CIA & "Secret" Terrorism Prisons

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CIA runs secret terrorism prisons abroad: report
Wed Nov 2, 2005 08:53 AM ET
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The CIA has been holding and interrogating al Qaeda captives at a secret facility in Eastern Europe, part of a covert prison system established after the September 11, 2001, attacks, The Washington Post reported on Wednesday.
The Soviet-era compound is part of a network that has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand and Afghanistan, the newspaper reported, citing U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement.

Thailand denied it was host to such a facility.

"There is no fact in the unfounded claims," government spokesman Surapong Suebwonglee said.

The newspaper said the existence and locations of the facilities were known only to a handful of officials in the United States and, usually, only to the president and a few top intelligence officers in each host country.

The CIA has not acknowledged the existence of a secret prison network, the Post said. A CIA spokesman did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

The prisons are referred to as "black sites" in classified U.S. documents and virtually nothing is known about who the detainees are, how they are interrogated or about decisions on how long they will be held, the report said.

About 30 major terrorism suspects have been held at black sites while more than 70 other detainees, considered less important, were delivered to foreign intelligence services under a process known as "rendition," the paper said, citing U.S. and foreign intelligence sources.

The top 30 al Qaeda prisoners are isolated from the outside world, they have no recognized legal rights and no one outside the CIA is allowed to talk with or see them, the sources told the newspaper.

The paper, citing several former and current intelligence and other U.S. government officials, said the CIA used such detention centers abroad because in the United States it is illegal to hold prisoners in such isolation.

The Washington Post said it was not publishing the names of the Eastern European countries involved in the covert program at the request of senior U.S. officials.

The officials argued that disclosure could disrupt counterterrorism efforts or make the host countries targets for retaliation, the newspaper said.

The secret detention system was conceived shortly after the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington, when the working assumption was that another strike was imminent, the report said.

Surapong, the Thai government spokesman, said Bangkok was probably mentioned because it helped catch Hambali, an Indonesian accused of being Osma bin Laden's key link to Southeast Asia, in 2003.

Thailand's security cooperation with the United States would have to be done "in an open and legitimate manner," he said.


One HAS to wonder what goes on in there and why they are so "secret". People have been killed if they get too close to them. How far is the usRegime prepared to go using " security reasons" as an excuse??)

(well, Hitler had his "concentration " camps...... so might this be the new and "improved" version of same.......only US style??? Possible?? Probable?? )
 

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Spain probes 'secret CIA flights'

Spain is launching an investigation into claims that CIA planes carrying terror suspects made secret stopovers on Spanish soil.

Interior Minister Jose Antonio Alonso made the announcement on Spanish television on Tuesday.

He said that if proven, such activities could damage relations between the Spanish and US governments.

According to Spanish press reports, the CIA is suspected of having used Majorca for such prisoner transfers.

Well I hope they get to bottom of it. Read rest of it by clicking link at top.
 

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I don't like this at all.

There is no excuse for torture.

If the Americans are not torturing these people, why are they kept in secret "black sites".

There are alternate explanations, but none that stand up to close scrutiny.

I don't like this one at all. And, as you know, I am a supporter of both the war in Iraq and the war on terror.

Time for the Yanks to come clean on this one.
 

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If the Americans are not torturing these people,

sorry...........but americans ARE torturing these people. Information is coming out more and more now. Sadly the US will not allow the Red Cross or any humane society to visit these prisons (Gulags??? ) to see what is going on there. People have been shot if they get too close to the perimeters of these gulags.

so yes,..........why the need for such secret prisons if america has nothing to hide???

and yes........it is very concerning.......and more nations are asking serious questions about it. So far the arrogant SOB s in washington act like they can do as they wish and don't have to account to no one.

but as more info comes out and more investigations take place ....... some semblance of truth will emerge. The world will know where the bodies are buried. (figuratively speaking)
 

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http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051114/OPINION02/511140349/1016/OPINION

more on same... :(


the US has abused the "terrorist" excuse in order to fullfill other agenda......... and that is what is even more conerning.Particularly when no one can believe a word they say.

sorry, the link might or might not work.......so an excerpt is called for:

The 'disgrace of our nation'

And the scandals don't stop. Now, reportedly, the CIA has a system of secret prisons, so-called "black sites" where terrorist suspects are held and subjected to "enhanced interrogation techniques," which are prohibited by U.N. convention and U.S. military law. At various times in the past four years, these secret facilities have been in eight countries, and apparently are now in former Soviet bloc countries. More than 100 "suspected" terrorists have disappeared into this secret system.

After the scandals of Abu Ghraib, Gitmo and the flap over extraordinary rendition, you would think the current administration would start thinking more clearly about such terms as "human rights," "innocent until proven guilty" and "the right to legal representation." It used to be that the U.S. was considered the beacon of democracy to the rest of the world. Now, with people "disappearing" into "black sites," our government should be equated with other third-rate dictatorships.



Shame on the Bush administration for dragging our country down into the slime. Shame on The Courier-Journal for burying this latest scandal on page 7. Shame on Rep. Anne Northup for rubber-stamping, without question, everything this administration puts forth. Shame on our senior senator, Mitch McConnell, for being more concerned about Republican domination and business interests than what is best for the American people. And shame on us, the American people, for not picking up a pen or the phone to protest the ongoing disgrace of our nation.

CAROLINE CHAN

Louisville 40243

'What sad, sad times'
Has there ever been a time in our country's history when a sitting president must defend his administration against charges and questions about the use of torture, while at the same time, his vice president lobbies for the use of it? What sad, sad, times we live in.

HUGH McCARTY

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'This deliberate ruse'
I am appalled that the Bush administration would use our understandable fear of terrorists as leverage to help sell the ridiculous idea that, in order for President Bush to protect us, Congress must exempt the CIA from the McCain amendment requirement to treat detainees humanely.

The interrogation methods that we historically called "torture" are now called "extreme interrogation methods" by this administration. This deliberate ruse enables Bush to say; "We don't torture." But twisting the language to narrowly define torture can't hide well-documented cases where torture was clearly used by us -- torture that sometimes resulted in the death of the detainee.

So far, we have no evidence where torture provided us with any reliable intelligence. But we do have evidence, like the evidence from the case of Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, where torture yielded bogus information.

I urge Kentuckians to go to congress.org and let Congress know that we will not allow a specious argument that plays on our fears to fool us into supporting something that distorts the laws and values our country has championed for over 200 years. While the majority of Congress currently supports the McCain amendment, they need our help to resist the extreme White House pressure to change it.

PATTY MORLAN

Louisville 40205

'Subvert the laws'
The "secret" detention centers that our country is using to harbor terrorists are interesting news. On the one hand, we are being told that the building of democracies, especially in the Mideast, is essential to our freedom. On the other hand, we are using secret prisons abroad to subvert the laws of our own democracy, which forbids such a system.

I can only assume that we want a certain percentage of the world to be undemocratic so that we can be certain to have places that will allow us to lock up people undemocratically in order to promote democracy.
 

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U.S. has detained 83,000 in war on terror

WASHINGTON -- The United States has detained more than 83,000 foreigners in the four years of the war on terror, enough to nearly fill the NFL's largest stadium. The administration defends the practice of holding detainees in prisons from Afghanistan to Guantanamo Bay as a critical tool to stop the insurgency in Iraq, maintain stability in Afghanistan and get known and suspected terrorists off the streets.


No wonder they need all these so called jails.
 

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You know I hear a lot of righteousness about this subject from both radical right and liberal left.

I think both camps are wrong.

The radical right knows that the liberal left will be the first to whine why their government did not protect them.

All of us know that is true.

And the Liberal Left knows that the radical right is wrong about the morality of pre-emption. If any of you have seen the movie, Minority Report, then you will know it is about the police state developing the ability to arrest a criminal before he even dreams of the crime he is about to commit.

What a quandary, and no one has the answers, and shame at any of you who are so smug that you do.
 

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The radical right knows that the liberal left will be the first to whine why their government did not protect them.

It might be an idea for nations ....US in particular to examine why they need all this "defense" and protection to begin with. All this goes a lot deeper into the human equation......and none of it can be resolved with a zillion security measures.

How can a gov't claim to "protect" it's population when it goes about angering ,antagonizing ,PROVOKING everyone on the planet. That is a self fullfilling conduct and prophecy.

It is a much smaller world now.......communications are rapid, international leaders can meet quickly to resolve major issues....so how about we try something called peaceful /rational dialogue. ( what a concept)

security is one thing........but terrorism/ torture and secrecy about same is reverting to a more primative era. If you want trust.......you gotta earn it. And it ain't gonna happen with the direction the US is going.
 

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Ocean Breeze, you can only get an answer that is equivocal to your question.

The answer to your point is both a YES and a NO.

We know the critics will come out to complain why their government did not forsee a danger to their own population. You know this is true.

You are also correct about the complexity of it in that angering and antagonizing does nothing for our protection.

But your are also wrong in the whole psychology of it all because if you look through the long span of history you will find that even if you do not antagonize you will be unsafe and be vulnerable to attack by a malignant evil that does not rationalize things in the logical way you do.
 

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Suspicious Flights Probed in "CIA-Jails" Scandal



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The Council of Europe will probe into 31 suspicious flights that have landed in Europe in relation to the alleged secret CIA jails in Eastern Europe.

The organization "Human Rights Watch" provided a list with flights that were reportedly used by the CIA for transportation of prisoners. Swiss Senator Dick Marty, appointed by the Council's parliamentary assembly (PACE) to investigate the allegations, announced in Paris that he had requested information about the flights.

Marty also added that he had asked the EU's satellite center in Spain for photos of objects in Poland and Romania that were pointed as possible secret jails by "Human Rights Watch". According to the organization the CIA jails might be located in the Romanian air base "Mihail Kogalniceanu" and the Polish "Szczynto-Szymany" airport. The assumptions were based on data concerning CIA flights between 2001 and 2004.

CIA planes have probably landed at the airports in Palma de Mallorca, Larnaca (Cyprus), and Shannon (Ireland), Marty's report states.

The scandal broke out after the Washington Post reported in an article of November 2 that the CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe.

"The secret facility is part of a covert prison system set up by the CIA nearly four years ago that at various times has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand, Afghanistan and several democracies in Eastern Europe, as well as a small center at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba," the Washington Post reported, citing current and former intelligence officials and diplomats from three continents.

The secret prisons were established with the approval of George Bush six days after the September 11 attacks, Dana Priest has written in the Washington Post.

Poland, Thailand, and Bulgaria have refuted the newspaper's allegations.


secret prisons, secret concentration camps...........what is the real difference. How long will "national security " be used as an excuse to hide US dirty activities.

Notice how quick bush was to set this system up??? Talk about an opportunist. :x
 

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Nov. 24, 2005 — A can of Ensure is the highlight of Thanksgiving for the dozen or so top al Qaeda terrorists in the CIA's secret overseas prisons.

Besides the repetitive playing of rap music, they have been made to talk by harsh treatment that includes water boarding, in which water is poured over the face to make them think they are drowning.



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"The person believes they are being killed, and as such it really amounts to a mock execution," said John Sifton, the Afghanistan researcher at Human Rights Watch.

The inmates rarely see daylight, and the CIA gives them the bare minimum to make sure they do not die in U.S. custody. That includes the cans of Ensure and shots of vitamin B12.

Yet, U.S. officials have little sympathy for the prisoners. Collectively, they have admitted responsibility for the deaths of several thousand innocent civilians.
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CIA jail suspicion falls on Romanian base

MIHAIL KOGALNICEANU AIR BASE, Romania — In a weedy field on this wind-swept military base, Romanians in greasy combat fatigues tinker with unmanned drone aircraft near a ragged lineup of rusting MiG-29 fighter jets.

There's not an American in sight, but the sprawling Soviet-era facility has become a key focus of a European investigation into allegations the CIA operated secret prisons where suspected terrorists were interrogated.