Bush told Blair of 'going beyond Iraq'

[jjw1965]

George Bush told Tony Blair shortly before the invasion of Iraq that he intended to target other countries, including Saudi Arabia, which, he implied, planned to acquire weapons of mass destruction.
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[no1important]

RE: Bush told Blair of 'g

Well I am not surprised but will the public support his colonization goals? There would be so much needless death on both sides.

What scares me is, before his term is up, if he does try to invade Syria, Iran, North Korea or anyother place his delusions tell him that may have wmd's, harbour terrorists, even if it is proven they do not or have governments that do not tow the USG policey line.

He could very easily start ww3, if he is not reigned in.

 

[Ten Packs]

It's not HIS delusions that you should worry about; he is too stupid to have any of consequence. But he is a hand-puppet for PNAC - THAT is a different story....

 

[jjw1965]

But he is a hand-puppet for PNAC

 

[unclepercy]

Re: RE: Bush told Blair of 'g

Well I am not surprised but will the public support his colonization goals? There would be so much needless death on both sides.

What scares me is, before his term is up, if he does try to invade Syria, Iran, North Korea or anyother place his delusions tell him that may have wmd's, harbour terrorists, even if it is proven they do not or have governments that do not tow the USG policey line.

He could very easily start ww3, if he is not reigned in.

Pssst! Everybody in Canada better move about 500 miles further north. Just to be safe .... you know, since you're scared. That
would make a nice de-militarized zone, that we would be glad to keep an eye on for ya'll. What if you came home, and Calgary was suddenly New Orleans? Just kiddin. :lol:

Uncle

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Bush told Blair of 'g

Well I am not surprised but will the public support his colonization goals? There would be so much needless death on both sides.

What scares me is, before his term is up, if he does try to invade Syria, Iran, North Korea or anyother place his delusions tell him that may have wmd's, harbour terrorists, even if it is proven they do not or have governments that do not tow the USG policey line.

He could very easily start ww3, if he is not reigned in.

Pssst! Everybody in Canada better move about 500 miles further north. Just to be safe .... you know, since you're scared. That
would make a nice de-militarized zone, that we would be glad to keep an eye on for ya'll. What if you came home, and Calgary was suddenly New Orleans? Just kiddin. :lol:

Uncle

NOT FUNNY..... :roll:

 

[mrmom2]

Uncleprick another neocon :roll: Well prick boy I'm back and ready to slap your sorry ass around ya Want a piece of me bring it on :evil:

 

[jjw1965]

Welcome Back Fellow Neocon Stomper!

 

[unclepercy]

Uncleprick another neocon :roll: Well prick boy I'm back and ready to slap your sorry ass around ya Want a piece of me bring it on :evil:

I did bring it on and you weren't able to handle it.

Uncle

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Where is neocon hunter when you need him?? :wink:

 

[neocon-hunter]

Re: RE: Bush told Blair of 'g

Well I am not surprised but will the public support his colonization goals? There would be so much needless death on both sides.

What scares me is, before his term is up, if he does try to invade Syria, Iran, North Korea or anyother place his delusions tell him that may have wmd's, harbour terrorists, even if it is proven they do not or have governments that do not tow the USG policey line.

He could very easily start ww3, if he is not reigned in.

Pssst! Everybody in Canada better move about 500 miles further north. Just to be safe .... you know, since you're scared. That
would make a nice de-militarized zone, that we would be glad to keep an eye on for ya'll. What if you came home, and Calgary was suddenly New Orleans? Just kiddin. :lol:

Uncle

Who's scared Uncle? Only you neo cons are scared as you seem to like to spread fear. Why don't you stay in <snip location> with all your Bush loving friends and spread fear and neoconism's down there in the bbq city.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

[quoteand spread fear and neoconism's ][/quote]


isn't that what BIG BULLIES do??? 'cause they ain't smart enough to do much else??? except 'intimidate" ???


hi there n-hunter.

 

[neocon-hunter]

RE: Bush told Blair of 'g

Hi back Ocean. I was out camping around Lillooet lake this last week for some last season fishing before the lake turns. Nice some days but rained a lot too.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Bush told Blair of 'g

Hi back Ocean. I was out camping around Lillooet lake this last week for some last season fishing before the lake turns. Nice some days but rained a lot too.

good for you..!! :thumbleft:

 

[unclepercy]

Uncleprick another neocon :roll: Well prick boy I'm back and ready to slap your sorry ass around ya Want a piece of me bring it on :evil:

Take that!

Uncle

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Uncleprick another neocon :roll: Well prick boy I'm back and ready to slap your sorry ass around ya Want a piece of me bring it on :evil:

Take that!

Uncle

shame, shame on you for bringing those gorgeous penguins into this......

fight your own battles... :roll: whatever they are.

 

[jjw1965]

unclepercy wrote:
Take that!

Uncle

Take this!

 

[Ocean Breeze]

unclepercy wrote:
Take that!

Uncle

Take this!

A prize winning Cover . :wink:

(hope they are printed and ready for use.....;-)

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Administration's Tone Signals a Longer, Broader Iraq Conflict
By DAVID E. SANGER
WASHINGTON, Oct. 16

For most of the 30 months since American-led forces ousted Saddam Hussein, the Bush administration has argued that as democracy took hold in Iraq, the insurgency would lose steam, because Al Qaeda and the opponents of the country's interim government had nothing to offer Iraqis or the people of the Middle East.

President Bush has often repeated that argument. Earlier this year, for example, he made the case to troops at Fort Bragg, N.C., that as democratic institutions took root in Iraq and beyond, "the terrorists will lose their sponsors, lose their recruits, and lose their hopes for turning that region into a base for attacks on America and our allies around the world."

On Sunday, as he returned to Washington from Camp David, Md., Mr. Bush celebrated what may be the biggest step yet in his administration's project to rebuild Iraq from the ground up: the holding of a nationwide referendum on a new constitution accompanied by little insurgent activity. But inside the administration, even that seems to provide little solace. Senior officials say the intelligence reports flowing over their desks in recent months argue that even if democratic institutions take hold, the insurgency may strengthen.

Even so, several officials on Sunday repeated their conviction that, sooner or later, the insurgency will collapse. "There is no political base any longer for this insurgency," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on "Fox News Sunday." "The Sunnis are joining the base of this broad political process. That will ultimately undo this insurgency. But of course, they can still pull off violent and spectacular attacks."

In recent weeks, though, Mr. Bush's description of the future, in Iraq and beyond, has undergone a subtle but significant change. In several speeches, he has begun warning that the insurgency is already metastasizing into a far broader struggle to "establish a radical Islamic empire that spans from Spain to Indonesia." While he still predicts victory, he appears to be preparing the country for a struggle of cold war proportions.

It is a very different tone than administration officials sounded in the heady days after Saddam Hussein's fall, and then his capture.

After an extensive debate inside the White House, Mr. Bush has begun directly rebutting the arguments laid out in manifestos and missives from Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, Mr. bin Laden's top aide. He did so again on Saturday, quoting from one of Mr. Zawahiri's purported letters - one whose authenticity is still the subject of some question - predicting that the Iraq war would end like Vietnam did, and that, in Mr. Bush's words, "America can be made to run again." He argued anew that the terrorist leader was "gravely mistaken."

"There's always the question of whether we give these guys more credibility by directly addressing their arguments," one of Mr. Bush's most senior aides said recently. "But the president was concerned that we hadn't described Iraq to the American people for what it is - a struggle of ideologies that isn't going to end with one election, or one constitution, or even a string of elections."

For an administration that has recalibrated and re-explained its strategy in Iraq many times in the past 30 months, that latest turn may be a recognition of changed realities.

A year ago, Mr. Bush interpreted his re-election as a public embrace of his strategy and its willingness to bear the cost in lives and money to get Iraq on its feet. But now, the pressure is building for a pathway out. The passage of the constitution, some of Mr. Bush's political aides say, is bound to fuel those calls.

"All fall, we've been hearing the question, 'When does this begin to end?' " one of Mr. Bush's senior strategists said a few weeks ago, insisting on anonymity because of the delicacy of the issue inside the White House. The White House, he added, was trying to head off what some officials fear could be a broader split in the party over the war come spring, as midterm elections approach and Republicans seeking re-election are tempted to join the call for a timetable for drawing down troop levels.

The change is clear in what Mr. Bush is saying - but also in what he and his aides are no longer saying.

In the prelude to the war and in the early days of the occupation, Mr. Bush and top members of his national security team compared the effort to remake Iraq to the American occupations of Japan and Germany. As the insurgency grew - a feature missing from those two successful occupations - they dropped that comparison. Richard Armitage, the deputy secretary of state under Colin L. Powell, argued in an interview recently published by an Australian magazine, The Diplomat, that it was a flawed way of thinking from the start.

"Those who argued at the time that the acceptance of democracy in Iraq would be easy, and who drew on our experience with Japan and Germany, were wrong," he said. "First of all, Germany and Japan were homogeneous societies. Iraq is not." He added that the German and Japanese populations were "exhausted and deeply shocked by what had happened," but that Iraqis were "un-shocked and un-awed."

Now administration officials are beginning to describe the insurgency as long-lasting, more akin to Communist insurgencies in Malaysia or the Philippines, but with a broader and more deadly base. Even conservatives who supported Mr. Bush's decision to go to war say the change in tone is welcome.

"I think the president has been consistent," said Eliot A. Cohen, a professor at Johns Hopkins University who has written extensively on the nature of civilian command and is sometimes consulted by the administration. "But they've had people, myself among them, beating them up for happy talk and not making an argument" about the nature of the struggle.

"I do think they are making more of an effort to explain themselves," he added. "But it took pressure from their friends, and political pressure as well, to overcome a reluctance about what they were really doing."

Others take a harsher view. Kenneth Pollack, a former C.I.A. analyst and now a scholar at the Brookings Institution, said Mr. Bush's new tone reflected "the fact that their whole theory about how this is going to work out isn't working, and almost certainly isn't going to work." He added, "The theory that democracy is the antidote to insurgency gets disproven on the ground every day."

The real test may come after parliamentary elections, which, if the constitution is found to have passed this weekend, are scheduled for mid-December. After that time, a senior administration official noted with some dread in his voice, "there are no more democratic landmarks for us to point to - that's when we learn whether the Iraqi state can stay together."

 

[unclepercy]

unclepercy wrote:
Take that!

Uncle

Take this! >deleted<

Hey, Ohio, I don't need you to fight Mr. Mom's battles, and neither
does he. Stay out of it. He was the one who said "Bring it on."
Meddler.

Percy