Big Oil cronies in Iraq - devious plans

[Karlin]

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Dec05/Wokusch1203.htm

We all heard from the cynical amonst us, myself included, how
invading Iraq was for the oil, oil that will keep the Elites now in control of the world to stay in control and expand their empire.
It was a gambit to get it [and keep it away from others] because it is that 'good quality cheaply produced oil' in Iraq at a time when they got the oil prices sky high... Who gets it keep the world!!

The Elites, with Bush at their beck and call , needed to figure out how to transfer Iraq’s oil assets to private companies under the cloak of legitimacy, yet simultaneously keep prices inflated.

Bush & Co. and their Big Oil cronies might have found a simple yet devious solution: production sharing agreements (PSAs).

PSAs are going to be like contracts Saddam handed out. They can use the PSA contracts to get favours and win elections, etc.

It is still "the spoils of war".
Its dirty blood stained money.
We cannot expect humanitarian goals from people who take part, and those taking part are world leaders and powerful people. They are hoarding money for themselves, as per "the equation for life" that we have been led to believe in.

AND ITS NOT GOING TO THE IRAQI PEOPLE. don't forget, we destroyed their infrastructure to get this oil....
quote:

“At an oil price of $40 per barrel, Iraq stands to lose between $74 billion and $194 billion over the lifetime of the proposed contracts, from only the first 12 oilfields to be developed. These estimates, based on conservative assumptions, represent between two and seven times the current Iraqi government budget.”

The Iraqis won't be getting help from the American-imposed leaders either:

Of course, given the current political chaos, Iraqi citizens have little power over whether their politicians sign the proposed PSA agreements. That critical decision could be left to con-men like the former Interim Oil Minister Ahmad Chalabi, who recently met with no less than Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice during his red-carpet visit to the White House. One can assume the topic of Iraq’s proposed PSAs came up more than once.

Chalabi’s successor as Oil Minister, Ibrahim Mohammad Bahr al-Uloum, is expected to toe the corporate line, and Iraq’s former Interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi issued post-invasion guidelines stating: “The Iraqi authorities should not spend time negotiating the best possible deals with the oil companies; instead they should proceed quickly, agreeing to whatever terms the companies will accept, with a possibility of renegotiation later.”

K - But we all knew this, it was just never on the major media.
Those who doubt this war was for oil must believe what they read in the papers and see on TV. Whats it like in that closed off space you live in? do you like it?

Karlin

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

Hi! Karlin

That was a good read.

Just to add more information to the topic, I'll post a few links here for reference material.

So Iraq Was About the Oil
By Robert Parry
November 08, 2005
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/110705.html

Oil War and Oil Imperialism
By Murray N. Rothbard
February 02, 1975
(PDF Document)
http://www.mises.org/journals/lf/1975/1975_02.pdf

On the Road to Damascus
By William Bowles
December 03, 2005
http://williambowles.info

Iraq's oil: The spoils of war
By Philip Thornton
November 22, 2005
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article328526.ece

Iraq to lose up to US $194 billion in oil "rip-off"
November 22, 2005
http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/news_crudedesigns.aspx

 

[Ocean Breeze]

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11213.htm

more on the Iraq/Oil equation.

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

Norway's Oil Industry and the Partitioning of Iraq
By Reidar Visser
December 07, 2005
http://historiae.org/Tawke.asp

 

[MMMike]

I'm reading 'The Prize - The Epic Quest for Oil, Money and Power' by Daniel Yergin. It might interest you, its a detailed story of the oil industry and especially the importance of oil in government foreign policy since WWI.

 

[jjw1965]

 

[Colpy]

Okay, here it is.

I don't agree that oil was the main reason for the invasion of Iraq.

I think the Americans are trying to do good things in Iraq. As Churchill said "You can always depend on the Americans to do the right thing....after they've tried everything else"

Anyway, for the sake of argument, let's say the war was solely for oil. Here's a reality check:

Western civilization is the absolute apex of human development.

At no other time or place in history have so many been so rich and so free as in the west, right now.

Oil is the life's blood of western civilization. Unfortunately, easily accessible oil is concentrated in areas not particularly friendly to western civilization. This despite the fact we have made them rich buying oil from a cartel.

The fact the masses of Saudi Arabia and Iraq are poor is the fault of their own leaders, not the west.

Saddam wanted to create a pan-Arab state with himself as emperor. He wanted control of oil.

This whole thing lit up in 1990. Let's hear it. Would you have allowed Saddam to threaten the livelyhood of the west by seizing control of Mideast oil?

 

[jimmoyer]

Why should a Norwegian company have taken the lead among those intervening in an already complex Iraqi political process? Perhaps it may be a simple matter of unawareness as to the potential controversies over concepts like “regionalism” – in European political discourse generally considered a positive term, but in Iraq still a vexed issue. Perhaps the reason may be that Norway itself lacks a colonialist past – experiences that have taught other Europeans about the political sensitivities of ethnic and religious tensions. Maybe it is because Norwegians tend to translate their sympathies for the sufferings of the Kurds into rather uncritical embraces of the most nationalist wings of the Kurdish political movements. Whatever the reason, it surely is a great disappointment that Norway’s first venture off the beaten track in Iraq has been undertaken in a manner that will do nothing but muddle the complicated ongoing process of transition.

------------taken from a link Dot Calm posted above-----



By the way, in the American press, I read of this, but being a very short article not much was said on the motives and complexity of the Norwegian oil driller in Kurdistan region.

The Norwegians are going to drill the first oil well in Iraq since before the First Gulf War. It will be approximately 3000 meter (more than 9000 feet).

 

[moghrabi]

Western civilization is the absolute apex of human development.

At no other time or place in history have so many been so rich and so free as in the west, right now.

Are you really serious with this statement? The western civilization is the apex of human development? Where did you get this information from? I have a lot of respect for the western civilization but you are still in a cradle compared to other civilizations.

I think you should get off your high horse. The west did not earn much of what they have. They stole most of it.

 

[jimmoyer]

Moghrabi, it's very possible that some of the things you and Colpy said are both true.

 

[Colpy]

Western civilization is the absolute apex of human development.

At no other time or place in history have so many been so rich and so free as in the west, right now.

Are you really serious with this statement? The western civilization is the apex of human development? Where did you get this information from? I have a lot of respect for the western civilization but you are still in a cradle compared to other civilizations.

I think you should get off your high horse. The west did not earn much of what they have. They stole most of it.

Okay....to disprove the first satement "Western civilization is the absolute apex of human development" it is necessary to disprove the second "At no other time or place in history have so many been so rich and so free as in the west, right now."

Let's hear it. Somewhere else, at some other time, kept so many free, and well?

If so, we have a debate.

If not.........

 

[jimmoyer]

Well Colpy, you're right on that challenge.

But along with this accomplishment of world free trade doing far more than charitable foreign aid can hope to
accomplish, is realizing our achievements have still
much to improve.

Although the winner writes the history, it turns out
the winner became so victorious that it could
let these people have a voice, if not a lot of economics
rights, to rewrite the history more accurately.

The irony is how the winner could not suppress
an alternative history of the losers, who because of
world free trade, and who because of an increase
in SOME civil liberties was able to have a very powerful
voice in ruining the Victor's favorite myths of
conquest.

 

[Karlin]

To continue the quote from earlier -

"it surely is a great disappointment that Norway’s first venture off the beaten track in Iraq has been undertaken in a manner that will do nothing but muddle the complicated ongoing process of transition."

"As a minimum of respect for Iraq’s efforts to build a new democracy, foreign companies involved in the country should postpone any bilateral oil and gas deals with regional authorities until the constitutional process has been concluded, with a more precise definition of the relationship between Baghdad and the regions. This may well lessen profits in the short run. But to those with longer-term interests in the Middle East, such a course of action would mean avoiding ethical pitfalls and stigmas far more damaging to a company’s credibility in the region.

http://tinyurl.com/db8aj
[same link as in original post]

Greed, the Norwegian Oil barons are just taking what they can get, getting in on the Iraq oil lotto.
I wonder why the USA allowed any nation other than the USA to get hold of the Iraq oil... It goes thru the US Dollar exchange I guess, some benefit to them must be there.

But in any case, that quote above spells it out
- nobody should be touching any Iraqi oil until the entire nation agrees what to do with it, until it is set up to benefit the Iraqis the most.

Lord knows the Iraqis need it - USA re-construction of the damage their big bombs did is getting nowhere fast. No electricity or sewer yet for most, etc etc.

Yes, invasion for the oil !!
- to make sure the oil doesn't fund the wrong society or terrorists, which might get in the way of Bushevite Globalist Domination
- to ensure the USA energy needs will be able to come from crude or alternatives will start creeping into their economy,
- for immediate gratification for Haliburton and other corporate entities of the USA.

 

[jimmoyer]

Karlin, it sounds like you're trying to make sense of
it, because some of your comments conflict with
each other.

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

U.S., Congress, Committee on International Relations, Special Subcommittee on Investigations, Oil Fields as Military Objectives: A Feasibility Study, Report Prepared by the Congressional Research Service, 94th Cong., 1st sess.
(Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 1975)
August 21, 1975

Parts I and II, pp. 1-39

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/Petroleum/fields.htm

 

[jimmoyer]

That was written during the Cold War and there
was much concern with Egypt hosting Russian troops
and Russian backing to OPEC.

Maybe if we had all lived during a world wide
depression, we'd find out how desparate things get.

But The Depression in the 30s is just some story
long ago in boring history book.

 

[EagleSmack]

Hi! Karlin

That was a good read.

Just to add more information to the topic, I'll post a few links here for reference material.

So Iraq Was About the Oil
By Robert Parry
November 08, 2005
Consortiumnews.com

Oil War and Oil Imperialism
By Murray N. Rothbard
February 02, 1975
(PDF Document)
http://www.mises.org/journals/lf/1975/1975_02.pdf

On the Road to Damascus
By William Bowles
December 03, 2005
http://williambowles.info

Iraq's oil: The spoils of war
By Philip Thornton
November 22, 2005
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article328526.ece

Iraq to lose up to US $194 billion in oil "rip-off"
November 22, 2005
http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/news_crudedesigns.aspx

Hey is that you OpposingDigit?

 

[Twin_Moose]

Hey is that you OpposingDigit?

I noticed a couple posters in the old threads that have the same common trait

 

[Hoid]

That was written during the Cold War and there
was much concern with Egypt hosting Russian troops
and Russian backing to OPEC.

Maybe if we had all lived during a world wide
depression, we'd find out how desparate things get.

But The Depression in the 30s is just some story
long ago in boring history book.

is is also something we were looking at in 2008 - thanks Obama for saving us from that one.

 

[BrentBaw]

Big Oil cronies in Iraq devious plans

Radiation plume from Japan are headed towards California,whereas oil from Libya will be for the whole of USA,now you tell me whats more important