THE IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH

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FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF

THE IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH, VICE PRESIDENT RICHARD B. CHENEY, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE DONALD H. RUMSFELD, AND ATTORNEY GENERAL JOHN DAVID ASHCROFT

1. Provisions on Impeachment in the U.S. Constitution
2.
British Experience With Imperial Power and Abuse
3.
The Intention of the Founders to Grant the Power of Impeachment
4.
Impeachment of U.S. Presidents
5.
President George W. Bush and Other Named Officials Have Committed Impeachable Offenses of Unprecedented Danger to the Constitution and People of the United States
6.
We Must Act Now to Prevent Catastrophe and Ensure Accountability



PROVISIONS ON IMPEACHMENT IN THE U.S. CONSTITUTION

Impeachment is the direct constitutional means for removing a President, Vice President or other civil officers of the United States who have acted or threatened acts that are serious offenses against the Constitution, its system of government, or the rule of law, or that are conventional crimes of such a serious nature that they would injure the Presidency if there was no removal.

The power of impeachment is a vital part of the Constitution. It was among the proposals first presented to the Constitutional Convention in 1787. Its terms were debated repeatedly and remained prominently in the text from the first drafts of the Constitution to the final document. Impeachment is more fully and carefully detailed in substance and procedure than any other power delegated to the Congress by the Constitution. Provisions relating to impeachment appear six times in text of the Constitution and once in an Amendment. They are:

1. Article I, which creates the legislative branch of government, in Section 2, para. 4 provides:
that the House of Representatives... "shall have the sole power of impeachment."

2. Article I, Section 3, para. 6 provides:
"The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present."
3. Article I, Section 3, paragraph 7 provides:
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law."

4. Article II, which creates the Executive branch, in Section 2 provides the President:
...shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

5. Article II, Section 4 provides:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of , Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.



BRITISH EXPERIENCE WITH POWER AND ABUSE

Impeachment was incorporated into the Constitution directly from the British practice and experience to a unique degree. Federalist No. 65, written by Alexander Hamilton cited Great Britain as "the model from which [impeachment] has been borrowed."

Impeachment in Britain had been a key weapon in the long struggle of the Parliament against the tyranny of the King. Because the Parliament and the Courts lacked power to remove, or limit the King, impeachment was used against officers of the King who carried out his tyrannical orders. Between 1620 and 1640 during the reigns of James I and Charles I the House of Commons voted more than 100 impeachments against officers of the Crown.

The impeachment of the Earl of Strafford in 1642 charging "he hath traitorously subverted the Fundamental Laws...to introduce Arbitrary and Tyrannical Government Against Law..." arose from the conflict between Charles I who asserted "the will of the Prince was the source of law" and parliamentarians who believed with Sir Edward Coke that law had "independent existence of its own, set above the King as well as above his subjects". Strafford's impeachment began early in the struggle of the Long Parliament to "prevent the English monarchy from hardening into an absolution of the type then becoming general in Europe". His impeachment is understood today to be "a great watershed in English Constitutional history of which the Founders were aware." 1

After the execution of Charles I in 1648, during the Commonwealth under Oliver Cromwell, there were no impeachments. With the Restoration of the monarchy in 1660 a stronger Parliament asserted greater power to control arbitrary acts of the King by impeachments for lesser offenses of "negligent discharge of duties" and "improprieties in office."

Just weeks before the Constitutional Convention in 1787 the first efforts to impeach Warren Hastings, Governor General of India began. The articles of impeachment charged Hastings with mal-administration, corruption in office and cruelty toward the Indian people. These articles are reminiscent of the charges against King George III in the American Declaration of Independence eleven years earlier. Indeed the Declaration of Independence could be thought of as a declaration of grounds for removal of the King and his distant government, or a declaration of independence in the absence of the power of impeachment. The Hastings impeachment was of great interest in the Convention, cited prominently by George Mason in the debates and well known by the delegates.

By 1787, the British Parliament had used the phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors" as a standard for impeachment for more than 400 years.

In Britain, impeachment had been called "...the most powerful weapon in the political armory, short of civil war." It was referred to as "the chief institution for the preservation of the government" in the House of Commons in 1677 and served to curtail the concentration of absolute power in the King and establish constitutional government and supremacy of law as fundamental principle. Impeachment played an historic and heroic role in England's long and bloody struggle to free itself from the despotism of Monarchs.

1 - See Raoul Berger, Impeachment, The Constitutional Problems, Harvard University Press, 1973 at p. 30-40.



6. Article III which creates the Judicial branch of government, in Section 2, paragraph 3 provides:
The trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury... .

7. Amendment XXV to the Constitution ratified on February 10. 1967 provides in Section 1:
In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

The power of impeachment was placed in the Constitution to protect the Constitution and the people from a despotic, or lawless President.



THE INTENTION OF THE MEMBERS OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION IN PLACING THE POWER OF IMPEACHMENT IN THE CONGRESS

In answer to the colonial experience with absolutist monarchy, the Articles of Confederation created a purely legislative form of government in which there was no King, or Chief Executive. Ministers answered directly to Congress. Removal of government officials was at the will of the Congress. Impeachment was not needed. The legislative form of government created by the Articles of Confederation did not work. It proved ineffective in accomplishing the purposes of government and diffused responsibility and accountability for acts of government, making reform difficult.

Delegates at the Constitutional Convention quickly decided that a strong executive was essential to effective government. They created the office of the President and vested "The executive Power" in it. The direct means provided in the Constitution for preventing and correcting abuse of executive power was impeachment. The debates on impeachment focused "...principally on its applicability to the President."2

Seeking to create a strong, but responsible executive, delegates at the Convention intended, in the words of Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, that "the maxim would never be adopted here that the Chief Magistrate could do no wrong." 3

George Mason, defending provisions for the impeachment of the President in the Constitutional Convention, asked "Shall any man be above justice? Above all Shall that man be above it, who can commit the most extensive injustice?" 4

Benjamin Franklin favored Congressional power to impeach and remove the President to prevent tyranny and recourse to assassination.
Edmund Randolph, who would become the first Attorney General under the Constitution and later be forced to resign from the Washington Cabinet on accusation of "Treason", argued for the impeachment power, observing "The Executive will have great opportunity of abusing his power; particularly in time of war when the military force, and in some respects the public money will be in his hands." Without the power to impeach he saw the remedy in "tumults and insurrections." 5

James Wilson, a major participant in the Constitutional Convention, speaking in the Pennsylvania ratification convention argued that for all the power vested in the President, "not a single privilege is annexed to his character, far from being above the laws, he is amenable to them in his private character as a citizen, and in his public character by impeachment." 6

The great concern of the Constitution was that there never be an imperial presidency disregarding law and usurping powers of the government and the people. This is further revealed by two provisions in Article II of the Constitution. The final clause of Article II, Section 3, which follows the recitation of Presidential powers and duties set forth in Sections 2 and 3, provides "he shall take care that the Laws be faithfully executed..." The last paragraph of Article II, section 1 prescribes the Oath or Affirmation to be taken "Before he enter on the Execution of his Office" ... "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

By the impeachment power, the authors of the Constitution intended to prevent the emergence of a tyrant, or despot in the form of a President who could destroy "the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

2 - High Crimes and Misdemeanors: Selected Materials on Impeachment. Constitutional Grounds for Impeachment by the Impeachment Inquiry Staff of the House Judiciary Committee, Funk and Wagnells, 1974 at p 5.

3 - The Records of the Federal Convention 66 (M. Farrand ed. 1911).

4 - 2 Farrand 65.

5 - 2 Farrand 65.

6 - J. Elliot, The Debates In The Several State Conventions On The Adoption Of The Federal Constitution, 29 Ed. p. 74.



IMPEACHMENT HISTORY UNDER THE CONSTITUTION

A casual reading of the history of impeachment by the Congress might lead one to believe its use, contrary to its clear purpose, "had sunk in this country to the ouster of dreary little judges for squalid misconduct." 7 It has been our good fortune not to have been confronted with the tyrannies of our own Kings and their attendants and forced to struggle for freedom from their despotism. Still the existence of the impeachment power in the Constitution has been present and raised publicly, often prominently, during the administration of every American president.

In 1974, to aid the House of Representatives Committee on the Judiciary in its consideration of possible grounds for the impeachment of President Nixon, C. Vann Woodward, distinguished professor of history at Yale University, serving as Editor and Director, with the assistance of fourteen prominent historians, compiled a 398 page "Authoritative History of Accusations of High Crimes and Misdemeanors from George Washington to Lyndon Johnson." 8

Charges of misconduct and threats of impeachment against the President, or his civil officers are found in every Presidential administration. Most often the charges have involved corruption which was present in many and prominent in the administrations of Presidents Tyler, Buchanan, Grant and Harding. Sometimes they have involved personal misconduct. Some charges reflect "politics as usual" and are an abuse of the impeachment power itself seeking political advantage. But on many occasions the charges have claimed usurpation of power not delegated to the President, abuse of delegated Presidential power and serious criminal conduct destructive of constitutional government and the rule of law.

While the Constitutional definition of conduct that is impeachable, read with the gloss of history, seems clear, the range of definitions adopted by members of the Congress have stretched from serious felony crimes alone to whatever the Congress says it is. The most extreme definition of impeachable conduct ever proposed in Congress is found in the words of Gerald R. Ford spoken on the floor of the House of Representatives in 1970 when he introduced the notorious articles of impeachment against Justice William O. Douglas of the Supreme Court of the United States:

"What then is an impeachable offense? The only honest answer is that an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history..." 9

See, generally, Irving Brant, Impeachment, Trials and Errors, Knopf, 1972.

If Ford gave the "only honest answer" to his own question, then the words of the Constitution mean nothing. The Congress could remove the President for any act, or failure to act, it might choose. It was Ford who later, as President pardoned Richard Nixon, immediately after Nixon's resignation as President. Ford himself had been appointed Vice President by President Nixon after the resignation of Vice President Spiro Agnew.

If the impeachment power is limited to serious felony crimes only, it may fail to protect against usurpations and abuses of power that threaten constitutional government, but are not crimes.

A brief comment on impeachable misconduct raised in public debate during the first Presidential administration will indicate the magnitude and frequency of impeachment as a national concern. 10 The administration of President Washington is generally considered to be among the least political and most honorable of all.

Among the most serious accusations were those against Alexander Hamilton of "nothing less than conspiracy to subvert the liberty of his country" by changing the form of the government prescribed in the Constitution from a federal to a national state copying the British financial system in order "to return to the rule of aristocrats and kings."

Hamilton was charged with corruption in selecting William Duer as his Under Secretary of the Treasury. Duer, a notorious speculator, soon resigned owing the government $200,000. His later speculation lead to the first financial panic of the new nation in 1792. Hamilton was subject to lengthy intensive investigation by the House of Representatives for this and other conduct.

Jefferson, among other acts, was charged with using government funds to finance Philip Freneau when Freneau started the National Gazette, a pro Jefferson newspaper.

Both Jefferson and Hamilton were accused of accepting bribes from foreign governments.

Edmund Randolph who served Washington as both Attorney General and Secretary of State was accused of treason and accepting bribes from the French government and corruption for agreeing to foment civil strife in the Whisky Rebellion in 1794 on the basis of French documents captured by the British and irregularties in State Department financial accounts. Confronted with evidence that he accepted bribes from France by President Washington and his War and Treasury Secretaries, Randolph endeavored to explain, apparently failed and then resigned. He was never prosecuted, but his public career ended.

President Washington was personally accused after signing the Jay Treaty with England of participation in a British- Federalist conspiracy to destroy republican government in the U.S. He refused to deliver papers relating to the negotiation of the Treaty to the House of Representatives which was investigating conduct which led to the Treaty.

The Constitutional impeachment power of the Congress has been a conscious presence in the conduct of the Presidency. It has surfaced frequently in public statements and accusations addressing controversial acts of the President and his principal civil officers. It has acted as a powerful deterrent to usurpation and abuse of power by the President. While impeachment has resulted in a completed trial in the Senate in only one case involving the President, it has affected Presidential conduct constantly and led to resignations of many officials and one President.

President Andrew Johnson after the assassination of Lincoln, as the nation entered the difficult post Civil War period of reconstruction was accused of the many crimes, even conspiring in the assassination of Lincoln. He was most aggressively charged with frustrating the implementation and execution of Congressional acts and effectively nullifying some laws dealing with reconstruction. The charge for which he was finally impeached and tried in the Senate was violation of the Tenure of Office Act by removal of Secretary of War Stanton whose role in enforcing reconstruction legislation in the former Confederacy was critical. The House vote for Impeachment was 126 to 47. The Senate failed by a single vote to meet the 2/3's requirement set in the Constitution to convict.

Historians still debate whether President Johnson was the victim of radical Republican political anger, or had seriously acted to frustrate the enforcement of reconstruction laws and to "take care that the Laws be faithfully executed" in a matter of great consequence to the nation.
Two of the last seven Presidents have faced impeachment crises. President Nixon was forced to resign in the face of the threat of impeachment. Had there been no impeachment power in the Congress, he surely would not have resigned. Part of President Nixon's problem was the credibility his acts gave to charges that his was an imperial Presidency. When Nixon designed uniforms for White House Guards that looked more appropriate for Buckingham Palace than the White House he was forced by ridicule to change back to customary uniforms.

C. Van Woodward, in his Introduction, The Conscience of the White House says of the charges against President Nixon, "Heretofore, no president has been accused of extensively subverting and secretly using established government agencies to defame or discredit political opponents and critics, to obstruct justice, to conceal misconduct and protect criminals, or to deprive citizens of their rights and liberties." 11

Maybe Woodward is right, but his report is replete with similar and worse allegations in circumstances far more dangerous to the United States. It is, however, clear that such offenses are subject to impeachment.

President Bill Clinton was impeached in December 1998 on three Articles of Impeachment by votes ranging from 229-205 to 221-212. The votes were highly partisan with only five Democrats voting for impeachment. The charges were for perjury, false and misleading testimony and obstruction of justice, all committed in legal proceedings involving allegations of extra-marital sexual conduct. The charges were less serious to Constitutional government than allegations against most previous Presidents. Representative Bob Livingston, Republican and speaker elect of the House of Representatives, resigned from Congress in January 1999 after the disclosure of his extra marital affairs hoping to set an example for President Clinton. The example was not followed and the matter ended without a trial in the Senate.

Allegations of impeachable offenses have been made in the administration of every President.

7 - Berger, op cit, at p. 3, citing Joseph Borkin, The Corrupt Judge (New York, 1962).

8 - Published as Responses of the Presidents to Charges of Misconduct, Delacorte Press, 1974.

9 - 116 Cong.Rec.H. 3113-3114 (daily edition April 15, 1970).

10 - See Responses of the Presidents To Charges of Misconduct, op. Cit George Washington, 1789-1797, at pp. 1-21.

11 - Responses Of The Presidents To Charges Of Misconduct, Op. Cit. at p. xxvi.





PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH AND OTHER NAMED OFFICIALS OF THE UNITED STATES HAVE COMMITTED IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES OF UNPRECEDENTED DANGER TO THE CONSTITUTION AND PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES.

Draft Articles of Impeachment of President George W. Bush and other named officials of the United States charge the most serious crimes known to law and history. Nothing in the experience of the impeachment power under the Constitution compares. The conduct charged threatens the Constitution, the United Nations, the rule of law and the lives of unknown thousands, or millions of people by their act and example.

The alleged impeachable acts of President George W. Bush include:

1. Ordering and directing "first strike" war of aggression against Afghanistan causing thousands of deaths;

2. Removing the government of Afghanistan by force and installing a government of his choice;

3. Authorizing daily intrusions into Iraqi airspace and aerial attacks including attacks on alleged defense installations in Iraq which have killed hundreds of people in time of peace;

4. Authorizing, ordering and condoning attacks in Afghanistan and Iraq on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties are unavoidable;

5. Threatening the use of nuclear weapons and ordering preparation for their use;

6. Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently proclaiming his personal intention to change its government by force;

7. Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, murder, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners;

8. Authorizing, ordering and condoning violations of rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eight Amendments to the Constitution and of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and other international protections of human rights;

9. Authorizing, directing and condoning bribery and coercion of individuals and governments to obtain his war ends;

10. Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda and concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment to create a climate of fear and hatred and destroy opposition to his war goals.

President Bush is accused of Crimes Against Peace, War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. No crimes are greater threats to the Constitution of the United States, the United Nation Charter, the rule of law or the future of humanity.



MAXIMUM EFFORT TO SECURE FULL CONSIDERATION OF IMPEACHMENT IS THE DUTY OF EVERYONE.

Impeachment is the means by which We The People of the United States and our elected representatives in Congress can prevent further crimes by the President and the human catastrophe they threaten and force accountability for crimes committed.

Congressional proceedings for impeachment can bring about open, fearless consideration of the most dangerous acts and threats ever committed by an American President. If courageously pursued, they can save our Constitution, the United Nations, the rule of law, the lives of countless people and leave open the possibility of peace on earth. Each of us must take a stand on impeachment now, or bear the burden of having failed to speak in this hour of maximum peril.

- - Ramsey Clark
January 15, 2003
 

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Re: RE: THE IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH

gopher said:
And what we need thereafter is another Nuremburg trial for Bush and Blair.

that would be the way to go............and it might restore some faith in the judicial process. (and the human equation)
 

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14/01/2005

Today Matthew K. Owen, President of the Human Rights Defence League, filed charges with Luis Moreno-Ocampo, chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court against President George W. Bush and other members of the Bush Administration, including Vice-President Richard Cheney, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld, Attorney General John Ashcroft, Attorney General nominee Alberto Gonzales, former CIA Director George Tenet, and top military commanders, both in Iraq and at Guantánamo Bay Naval Base, where hundreds of people remained detained outside the reach of US or international law, and where torture was alleged to have taken place which was later exported to Abu Ghraib prison and other detention facilities in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other, undisclosed locations.

"One can't turn the clock back on the crimes committed by President Bush or his administration, or on their disastrous consequences," Mr. Owen remarked, "but one can certainly launch a legal, diplomatic, political, and economic counter-offensive against the crimes which continue to be committed to this day."

"This complaint is modelled upon the criminal counts brought against the Nazi and Japanese officials responsible for the Second World War and its most horrifying atrocities: military aggression as a Crime Against Peace, war crimes, and crimes against humanity. Before the Second World War, only war crimes could be prosecuted: the evil that the Axis powers unleashed on the world was so horrific that the victorious Allies, later the original United Nations, put aside their differences to prosecute military aggression and crimes against humanity, charting out a new course for international law.

"The Bush Administration hasn't yet sunk to that level of horror or evil, but it is headed there, and dragging the rest of the United States with it: I feel a responsibility as a United States citizen to do what I can to stop the Administration in its tracks, because they are the tracks to hell.

"The Nazi and Japanese defendants were tried before military tribunals. President Bush proposes to bring the people he had illegally detained before military tribunals. These criminal complaints, in which I argue that the Rome Statute gives the International Criminal Court authority to accede to the Charters of the International Military Tribunals of Nuremburg and Tokyo, have already been filed, in one form or another, under the laws of Belgium, Canada, and Germany: while the Belgian and Canadian governments caved in to enormous US pressure, the German case is still pending.

"Some limitations of the German law, particularly a failure to define military aggression as a Crime Against Peace, limit the ability to prosecute cases there: while I am also encouraging the German Government to accede to the Nuremburg definition, and thus clear the way for filing this complaint fully in Germany, I am more encouraged by the fact that the ICC does assume jurisdiction over prosecution of military aggression. I'm urging them to accede to the definitions found in the Charters of the International Military Tribunals that formed a vital part of the prosecutions at Nuremburg and Tokyo.

"I'm also re-filing the German complaint as part of my consolidated complaint with the ICC, in the event that the German Government, like those of Belgium and Canada before it, proves unwilling or unable to prosecute the case now before it.

"Additionally, I'm filing the complaint with the World Tribunal on Iraq, a non-governmental organisation, in the event that the ICC should prove unwilling or unable to try the case. The ICC defers to cases pending in national courts, such as in the German case, but if it has no authority or ability to prosecute where unwillingness or inability to prosecute exists, what good is it? I'm the last one who wishes to take President Bush's side in this, but a failure on the part of the ICC would prove him tragically right, and would necessitate independent action on the part of the WTI or other NGO's, possibly bolstered by the efforts of other national governments. Since this would inevitably involve a conflict of interest, as national states seek always to maximise their power and influence, I would hope that either the ICC or WTI, or ideally, the former acting at the behest of the latter and others, such as myself or plaintiffs in cases pending or to be filed, will move forward on these complaints and cases.

"Not to act is to give impunity to the Bush Administration and to all the international criminals who came before, and to unleash the forces of international crime on an unprecedented scale: in the words of Thomas Hobbes, our lives would then be doomed to become nasty, brutish, and short."

The criminal complaint can be found at the following website: http://www.geocities.com/wyvyrn.geo/justice.html
 

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For the ICC to come into force, the Rome Statute needed 60 countries to ratify it. This meant delegates had to bring the treaty home and pass it through their nation's government for it to become law. On July 7, 2000, Canada became the 14th nation to ratify.

On May 6, 2002, President George W. Bush repudiated Clinton's signature.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/warcrimes/icc2.html

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http://www.worldpress.org/Europe/594.cfm

When the International Criminal Court (ICC) treaty was adopted in Rome on July 1998 by over 120 countries, the United States was one of only seven countries which voted against it. The United States was concerned about its nationals being “dragged before the ICC” for “politically motivated prosecutions”....Dubya’s dubious move or contemplated action of “unsigning” the ICC treaty would be unprecedented in the legal history of the United States and also probably in the annals of modern international law....It is ironic that the closest parallel to the threatened or contemplated action of the United States in regard to the ICC treaty was that of the world’s most isolated and repressive state under the tutelage of Kim Jong Il.
—Myint Zan

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There are contradictory numbers of who signed on to the "ICC -Rome Statue" in those two quotes, but I remember Bush saying he didn't want his trooops hauled to court for doing their job.
His own hide was likely the main factor.
 

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Note- "ICC" is abb. for International Criminal Court

For the ICC to come into force, the Rome Statute needed 60 countries to ratify it. This meant delegates had to bring the treaty home and pass it through their nation's government for it to become law. On July 7, 2000, Canada became the 14th nation to ratify.

On May 6, 2002, President George W. Bush repudiated Clinton's signature.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/warcrimes/icc2.html

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http://www.worldpress.org/Europe/594.cfm

When the International Criminal Court (ICC) treaty was adopted in Rome on July 1998 by over 120 countries, the United States was one of only seven countries which voted against it. The United States was concerned about its nationals being “dragged before the ICC” for “politically motivated prosecutions”....Dubya’s dubious move or contemplated action of “unsigning” the ICC treaty would be unprecedented in the legal history of the United States and also probably in the annals of modern international law....It is ironic that the closest parallel to the threatened or contemplated action of the United States in regard to the ICC treaty was that of the world’s most isolated and repressive state under the tutelage of Kim Jong Il.
—Myint Zan

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There are contradictory numbers of who signed on to the "ICC -Rome Statue" in those two quotes, but I remember Bush saying he didn't want his trooops hauled to court for doing their job.
His own hide was likely the main factor.

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ICC - upcoming cases, news releases etc:
http://www.icc-cpi.int/press/pressreleases.html
 

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If there was ever a time in history to impeach
a President of the United States, it would be now.”

-Barbara Streisand

“If there was ever a time in history to impeach a President of the United States, it would be now. In my opinion, it is two years too late … Shouldn't war be an absolute last resort? We went to war because we were misled. And we should be angry because of the 2,000 American soldiers and the 200 armed coalition forces that have died. We should be livid because of the 15,000 American soldiers that have been horribly maimed and wounded. We should be disgusted because of the 30,000 innocent Iraqi civilians that have been killed and the 20,000 that are wounded after administration officials claimed that the US was going to liberate the Iraqi people. When does it stop? It stops with the indictment and impeachment of this corrupt, power-hungry, greedy group of incompetent leaders. How many more have to die before this happens?”
- Barbara Streisand
 

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It's funny how they wanted to impeach Clinton for sleeping around (which is nobody's business except him and his wife) but they wont impeach Bush for lying about WMD, and torture and a whole shopping list of things. Whats wrong with the US?
 

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Gonzo said:
It's funny how they wanted to impeach Clinton for sleeping around (which is nobody's business except him and his wife) but they wont impeach Bush for lying about WMD, and torture and a whole shopping list of things. Whats wrong with the US?

I keep asking the self....that same question. Wonder if a sexual liason is more offensive to americans than lies , about invading other nations and killing in said nation for a resource that the americans would be lost without.

Clinton's conduct was None of their business......and romantic liansons is the lifestyle of most US presidents. So he lied about that. What man wouldn't.......until he had to come clean.??

but DELIBERATELY CREATING a story /lie. fabrication in order to invade, kill, torture, by bombs, or by fear is as criminal as it gets.........and yet there is no outrage. This speaks volumes to the so called "standards" the americans claim to have. they might have fanatical religious freaks preaching from their posh temples......but they have no moral /ethical standards. It is like the americans are in collusion with the lies.......as their fear of running out of oil is greater than their so called "Moral " standard. Lest not forget that oil and big bucks are cojoint twins....and a big factor in the bush dynasty history.

americans could care less about the Iraqis. They don't know the culture and lifestyle.....and again, could care less. It is about imposing their will on others ........even by killing, torturing or whatever devious method they can come up with. Then they have the nerve to wonder why they are so resented...... :withstupid: :banghead: :banghead:

can you imagine if a democrat pres had done what the repub leader has done.? The ravaging republicans would be tearing them up limb from limb and gouging for blood. Very uncivlized ....them neocons..(neanderthal mindset???)
 

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It's funny how they wanted to impeach Clinton for sleeping around (which is nobody's business except him and his wife) but they wont impeach Bush for lying about WMD, and torture and a whole shopping list of things. Whats wrong with the US?

I don't think it's a question of prudishness, although that is a factor in mainstream America which is ironic, given the size of the porn industry, sexualisation of youth for advertising and other purposes --check out the handling of the Jonbenet Ramsey murder story by the press (shudder!)-- not to mention the preoccupation with sex on TV.

The "Christian" pretentions of the country may explain the prurient fascination with sex: as a buddy of mine used to say, if you want to get laid in a Southern American town, check out the Bible Colleges.

The real reason for the attacks against Clinton is a concerted effort by the economic Right (for lack of a better grouping) who have been organising via think-tanks, pressure groups and an increasingly sophisticated media campaign to dictate the terms of the political discourse in the US since the Goldwater campaign in 1964. I say "economic" because it is economic interests that are ultimately concerned, though they will employ the "useful idiots" of the socially and religiously conservative herds, who'll cut off their economic noses to spite their Bible-believing faces.

In Blinded By the Right and What Liberal Media, David Brock and Eric Alterman respectively, give detailed and well-referenced accounts of the history of the rise of the Right-Wing Propaganda Machine. I believe a recent issue of Harper's does the same in an article called "The Tentacles of Rage".

It was the same people who fund the American Enterprise Institute, buy up Ann Coulter's crap so it gets on bestseller lists, fund Rush Limbaugh's radio show etc, etc who launched the witch hunt against Clinton in Whitewater and when that failed, made sure that Monicagate became the national preoccupation and drafted incompetent, unethical boob Kenneth Starr to handle the dirty work.

Faux News is, of course, the major propaganda wing of these special interests and they led the blatantly biased coverage for Bush against Gore in 2000, when it was falsely claimed and repeated that Gore said he "invented the Internet".

I have to admire their power in the most recent election. I'm in awe!

They convinced a substantial number of American idiots that the guy who deserted from a rich-boy champagne unit of the National Guard was a war hero, while a man who had seen combat in one of the most dangerous arenas of the Vietnam War and who had won the Purple Heart and Bronze and Silver stars came off as a coward who didn't have the stomach for war because he then had the moral courage to testify against the unjust war he had risked his life in before a Congressional committee.

Those guys ARE effective when the audience is ignorant!

Of course the corollary (proof?) of the above is the very tepid response in the media to the crimes of the Bush administration and the complete denial of wrongdoing in the conservative-subservient media outlets like Faux and the Moonie (Washington) Times.
 

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Those guys ARE effective when the audience is ignorant!


this is actually very concerning. Not sure it is "ignorance" as such or that the audience is the end product of the dumbing down process that has been going on for some time.... and the last two elections show that it has worked.
 

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this is actually very concerning.

You're right of course, OB. In fact, the systemic problems with media that Chomsky and Herman have pointed out, while still true, don't take into account this concerted campaign to propagandise the US electorate. And while their overall ignorance, makes it easier, the techniques used to diffuse and derail dissenting points of view make Goebbels look like an amateur. As someone observed, the Right isn't interested in WINNING the debate. They just want to muddy the waters enough that no-one will seriously object to their programme.

And our friend Nascar_James, who has publicly admitted he would vote for Bush again :drunken: , is proof that a substantial portion of the US has no idea what's going on.Despite the clear evidence, some still see mud.
 

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Despite the clear evidence, some still see mud.

how true. (well, there are some who do SEE.....but their voices have essentially be silenced now). It is a challenge to comprehend that what normally would be rather intelligent people......would be this .......conditioned by their own rhetoric. Many CHOOSE not to see. Many are AFRAID to see the truths.

Mind you if one were unfortunate enough to have to watch the US media (news ) without any other alternatives.....one might be dumbed down too. Some topics (safe ones) are overplayed ad nauseum......( form of brainwashing??-mental conditioning) while critically important issues are barely mentioned /underplayed. The us news is not about informing the public.....it is about theater and ratings. Another deterioration where money is the controlling factor.
 

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Some of the most important decisions about U.S. national security – including vital decisions about postwar Iraq – were made by a secretive, little-known cabal. It was made up of a very small group of people led by Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld."


~ Col. Lawrence B. Wilkerson, Colin Powell’s former chief of staff, October 25, 2005



"A cabal of ideologues who revel in the idea of waging World War IV has worked its way into the White House, and is being given the run of the place. … It's ugly, even monstrous – and it just may work. What could stop it, however, is if enough people … catch on to the neocons' wargame – and decide it's time to pull the plug."
 

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Jay said:
Gonzo said:
It's funny how they wanted to impeach Clinton for sleeping around (which is nobody's business except him and his wife) but they wont impeach Bush for lying about WMD, and torture and a whole shopping list of things. Whats wrong with the US?

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Production/files/podhoretz1205advance.html


Who Is Lying About Iraq?


the bush gang and all his blind supporters....

and this might explain why his (albeit dwindling) supporters continue to be "believers:"



Why is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote for him. Why is he there? And I tell you this morning that he's in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this: Lt Gen William Boykin, speaking of G. W. Bush, New York Times, 17 October 2003

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God gave the savior to the German people. We have faith, deep and unshakeable faith, that he was sent to us by God to save Germany. Hermann Goering, speaking of Hitler

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"I went down on my knees and prayed to Almighty God for light and guidance … and one night late it came to me this way.… We could not leave (the Philippines) to themselves--they were unfit for self-government--and they would soon have anarchy and misrule over there worse than Spain's was.… There was nothing left for us to do but take them all and educate the Filipinos, and uplift and Christianize them.": President William McKinley

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A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side: Aristotle
 

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The stage has been set for the impeachment of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Their lies have been laid bare. The popular sentiment in the United States has turned dramatically against the administration. As their war crimes and attempted usurpation of Constitutional government are continuously revealed, more and more prominent people are joining the movement, and taking the step of publicly calling for impeachment.

Bush and Cheney are hoping that they can escape accountability because of the shameful timidity of their Congressional critics. But even this fact won't save them as the people of the United States become convinced that the government lied to them about its plans to wage a naked war of aggression.

from Impeachbush.org.