Global Warming solutions resisted by automakers

[Karlin]

Even at this late stage where the cascade effects* of global warming are about to become a reality, we still have humans fighting the changes needed to reduce the severity of climate changes.

Corporate humans, and their friends in government, are proposing taxing the fuel-efficient hybrid cars "because they use less gas so there is less fuel tax available to fixing the highways".
No kidding - read it here -

http://tinyurl.com/7ue99


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Industry fights back as New York Acts to Cut Emissions:

New York is adopting California's ambitious new regulations aimed at cutting automotive emissions of global warming gases, touching off a battle over rules that would sharply reduce carbon dioxide emissions while forcing the auto industry to make vehicles more energy efficient over the next decade.

But the auto industry has already moved to block the rules in New York State, and plans to battle them in every other state that follows suit.

The regulations simply pressure the industry to sell more of the fuel-saving technologies they have already developed, including hybrid systems.

And that, they say, will curtail one of the main contributors to global warming - "The two biggest contributors to global warming are power plants and motor vehicles - If you deal with them, you deal with more than two-thirds of the problem."

K- Wow, 2/3rd of the problem of climate change for simply getting thru a re-tooling... Almost ANY price would be acceptable, considering that climate change has the potential to damage every biological system on earth and make life plain misery for humans.

Living underground [as the answer to severe weather] is not a reasonable trade-off for simply reducing emissions at a nominal cost. Economically, the damages are not in the same ball-park, severe and extreme weather will destroy all economies and cost us everything.


Is there no potential for the auto-and fossil fuel industries to be blamed for selling a dirty product that has done so much damage? [gasoline, cars]
If they thought so, they might start to act responsibily so we don't get too angry at them and demand reparations.
And to reduce the amount of damages so the repair bill won't be a high.

Someone told us lies about global warming - who were those "scientsts" who wrote those fake science reports that denied global warming? I hope they are not still working as scientists...I want their names[and a length of rope].

Telling lies is getting Bush in trouble, once we opened our eyes to it. Now that our eyes are open to climate change, we ought to face those liars

and the ones who hired them... eg. GM, is not doing its part as a good corporate citizen in firing 1600 workers, and with GWarming damages starting to add up, GM isn't winning friends these days!!

There is a growing public appetite for lynching the top dogs who lie to us about really really important issues. How to do that tho...

Karlin

* "cascade effect" is global warming that creates more global warming; tilting the carbon cycle to give up more of it's stores quickly, which in turn warms things up even more and so on and so on.
eg- year-round snow now melts, and now it doesn't reflect sunlight like it used to...

article on this topic here -
http://www.climateark.org/articles/2000/1st/scampy12.htm

 

[Reverend Blair]

who were those "scientsts" who wrote those fake science reports that denied global warming?

I can make a bit of a list of the famous ones for you. If you want it, let me know. It's really the fault of the politicians and the corporate-buggered press though. I have an incomplete list of the politicians involved. The press...well you can't nail down reporters because a lot had stuff dropped in and others had no choice if they wanted to keep working. We know who their bosses are though.

 

[MMMike]

Not sure if it's provincial or federal juristiction, but Canada/Ontario should adopt California-style emission regulations yesterday.... create critical mass that will swing all production 'on board'.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Global Warming soluti

They should, but they won't.

 

[Karlin]

Re: more signs - links

more links to the pending disater of global warming.

Who would refute that this is the single greatest threat to humans, and to natural bio-systems?
How can we ignore this any longer when such a huge loss to planet earth appears to be in store?

The one things most politicians refuse to say is that we need to reduce our use of fossil fuels.
In Canada, of our political leaders, only NDP's Jack Layton is saying that, but even he doesn't say it enough.

Anyways, more of the actual threat of global warming GW [not a fake threat drummed up by warmongerers [also a GW, as in Bush] that gets all the attention, like terrorism where it is highly unlikely that YOU as an individual will get hurt from it, at these links:

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"Human health and the earth's ecosystems are increasingly threatened by climate change" ; "Poorest will get hit the hardest"
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=30875

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"Global Disaster Will Follow If the Ice Cap on Greenland Melts
Now scientists say it is vanishing far faster than even they expected."
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1120-03.htm

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"Current levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are higher than at any time in the past 650,000 years ; Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have risen 200 times faster over the past 50 years than at any other time during this period"
http://www.nature.com/news/2005/051121/full/051121-14.html

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"Sea levels around the world are rising twice as fast as they were 150 years ago because of human-induced global warming" -
http://tinyurl.com/865nr

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K - These reports show that the cascade effects are occuring, effects that will speed the rate of change.

We are past the time when it would have been easy to solve the worst of climate change problems ; we are at the time when it would still be better to act now rather than wait until it will more expensive to curtail emissions due to extreme weather hampering the work, when disease will be more common, when people are weakened by hunger due to crop failures, and by disease from foul water - all are foreseeable effects of global warming.

Karlin

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Global Warming soluti

They are all forseeable and predictable, Karlin. The problem isn't with what is happening, or even our knowledge of it. The problem is in who controls the money. The global economy is based on burning fossil fuels, so those that control the fossil fuels control the economy and, through that, the politicians who lead us.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Global Warming soluti

They are all forseeable and predictable, Karlin. The problem isn't with what is happening, or even our knowledge of it. The problem is in who controls the money. The global economy is based on burning fossil fuels, so those that control the fossil fuels control the economy and, through that, the politicians who lead us.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Global Warming soluti

They are all forseeable and predictable, Karlin. The problem isn't with what is happening, or even our knowledge of it. The problem is in who controls the money. The global economy is based on burning fossil fuels, so those that control the fossil fuels control the economy and, through that, the politicians who lead us.

 

[no1important]

RE: Global Warming soluti

Of course they (and big oil) are going to resist it. They make big bucks off SUV's etc. They are too lazy to make vehicles that run on non fossil fuel engines. They say cost but that is bs, if we ran out of "gasoline and oil" tomorrow they would have solar power, electric, hydrogen, bio fuel vehicles out in no time. They do not want to lose a buck to make this investment.

I think the federal government should legislate that 2010 be the last year internal combustable engines that run on fossil fuel be allowed in new vehicles. After that they have to produce vehicles that run on solar power, electric, hydrogen, bio fuel, propane and natural gas only.

There is no excuse why these vehicles are not massed produced now, we have the technology but the partners in crime (big oil, big auto) won't do this until the very last minute when they have no other choice. I also think corperations should not be allowed to donate (influence) to political parties.

 

[Karlin]

Re: RE: Global Warming soluti

They are all forseeable and predictable, Karlin. The problem isn't with what is happening, or even our knowledge of it. The problem is in who controls the money. The global economy is based on burning fossil fuels, so those that control the fossil fuels control the economy and, through that, the politicians who lead us.

Yes, thats for sure, its the Golden Rule - He who has the gold makes the rules.

Eventually the voters would save themselves and not vote for a fossil-fuel friendly candidate or party like the liberals and Conservatives. But not yet - voters don't understand the urgency of GW.

This might happen before 2012 tho'.
Voters will try to turf them out, and at that time we will discover that our governments have allways been appointed, not elected. They are appointed by the Elites to ensure they keep the "oil-as-our-only-energy" way of life as a way to rule the world.

We saw a few very close elections and referandums, too many at 49.5 to 50.5 percents.
"As close as it needs to be,make it look like we could lose, but allways end up with a 0.5% margin minimum" - instructions to election officials from Elites.

I don't believe so many Americans voted for Bush in round two, and then changed their minds about now when they finally see that the WMD story was bullsh*t?
Quebec referandum [keep those people divided!] was very suspicious, esp in the light of the money thrown around illegally [sponsorship pgm].
And around the world, many examples. Its being controlled. They can't let people decide important matters.

But in the end, global warming will hit everyone.
So why are the Elites doing that to themselves?
- Just too stubborn/rich to see the truth?
- do they the know something of a future distaster that makes all the problems of global warming obsolete?
- have they ran with the 2nd coming fantasy too far?
- They have a plan to live underground and not enjoy actual life on the surface as their sacrfice to make a better world for themselves in 1000 years when the weather settles down?

None of the above makes sense other than #1. Ego. Pretending it won't be so bad, or that things like this happened in our history, we can handle it. A choice they are making for all of us, and a lot of soon to be extinct species too.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Global Warming soluti

Things like this have happened in our history. Scientists call them "mass extinction events." The higher species suffer the worst during these events.