Tensions rise in Mideast over Cartoons


Toro
#211
Quote: Originally Posted by thulin

The last days I have seen the mob in Syria burning not only the Danish embassy, but also the Swedish and Norwegian... Today the Swiss flag was burned in Libanon...



That's bloody hilarious!
 
Curiosity
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Mark Steyn
'Sensitivity' can have brutal consequences
February 5, 2006
BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST
I long ago lost count of the number of times I've switched on the TV and seen crazy guys jumping up and down in the street, torching the Stars and Stripes and yelling ''Death to the Great Satan!'' Or torching the Union Jack and yelling ''Death to the Original If Now Somewhat Arthritic And Semi-Retired Satan!'' But I never thought I'd switch on the TV and see the excitable young lads jumping up and down in Jakarta, Lahore, Aden, Hebron, etc., etc., torching the flag of Denmark.
Denmark! Even if you were overcome with a sudden urge to burn the Danish flag, where do you get one in a hurry in Gaza? Well, OK, that's easy: the nearest European Union Humanitarian Aid and Intifada-Funding Branch Office. But where do you get one in an obscure town on the Punjabi plain on a Thursday afternoon? If I had a sudden yen to burn the Yemeni or Sudanese flag on my village green, I haven't a clue how I'd get hold of one in this part of New Hampshire. Say what you like about the Islamic world, but they show tremendous initiative and energy and inventiveness, at least when it comes to threatening death to the infidels every 48 hours for one perceived offense or another. If only it could be channeled into, say, a small software company, what an economy they'd have.

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Colpy
Conservative
#213
I love Mark Steyn.

He speaks truth.

And does it very well.
 
Colpy
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#214
Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

In The Province today, a newspaper based in the Lower Mainland of the Province of British Columbia, it is reported that in Halifax, a peaceful demonstration of Islamic-Canadian citizens took place to protest the published cartoons.

Note, peaceful demonstration. That is the way it should be! There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the publication of those cartoons — however, people need to realise, as have our Muslim friends in Canada, that violence cannot be deemed a reasonable means to an end.

I would make the point that if you are demonstrating to have censorship imposed on a newspaper, then you either don't understand, or don't respect the freedoms of western civilization, and God Damn It....


YOU DON"T BELONG HERE!

Period.
 
FiveParadox
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#215
I would argue that anyone who thinks that all censorship, in any respect, is some unholy violation of human rights, then perhaps one should look into hate propaganda law. I'm not saying that this particular case was necessarily hate propaganda; but would you say that hate propaganda laws should never be used?
 
Colpy
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#216
Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

I would argue that anyone who thinks that all censorship, in any respect, is some unholy violation of human rights, then perhaps one should look into hate propaganda law. I'm not saying that this particular case was necessarily hate propaganda; but would you say that hate propaganda laws should never be used?

Hate laws are, to me, especially atrocious.

Idiot ideas are better let out into the sun, to be countered and exposed for what they are.

As well, you have (IMHO) the right to express what you believe, to deny that right borders on thought control.

Even the protesters in Halifax have the right to express themselves. My problem is with our total failure to assimilate them into a culture that values freedom.

As Mark Steyn said "multiculturalism is cultural suicide" This is a perfect example.
 
FiveParadox
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#217
Would your opposition to their values which are apparently "contrary" to those of mainstream Canada not be, then, hypocritical?
 
the caracal kid
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#218
interesting how you speak of "thought control" first, and then suggest we need to "assimilate".

multiculturalism works just fine. No matter how much "assimilation" you try, you will always have differences amungst groups. You stated how things should be "better let out into the sun", the same goes for everything.
 
Colpy
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#219
Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

Would your opposition to their values which are apparently "contrary" to those of mainstream Canada not be, then, hypocritical?

Not really.

They are here, and (as I said above) they have the right to express their intolerance.

As I have the right to express mine.

I just think we, as a society, need to take a long, hard look at some of our basic policies, before we wind up NOT having the right to express ourselves.
 
thulin
#220
Just got a mail from a friend, looked like this:


Where was the worldwide Muslim outrage on this day?



I'm sorry, my sympathy meter must be broken.
 
Curiosity
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#221
What a collection of neat posts to read this morning....

Everyone had a valid point. The arguments are so strong.

I dislike censorship of course because the alternative would be too awful for me to think about.

Who would be in charge of censoring?

We would end up rioting about the censors themselves. Can you imagine how valuable "real news and pictures" would become to us - to be able to find the truth???? Deny the public a certain book and it will be smuggled and bring wealth to the publisher and author, because we desire the freedom to choose - it is like breathing to us.

Let the ugliness show and perhaps one day we will realize only honest open and free debate may change a few minds ... certainly not violence.

Thulin that was a strong reminder to me...
As usual the pictures always win don't they.... a great testament for non-censorship. What if we had never been allowed to see those pictures. That we had to rely on word of mouth to describe that scene? What if we had never seen the destruction in Europe of the bombed cities, the graves from Normandy, so many things
showing humanity's ability to destroy in hate and the barbaric need for power over others.

Until we can all cohabitate in peace and respect, we must have historical record and censorship will deny us that right.
 
#juan
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#222
This seems a little late to me, but better late than never I suppose.
World Muslim body condemns embassy burnings
05 Feb 2006 13:52:46 GMT
Source: Reuters
JEDDAH, Saudi Arabia, Feb 5 (Reuters) - The world's leading Islamic body condemned on Sunday the burning of the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus by Muslims angry over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad.

"Overreactions surpassing the limits of peaceful democratic acts ... are dangerous and detrimental to the efforts to defend the legitimate case of the Muslim world," the 57-nation Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) said in a statement.

OIC Secretary General Ekmelettin Ihsanoglu "expresses his disapproval over these regrettable and deplorable incidents," the Saudi-based body said.

Syrians set fire to the Danish and Norwegian embassies on Saturday in Damascus as the row over the cartoons took a violent turn.

A Danish paper first published the cartoons, which included one of the Prophet with a turban resembling a bomb, in September. A Norwegian publication reproduced them, followed by newspapers in several other European countries in recent days.

Newspapers have insisted on their right to print the cartoons on the grounds of freedom of speech. Muslims believe depictions of the Prophet Mohammad are blasphemous.
 
I think not
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#223
I find it "odd" that Muslims take to the streets burning down embassies when a cartoon was published outside of the Middle East over 4 months ago just when Iran is referred to the UN Security Council.
 
DasFX
#224
These crack head Muslims are nothing but hypocrites!

4 and half years ago, the rest of the non-terrorist world was told not to judge an entire faith, race and group of people based on the actions of 10+ people that killed over 3000+ people. Now because of one cartoonist and newspaper editor in Denmark, an entire nation of 5.5 million is vilified. They’ve taken away Danish products, stormed and vandalized embassies and burned their flag. Worse, they’ve lumped all of Scandinavia together into this one small insignificant incident.

Second point of hypocrisy is the actual act. Do you know how many cartoons originating from Muslim media can be found which ridicules Jesus Christ, Jews, Lord Krishna, Buddha, and so on?

I saw the cartoons, big deal! All those terrorist claim to be acting in the name of Allah and Mohammed so if someone draw a picture of this dude with a bomb in his turban, it really isn’t that far off.

The biggest joke though is the worldwide apathy towards these protests. You know if a bunch of Caucasians went around protesting Arab terrorist and burned the Saudi, Iraqi, Iranian, Jordanian, Afghani, or Pakistani flags, there would be hell to pay and people would be labeled racists.

Where are these moderate Muslims who claim Islam isn’t about violence, and it is actually a very fair and peaceful faith? I’m tired; I won’t have any more sympathy for these crack head Muslim racist terrorists!

If I were a Dane, I’d be so angry right now, but then again folks in Scandinavia are too civilized which is a good thing.
 
s_lone
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#225
Many prophecies lead to a bloody attack on Europe by the Muslims from outside and from within.

Being paranoid here but it's food for thought...
 
Toro
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#226
Quote: Originally Posted by thulin

Just got a mail from a friend, looked like this:


Where was the worldwide Muslim outrage on this day?



I'm sorry, my sympathy meter must be broken.

There was dancing in the streets if I recall correctly.

Though, to be fair, it was condemned by most Arab governments. Heck, Yassar even donated blood to send it to the victims. He was looking shocked when he did so. Probably knew his corrupt gravy train was coming to an end.
 
Virtual Burlesque
#227
So, when faced with two divergently reprehensible acts, the only option you can see is to align yourself with one of the reprehensible actors.

No middle ground — just for'm or agin’em.

And another Bush-beggared intellect bites the dust.
 
I think not
#228
Quote: Originally Posted by Virtual Burlesque

So, when faced with two divergently reprehensible acts, the only option you can see is to align yourself with one of the reprehensible actors.

No middle ground — just for'm or agin’em.

And another Bush-beggared intellect bites the dust.

You're equating a cartoon with September 11th as equal reprehensible acts?
 
Jo Canadian
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FiveParadox
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#230
The fact remains that the cartoon was not a parody of a person; but rather, an infringement of and assault on a religion.
 
Jo Canadian
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Durgan
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#232
Quote: Originally Posted by Toro

Quote: Originally Posted by thulin

Just got a mail from a friend, looked like this:


Where was the worldwide Muslim outrage on this day?



I'm sorry, my sympathy meter must be broken.

There was dancing in the streets if I recall correctly.

Though, to be fair, it was condemned by most Arab governments. Heck, Yassar even donated blood to send it to the victims. He was looking shocked when he did so. Probably knew his corrupt gravy train was coming to an end.

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Well done. Lets see some photos of the Hotel these same thugs blew up in Jordon? It would be a way of refreshing their Muslim memory.

Durgan.
 
Freethinker
#233
The real story of what made this an international mess:

Nothing happened until this Muslim "Scholar" made his own book of the original 12 and an assortment of the worse amateur ones he could find and flew around the middle east distributing them.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...rnational/home


For his booklet contained not only the 12 depictions of the Prophet Mohammed that had appeared in the newspaper Jyllands-Posten in September. He also filled it with hideous, amateur images of the Prophet as a pig, a dog, a woman and a child-sodomizing madman.

Flipping through the book yesterday, he explained that these images had been items of hate mail sent to his colleagues by right-wing extremists who disapproved of their activism. These images, he insistently demonstrated, were separated from the newspaper cartoons by several pages of letters. "How could anyone mistake these for the newspaper images?" he asked. "It cannot be that anyone would make this mistake."

But protesters in Lebanon and elsewhere have cited these images in their actions. So have the organizers of a worldwide boycott campaign against Danish products, which is costing the country's economy.
 
Durgan
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#234
Quote: Originally Posted by Freethinker

The real story of what made this an international mess:

Nothing happened until this Muslim "Scholar" made his own book of the original 12 and an assortment of the worse amateur ones he could find and flew around the middle east distributing them.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...rnational/home


For his booklet contained not only the 12 depictions of the Prophet Mohammed that had appeared in the newspaper Jyllands-Posten in September. He also filled it with hideous, amateur images of the Prophet as a pig, a dog, a woman and a child-sodomizing madman.

Flipping through the book yesterday, he explained that these images had been items of hate mail sent to his colleagues by right-wing extremists who disapproved of their activism. These images, he insistently demonstrated, were separated from the newspaper cartoons by several pages of letters. "How could anyone mistake these for the newspaper images?" he asked. "It cannot be that anyone would make this mistake."

But protesters in Lebanon and elsewhere have cited these images in their actions. So have the organizers of a worldwide boycott campaign against Danish products, which is costing the country's economy.

It appears the 12 innocous cartoons all the politically correct people are hum humming about are not the cartoons at issue. Apparently it is cartoons nobody has seen except the Danish traitor who showed them to some Muslim religious leaders.

The rioting people don't even know what pictures they are rioting about. Offended at words passed on by the Muslim religious leadership seems to be the issue..

It appears a bit like treason to me. Da scholar didn't do the Islam cause any favours in the eyes of many if not most people in the West. Many have a poor view of Islam to start with, and this issue doesn't help improving that preception.

Durgan.
 
darkbeaver
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#235
Quote: Originally Posted by Toro

Quote: Originally Posted by thulin

Just got a mail from a friend, looked like this:


Where was the worldwide Muslim outrage on this day?



I'm sorry, my sympathy meter must be broken.

There was dancing in the streets if I recall correctly.

Though, to be fair, it was condemned by most Arab governments. Heck, Yassar even donated blood to send it to the victims. He was looking shocked when he did so. Probably knew his corrupt gravy train was coming to an end.


In terms of American militaryspeak this is routinely described as collateral damage.
 
Doryman
#236
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

Quote: Originally Posted by Toro

Quote: Originally Posted by thulin

Just got a mail from a friend, looked like this:


Where was the worldwide Muslim outrage on this day?



I'm sorry, my sympathy meter must be broken.

There was dancing in the streets if I recall correctly.

Though, to be fair, it was condemned by most Arab governments. Heck, Yassar even donated blood to send it to the victims. He was looking shocked when he did so. Probably knew his corrupt gravy train was coming to an end.


In terms of American militaryspeak this is routinely described as collateral damage.

Sorry, nope. You don't know your military terminology. "Collateral Damage" is when civilians are killed in the pursuit of a military oor combatant target.

The Sept 11 attackers targeted no military or combatants, it targed civilians only. Therefore it is not collateral damage.
 
Doryman
#237
Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

The fact remains that the cartoon was not a parody of a person; but rather, an infringement of and assault on a religion.

The fact also remains that an assault on a religion is not a reason to kill civilians.
 
Jo Canadian
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MMMike
#239
Quote: Originally Posted by Jo Canadian

Great cartoon, Jo!!!!
 
DasFX
#240
Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

The fact remains that the cartoon was not a parody of a person; but rather, an infringement of and assault on a religion.

What a load of hypocritical crap. These fools know how to give it, but they certainly can't take it.

On a daily basis these buggers infringe and assault people around the world with much more force than I hand drawn caricature.

I have no sympathies for them. The have cast hate to all Scandinavians, who are some of the most peaceful and morally conscious people on Earth.

They burn flags symbolizing millions of people, they call for physical harm when no physical harm was committed against them, they vandalize foreign property and disrespect those who try to help them. 4.5 years ago they told us 19 crazy bastards didn't represent all Muslims, but now one bold Danish cartoonist represents all Danes, all Scandinavians, all Europeans and all non-Muslims.

I saw the cartoon; I saw no big deal. It was a Arab dude with a cartoonish bomb lit under his turban. I thought it was kind of funny to tell you the truth. Was it in poor taste, to Muslims it was, but cartoons in newspapers are always taking shots at people, they are support to provoke.

Do you know how many offensive cartoons and pieces of propaganda come out of the Muslim world?

I know it isn't right to judge, but when you see these kinds of images day after day, continent after continent, it makes it real hard. Say what you want about the media being biased, but there are a lot of crazy Muslims out there.
 

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