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North Korea turns 60...

North Korea turns 60...

Huck

#31

Re: North Korea turns 60...

Feb 3rd, 2006

Machjo, this is slightly off topic, but i was wondering: are you currently reading this forum from china?

if so, i believe china has a national firewall and censors access to politically sensitive web sites (i.e. the CBC i heard). I am therefore supprised that you can gain access to this very web site, where political discussions abound and where questioning of governenment actions such as PRC and PRK communism may be questioned. Isn't this type of web site exactly what the PRC government doesn't want you to see?

thanks for answering, and in any case, its great to have you among us..

Machjo

#32

Re: North Korea turns 60...

Feb 3rd, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Huck

Machjo, this is slightly off topic, but i was wondering: are you currently reading this forum from china?

if so, i believe china has a national firewall and censors access to politically sensitive web sites (i.e. the CBC i heard). I am therefore supprised that you can gain access to this very web site, where political discussions abound and where questioning of governenment actions such as PRC and PRK communism may be questioned. Isn't this type of web site exactly what the PRC government doesn't want you to see?

thanks for answering, and in any case, its great to have you among us..

Feel free to read what I wrote at:

http://www.canadiancontent.net/forum...11122&start=15

Only the most sensitive stuff gets sensored usually, although it can be arbitrary sometimes. Very political site, I can understand, but then sometimes it seems almost aribtrary. Who knows. But generally speaking, China is opening up. Even the English websites are slowly becomming less censored. But websites in less spoken languages are even less sensored.

Machjo

#33

RE: North Korea turns 60...

Feb 3rd, 2006

Oh, and one more thing. You can't sensor what you can't read. Few Chinese really learn English well, and they go private sector where the salary's better. So I'm sure that China's sensorship mecahnisim is short of qualified language personnel. Still have to be careful of course (I would dare start sending e-mails planning the overthrow of any government for instance), but for petty things such as what we see in Canadiancontent, no prob.

Huck

#34

Re: North Korea turns 60...

Feb 3rd, 2006

Thanks for the info. I thought this was VERY instructive. I must admit i overestimated the censorship in china, i thought most web sites were removed except for the teletubbies and the kids network. (if you see what i mean). But, come to think of it, its really hard to filter the internet, ther is so much content and so many possible interpretations.

Can you read about Ty@n@mi_nn sq_@_r-e in? (mispelled it on purpose to ensure you get to see it

)

In anycase, lets hope china will keep opening up.

Machjo

#35

RE: North Korea turns 60...

Feb 3rd, 2006

I'd just typed a long and detailed response, but gforgot to log in, so it was all eraced. So I'll just give a brief answer this time.

I'd fogotten about Tian'anmen, so thanks for reminding me.

In Chinese and English, all the sensitive info is sensored. In French, some is sensored. In Esperanto, not sensored, but the info is limited (which thus makes it about equal to French in terms of accessible information). But I'd suspect that, sinse many students, should they choose to study a foreign language other than English, choose French, that French is probably a at least little more sensored than other smaller languages in the world. But I can't verify sinse I don't necessarily know those other languages.

Finder

#36

Re: North Korea turns 60...

Feb 4th, 2006

60 years! wow they grow up so fast. What would we do without our little George Orwell vision of communism/Stalinism.

godsend

#37

Re: North Korea turns 60...

Feb 4th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Jersay

Quote:
Great logic there Jersay.
Ah comeon, you need a sense of humor.

Besides, if their was no one to fight, the U.S would go back to its idea of Manifest Destiny.

All these wars keep the American fighting machine preoccupied.

lol,,,,, so damn true,,,

godsend

#38

Re: North Korea turns 60...

Feb 4th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Quote: Originally Posted by Jersay
Caused by the government stockpiling the food so they grow nice and plump.

But I guess you didn't hear about the malnutrition going on in raq because of American forces waging war there.

You see you can always change things around to fit your view point.
Which loses ones credibility in the process for not being able to see anything beyond that viewpoint.

Communism has killed 100 million people, let's give it another chance, shall we?

oh,,,,,,and ideology of democracy didn't?,,

Finder

#39

Re: North Korea turns 60...

Feb 4th, 2006

I don't know when I hear. Communism had killed 100 million... 10 million or whatever they say these days. You have to remember books like the "Black book of communism" which basically put the number at 20 million. A lot of those number's were made by deaths during WW2 to soldurers and civilion populations. I'm not defeanding communism, but when you look at how bi-ist these writings are. Sometimes they include Nazi solduers killed in ww2 to the amount of deaths caused by communism.

Really the 100 million they came up with for deaths by communism, how many 100 millions has capitalism killed? Wow the number must be in the billions.

Now with that said I'm sure thousands have died in North Korea from Mr Kim's policies and pretty much starving portions of his nation with his Stalinist policies and isolationism. Now I'm not defeanding communism (again) but if you have studied Marxism or even Leninism in university Mr Kim, does not follow the principals of communism, more so then any other so called petty communist dictator. I would say the vast magority of communist dictators have used the communist party, socialism, democracy and scientific socialism as a banner to rally the people around them. Once in power they dump the "high" idea's of said idealology and then do anything they wish to keep themselves or there group in power.

Well thats my two cents. Kim is as communist, as he is as Democratic, as his nation supposedly believes in both.

Anyhow one day I'm sure the two Korea's will be unified, as they have a long history and these past 60 years is merely a drop in time for korea.

missile

Conservative

#40

Re: North Korea turns 60...

Feb 4th, 2006

What does one give a country for its sixtieth birthday? Total World domination,perhaps

Curiosity

#41

Re: North Korea turns 60...

Feb 4th, 2006

Huck

Good thinking on that "fool the censor".... I used to belong to a forum where a Chinese student would write prolifically for a couple of days...then stop for weeks....then write again when he found another internet cafe which hadn't been put out of business. He couldn't tell us his location of course.... but we had all kinds of shorthand ....

Re Tiananmen - thanks for the reminder - I'll never forget that tiny student taking on the tank.... but regarding the proper name...
we use to write "T-square" so they'd think we were talking engineering

I think not

#42

Re: North Korea turns 60...

Feb 4th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by godsend

Quote: Originally Posted by I think not
Quote: Originally Posted by Jersay
Caused by the government stockpiling the food so they grow nice and plump.

But I guess you didn't hear about the malnutrition going on in raq because of American forces waging war there.

You see you can always change things around to fit your view point.
Which loses ones credibility in the process for not being able to see anything beyond that viewpoint.

Communism has killed 100 million people, let's give it another chance, shall we?
oh,,,,,,and ideology of democracy didn't?,,

Probably did, but we can talk about it, can't we?

Finder

#43

Re: North Korea turns 60...

Feb 4th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by missile

What does one give a country for its sixtieth birthday? Total World domination,perhaps

I'm sure I know what Bush will give them.

You know what would have been fun? Is if all the a few NGO's got together and orginized people from around the world in all democracies from Africa, Europe, Asia, America any democracy anywhere to send North Korea, there ballots from there last election.

I think not

#44

Re: North Korea turns 60...

Feb 5th, 2006

Great idea Finder

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