http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4422086.stm
reports from friends in the UK indicate much joy over this....
reports from friends in the UK indicate much joy over this....
Blair defeated over Terror Laws
- Thread starter Ocean Breeze
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So the main point of this proposed law was to detain a terrorist suspect for 90 days without charging them.
Instead Parliament chose 28 days to detain a suspect without a charge.
Why did the police recommend 90 days?
Lack of manpower? Lack of time to vett the evidence?
So because of a lack of manpower and time they will probably let a suspect languish for days without doing any paperwork or research on him ?
Instead Parliament chose 28 days to detain a suspect without a charge.
Why did the police recommend 90 days?
Lack of manpower? Lack of time to vett the evidence?
So because of a lack of manpower and time they will probably let a suspect languish for days without doing any paperwork or research on him ?
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security... Benjamin Franklin
The 28 Day option has not passed as yet.
Below is part of the debate in the British Parliament.
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Shadow home secretary David Davis said what the government was talking about was "imprisonment without trial" in the country that invented Habeas Corpus.
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Tory Angela Watkinson asked if it was timely that during a cross-party visit to South Africa, the group were taken on a tour of Robin Island, where Nelson Mandela was incarcerated for 27 years, by a former prisoner who said: "This all happened when we used to lock people up for 90 days without charge."
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Veteran Labour MP David Winnick, who will put forward a 28-day proposal if the Commons rejects the government's amendment, said a balance needs to be struck between traditional liberties, rule of law and trying to protect this country from acts of terror.
"The right not to be imprisoned without being charged, not to be subject to arbitrary arrest and habeas corpus are all basic to our democracy," he said.
He asked his fellow MPs how they would like to be locked up for 90 days if they were innocent.
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Alistair Carmichael, a home affairs spokesman for the Liberal Democrats.
He said of the measures: "This is no flight of fancy because we have been here before - detention without charge is not a new concept. We tried it in Northern Ireland - we know what the consequences of that were."
He said MPs have to oppose the government's 90-day plan if they want to have the opportunity to support Mr Winnick's 28-day proposal.
"There is no principle that says 14, 28 or 90 days is right. The principle that is at stake is nobody should be deprived of their liberty unless there is evidence in which to do so," he said.
"It must be important that if we do move to 28 days there are necessary locks and safeguards put in place."
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Durgan.
The 28 Day option has not passed as yet.
Below is part of the debate in the British Parliament.
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Shadow home secretary David Davis said what the government was talking about was "imprisonment without trial" in the country that invented Habeas Corpus.
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Tory Angela Watkinson asked if it was timely that during a cross-party visit to South Africa, the group were taken on a tour of Robin Island, where Nelson Mandela was incarcerated for 27 years, by a former prisoner who said: "This all happened when we used to lock people up for 90 days without charge."
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Veteran Labour MP David Winnick, who will put forward a 28-day proposal if the Commons rejects the government's amendment, said a balance needs to be struck between traditional liberties, rule of law and trying to protect this country from acts of terror.
"The right not to be imprisoned without being charged, not to be subject to arbitrary arrest and habeas corpus are all basic to our democracy," he said.
He asked his fellow MPs how they would like to be locked up for 90 days if they were innocent.
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Alistair Carmichael, a home affairs spokesman for the Liberal Democrats.
He said of the measures: "This is no flight of fancy because we have been here before - detention without charge is not a new concept. We tried it in Northern Ireland - we know what the consequences of that were."
He said MPs have to oppose the government's 90-day plan if they want to have the opportunity to support Mr Winnick's 28-day proposal.
"There is no principle that says 14, 28 or 90 days is right. The principle that is at stake is nobody should be deprived of their liberty unless there is evidence in which to do so," he said.
"It must be important that if we do move to 28 days there are necessary locks and safeguards put in place."
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Durgan.