nd, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Huck
Actually, I am not at all worried about the Chinese - them folks seems to do just FINE in a capitalist system (my experience tells me they start business and work there ass off?)It's interresting to see that despite the apparent victory of capitalism, communism is still well alive and doing farely well for itself (think china).
I wonder if we are eventually going to see a new spread of communism due to the new apparent sucess it may have (in its neo semi-capitalist chinese adaptation) and the influence of china and n. korea. (like the soviets did)
When North Corea falls South Corea will suddenly bee in need for the worlds biggest kinder garden... Thats sad - but not dangerous.
I think the danger lies in the european welfaresystem, built up by great loans between generations - I for instance donīt want to pay for the huge swedish party 1960-1990, since there will be no more party 2010-2040... I see the reaction already, 20% of all swedish women age 20-40 votes commie... Now THATīS scary!
#6
RE: North Korea turns 60...
Feb 2nd, 2006
If the headlines constantly detailed sickness and poverty and police state sickness of North Korea daily, you'd
see a lot more concern.
Out of sight.
Out of mind.
see a lot more concern.
Out of sight.
Out of mind.
#7
Re: North Korea turns 60...
Feb 2nd, 2006
jimmoyer
Do you think North Korea oppses an actual threat to the world - or at least to the neighbors - South Corea, China, Russia or Japan?
North Korea might have some superficial friends, wanting to oppose world police US a little bit - but only as far as they keep their nose clean - and keep quiet.
Invading China is not likely, neither is Russia even though they could certainly make alot of damage. Japan? Wouldīnt think so, North Korea donīt have a amphibius strenght to do that. South Korea it is... The problem is that they tried that before and got slapped rather hard by UN (mostly US), wonīt happen.
North Korea opposes no threat against others than their own citizens.
Communist Cuba will die with Castro, but North Korea might actually survive Kim Jong Il, the population of North Korea seems extremely suppressed, handled with as children.
Do you think North Korea oppses an actual threat to the world - or at least to the neighbors - South Corea, China, Russia or Japan?
North Korea might have some superficial friends, wanting to oppose world police US a little bit - but only as far as they keep their nose clean - and keep quiet.
Invading China is not likely, neither is Russia even though they could certainly make alot of damage. Japan? Wouldīnt think so, North Korea donīt have a amphibius strenght to do that. South Korea it is... The problem is that they tried that before and got slapped rather hard by UN (mostly US), wonīt happen.
North Korea opposes no threat against others than their own citizens.
Communist Cuba will die with Castro, but North Korea might actually survive Kim Jong Il, the population of North Korea seems extremely suppressed, handled with as children.
#8
RE: North Korea turns 60...
Feb 2nd, 2006
North Korea opposes no threat against others than their own citizens.
-------------------------------Thulin--------------------
It amazes me that these insulated dictatorships are
assumed to pose no threat to stability in the world,
or in their area.
Failed State Theory says that problems fester
and eventually there is a fallout in more ways than one.
The chief export of North Korea is nuclear weapon
know-how to individuals and fellow states interested
in sponsoring terrorism.
Like I say, out of sight, out of mind.
I understand you very well, but I wonder if your
complacency is a solid gamble.
-------------------------------Thulin--------------------
It amazes me that these insulated dictatorships are
assumed to pose no threat to stability in the world,
or in their area.
Failed State Theory says that problems fester
and eventually there is a fallout in more ways than one.
The chief export of North Korea is nuclear weapon
know-how to individuals and fellow states interested
in sponsoring terrorism.
Like I say, out of sight, out of mind.
I understand you very well, but I wonder if your
complacency is a solid gamble.
#9
Re: RE: North Korea turns 60...
Feb 2nd, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by jimmoyer
A couple of years back I heard the same thing about biological and chemical weapons in another part of "the axis of evil" and to be honest - I think that one lacked good intel.The chief export of North Korea is nuclear weapon know-how to individuals and fellow states interested
in sponsoring terrorism.
How about this one?
#10
RE: North Korea turns 60...
Feb 2nd, 2006
Let's continue your analogy, when the boy cried WOLF,
what happened to that boy ?
what happened to that boy ?
#11
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Feb 2nd, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by thulin
Sad, but impressive. Take a look at the --.
Sound on (cool music), and have some patience - server in Sweden
wow,,,
This is what communist propaganda is all about,,
It's really hard to understand what they were singing about but I manged to pick some main key lyric. Here we go,,,,,"Without Kim Jong IL there is no country" and "Our faith is upon Kim Jong IL".. Interesting,,,
I'm not sure if anyone noticed this all the militant dudes are all incredibly unfit and skinny except the fat ass high ranking officials....
#12
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Feb 2nd, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Jersay
Why?!?! 60 years.
You go you little commies.
Go for another 60.
#13
Re: North Korea turns 60...
Feb 2nd, 2006
So the U.S has someone to fight against.
If China, Iran, Korea, and Cuba went who would there be left.
If China, Iran, Korea, and Cuba went who would there be left.
#15
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Feb 2nd, 2006Quote:
Ah comeon, you need a sense of humor.Great logic there Jersay.
Besides, if their was no one to fight, the U.S would go back to its idea of Manifest Destiny.
All these wars keep the American fighting machine preoccupied.
#16
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Feb 2nd, 2006
I have a better idea, we sit this one out and you guys handle it.
#19
RE: North Korea turns 60...
Feb 2nd, 2006
So how far do you think the N Korean troops would get into mainland BC before the Americans had to step in and stop them?
#21
Re: North Korea turns 60...
Feb 2nd, 2006
hmm... i guess some of you haven't read any first hand accounts of many north korean citizens who have fled their native country because of the brutality and famine that happens there.
#22
Re: North Korea turns 60...
Feb 2nd, 2006
Caused by the government stockpiling the food so they grow nice and plump.
But I guess you didn't hear about the malnutrition going on in raq because of American forces waging war there.
You see you can always change things around to fit your view point.
But I guess you didn't hear about the malnutrition going on in raq because of American forces waging war there.
You see you can always change things around to fit your view point.
#23
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Feb 2nd, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Jay
all the way to the nearest department of immigration and a nturalization office So how far do you think the N Korean troops would get into mainland BC before the Americans had to step in and stop them?
but seriously doubt they'd go farther than the coastline.
#24
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Feb 3rd, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Jersay
Which loses ones credibility in the process for not being able to see anything beyond that viewpoint.Caused by the government stockpiling the food so they grow nice and plump.
But I guess you didn't hear about the malnutrition going on in raq because of American forces waging war there.
You see you can always change things around to fit your view point.
Communism has killed 100 million people, let's give it another chance, shall we?
#25
RE: North Korea turns 60...
Feb 3rd, 2006
Communism is enemy #1 to the people.
America said give me your poor huddled masses, and she made something of them. Communism said you are my huddled masses, and killed them.
Anyone who promotes communism I immediately assume is naive, if they insist on it, I think they are completely dangerous.
America said give me your poor huddled masses, and she made something of them. Communism said you are my huddled masses, and killed them.
Anyone who promotes communism I immediately assume is naive, if they insist on it, I think they are completely dangerous.
#26
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Feb 3rd, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by nitzomoe
Quote: Originally Posted by Jayall the way to the nearest department of immigration and a nturalization officeSo how far do you think the N Korean troops would get into mainland BC before the Americans had to step in and stop them?
Quote: Originally Posted by nitzomoe
but seriously doubt they'd go farther than the coastline.
They shouldn't be getting on the boats because we should be breaching their shores.
I wish I didn't have ammunition to slag the Canadian Army, and I hope and pray Harper is going to remedy that.
#27
Re: North Korea turns 60...
Feb 3rd, 2006
I had gotten an offer to go to North Korea in the Summer of 2003 I think it was if I remember correctly. There was an Asian Esperanto Congress organised in the Chinese Autonomous Region of Yanbian, right on the border with North Korea. The regional government had established an agreement with the North Korean government to allow all the participants of the congress to take part in a guided tour (I believe it was a day trip only if I remember that one correctly, but maybe a few days, I can;t remember that detail) across the border.
Anyway, that was about the time that the nuclear crisis had started and, considering that it was an Asian congress, few Arabs speak Esperanto and, while many Persians do, Iran is also a little poorer than Japan and South Korea, and also further, so I concluded that there ws a high probability that all the participants would be yellow, with me, the white man, symbol of the evil US trying to bully North Korea out of nuclear weapons, sticking out like a sore thumb!
Of course, in order to maintain good relations with their gigantic neighbour, I sincerely believe that had I participated, and of course stayed with the group and had the proper documents (which I could have obtained very easily, and would certainly never risk straying away from a guided group if it's clear that the North Korean government itself organised it with the intent that we stay with the group), they would have found it wise to leave me alone. But in the end, I decided not to go just in case. In some ways I was more worried that the US would do something stupid while I might be there! Who knows, even then I'm guessing they would have left me alone as long as I stayed with the group, but I still didn't want to take the risk.
too bad, missed opportunity. Oh well, maybe I'll have such a chance again, now that I live in the very province in which Yanbian is located!
Anyway, that was about the time that the nuclear crisis had started and, considering that it was an Asian congress, few Arabs speak Esperanto and, while many Persians do, Iran is also a little poorer than Japan and South Korea, and also further, so I concluded that there ws a high probability that all the participants would be yellow, with me, the white man, symbol of the evil US trying to bully North Korea out of nuclear weapons, sticking out like a sore thumb!
Of course, in order to maintain good relations with their gigantic neighbour, I sincerely believe that had I participated, and of course stayed with the group and had the proper documents (which I could have obtained very easily, and would certainly never risk straying away from a guided group if it's clear that the North Korean government itself organised it with the intent that we stay with the group), they would have found it wise to leave me alone. But in the end, I decided not to go just in case. In some ways I was more worried that the US would do something stupid while I might be there! Who knows, even then I'm guessing they would have left me alone as long as I stayed with the group, but I still didn't want to take the risk.
too bad, missed opportunity. Oh well, maybe I'll have such a chance again, now that I live in the very province in which Yanbian is located!
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Feb 3rd, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Jay
If that wasn't true it would be funny.America said give me your poor huddled masses, and she made something of them. Communism said you are my huddled masses, and killed them.
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Feb 3rd, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by yballa09
Interesting. That's actually a concern here. On the one hand, the PRC and North Korea are officially allies. On the other, the PRC seems to be a little embarrassed about this to say the least. Even the PRC looks upon North Korea to be extremist, and is also concerned about stability in that country; after all, should the North Korean government collapse, who's gonna take the brunt of the refugees?hmm... i guess some of you haven't read any first hand accounts of many north korean citizens who have fled their native country because of the brutality and famine that happens there.
The PRC really deosn't want that headache. There is an underground DPRK regufee network already (If I'm not mistaken, it goes from Northern North Korea through Yanbian (that's a PRC Autonomous region, many of whose inhabitants are of the same Korean ethnic group and can speak Korean). From there, some Chinese koreans help them through China to South Korea though the port cities of Dalian or Qingdao.
Another scenario, especially among the women, is that they marry with any Chinese, especially peasents. Since they are in the country illegally, it might cause problems should they marry someone in the wealthier cities where the administrative structure is well established. In the countryside, there is a higher possibility of the government never finding out. Although Chinese peasants are poor by Chinese standards on the whole, they are still wealthier than their North Korean counterparts by far. Should teh PRC government catch them, the policy has always been to send them back to the DPRK. Historically the DPRK government killed them as an example. Now it doesn't anymore for various reasons, one being diplomatic pressure, the other being the increase of Koreans escaping and getting caught; killing a few might set an example, but killing many might set the stage fro revolt!
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