EU says internet could fall apart

[jjw1965]

A battle has erupted over who governs the internet, with America demanding to maintain a key role in the network it helped create and other countries demanding more control.
The European commission is warning that if a deal cannot be reached at a meeting in Tunisia next month the internet will split apart. more

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: EU says internet coul

Nobody should control the internet...not the US, not China, not the EU.

They should start a world-wide not-for-profit that is mandated to do nothing but hand out names to whoever wants them. Disputes should be settled in courts recognising international law, not US or California law.

 

[p106_peppy]

nothing will ever happen if it's not for profit. would you want finance a million porn sites with nothing in it for yourself?

The whole idea with the internet, is that there is no one centeral location, everything is spread out and networked together. No one can own the internet, rather, governments can only try to controll the servers located in their country, and isps can controll what sites are accessed.

Now I will read the article.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: EU says internet coul

We wouldn't be financing the porn sites, Peppy. There would still be ISps and all of that. Nothing would change except that we wouldn't be operating at the leisure of Uncle Sam.

Right now the US government controls the internet. So far they've chosen not to do much of anything with that control, but the concern is that they will make such a choice in the future. That could be damaging to those in other countries.

 

[p106_peppy]

ok, I sorta read the article, and here's what I think.

The internet will never split apart. I suppose that if certain countries get pissed off enough, they can break off, and form their own network resembeling the internet, but the internet as a whole will still remain. would the european union split off and creat its own parallell internet? Not likely, citizens would get pretty pissed if all of a sudden they could only access local sites. So the only risk of the internet spilitting apart would be in third world countries with dictatorships. I'm thinking maybe North Korea and Iran?

The bigger reason why the US controlls the internet is because most of the servers are located there. If the EU wants a bigger share in teh internet, then they'll have to finance more servers in their own countries.

People need to quit whining and blaming the USA for all their problems and do something to solve it themselfs.

 

[jjw1965]

I think this is Americas answer, from everything I've read, they wish this to be their internet of control.
http://www.internet2.edu/

 

[Reverend Blair]

People need to quit whining and blaming the USA for all their problems and do something to solve it themselfs.

These talks are an atempt to do that. The US isn't cooperating at all and has gone back on an earlier promise.

This issue is quite reminiscent of the GPS issue. Since the US would not guarantee continued access to GPS satellites, the EU decided to lauch their own version. The US did everything in its power to keep the EU, supposedly friendly countries, many of which are in a military alliance with the US, to launch its own version.

I think this is Americas answer, from everything I've read, they wish this to be their internet of control.

That kind of thing will limit cooperation within the community of higher education by limiting access of information depending which version of the internet it is published on. Considering the Bush regime's war on science, that is a very dangerous thing to do.

 

[jjw1965]

I think this is Americas answer, from everything I've read, they wish this to be their internet of control.

I think I need to expand on my comment, I ment The controlling governments answer!

That kind of thing will limit cooperation within the community of higher education by limiting access of information depending which version of the internet it is published on. Considering the Bush regime's war on science, that is a very dangerous thing to do.

Internet 2's agenda would be to limit access and to block any websites, such as mine from even being allowed to exist. If you look at the make up of internet 2, you can see government all over it.

 

[Blackleaf]

Indian newspaper - EU is wrong to want control of the Internet. Leave it with the Americans.

The Americans invented the internet and the British invented the World Wide Web. Why should EU control it?

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COUNTER VIEW: Why mess with something running smoothly?
MUKUL SHARMA

[ FRIDAY, OCTOBER 14, 2005 12:00:00 AM ]
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Take the Global Positioning System (GPS) for instance. This space-based radio navigation system, consisting of 24 satellites and ground support that provides accurate, three-dimensional position 24 hours a day, everywhere in the world, was developed by the US government.

It's also operated and maintained by it. Can user countries suddenly declare they should now be equal part of the GPS governance? Obviously not. You want to make an equivalent system, you have to invest in a new one. Which is what the Russians have already done and what the European Union is planning to do next.

Therefore, the EU's recent support for wresting effective control of the Internet from the United States and placing it with an intergovernmental group or the UN is completely unwarranted. Mainly because it was the US again which created the original system and funded much of its early development, although it was the British who created the World Wide Web

Just because the Net today impinges on the lives of all nations doesn't mean all nations have an auto-matic right to claim a full working partnership in its governance. In any case what possible benefit can accrue by taking the Internet out of the hands of a non-profit organisation like the ICANN and handing it over to a bunch of Brussels bureaucrats?

It would only represent a totally unnecessary shift in the regulatory approach from one that's based on private sector leadership to top-down governmental super-vision and control. Pretty soon that could result in the usual miasma of red tape, rules and censorship — all anathema to the free ranging and unpoliced spirit of the Net.

Also, the suggestion being made that the US has too much control over the Internet is nonsense as anyone who's surfed for anti-American sites will vouch.

Perhaps Michael Gallagher, an assistant secretary at the United States commerce depart-ment, put it across best: "(The Internet) is not just working, it's working specta-cularly". If it ain't broke why fix it?

 

[#juan]

A question?

If anyone could control the internet, how come there are a zillion ratty porn sites out there? If it were possible to block any site except on your own computer, why hasn't it been done?

 

[Reverend Blair]

Can user countries suddenly declare they should now be equal part of the GPS governance? Obviously not. You want to make an equivalent system, you have to invest in a new one. Which is what the Russians have already done and what the European Union is planning to do next.

The US vehemently opposed the Russians and the EU developing their own GPS systems though. Clearly they want to control that technology.

If anyone could control the internet, how come there are a zillion ratty porn sites out there? If it were possible to block any site except on your own computer, why hasn't it been done?

Because looking at dirty pictures all day keeps people from thinking about and acting on important things?

 

[Said1]

RE: EU says internet coul

I think an international watch dog is a good idea.

 

[Hank C Cheyenne]

The bigger reason why the US controlls the internet is because most of the servers are located there. If the EU wants a bigger share in teh internet, then they'll have to finance more servers in their own countries.

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