NEW FEDERAL “HATE” BILL MEANS FUNERAL OF FREE SPEECH

jjw1965

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NEW FEDERAL “HATE” BILL MEANS FUNERAL OF FREE SPEECH
By Rev. Ted Pike

On Sept. 14, the US House of Representatives passed, 223-199, the ominous federal “anti-hate” bill, the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2005. It was inserted as AMDT.2662 into the Children’s Safety Act. If approved unaltered by the senate judiciary, this legislation is ready for the President to sign into law.

Here is a summary of what the bill would make law:

Although AMDT.2662 ostensibly empowers the government to assist states in prosecution of violent hate crimes, its actual effect will be much more far-reaching. AMDT.2662 will lead to enforcement of the working definitions of “hate” and “hate crimes” which are enforced by the many “anti-hate” bureaucracies in countries throughout the western industrialized world. In such countries, it is now a “hate crime” to criticize members of federally protected groups such as Jews and homosexuals. Utilizing such definitions, “hate crime” indictments have been made or are currently being pursued by Canada, England, Sweden, Germany, Italy, Australia and New Zealand. AMDT.2662 builds a foundation for a “hate crimes” bureaucracy in America, also ending free speech.

Here are some of the specially protected groups which AMDT.2662 defends:

Homosexuals. Any public criticism of homosexuals will soon be considered a hate crime, just as it was for 11 Christians under the Pennsylvania hate crime law on Oct. 10, 2004. These Christians were arrested as “hate criminals” for preaching during a huge “gay pride” rally and faced 47 years in prison and $80,000 fines each.

Women. A woman who claims her boyfriend used a sexist word against her and raped her the last time they had sex, can press charges for a “hate crime” of rape. Punishment will triple the usual penalty, about 30 years in prison.

Jews. Already the Dept. of Global Anti-semitism, being established in the US State Dept., makes it “anti-semitic” to express “strong anti-Israel sentiment” against Israel or its leaders. It also says upholding the New Testament charge that Jews killed Christ is “anti-semitic.” Under “anti-hate” laws in Canada and Europe, such statements are “hate crimes” punishable by harsh fines and imprisonment.

AMDT.2662 will hasten such anti-Christianity in America as well.

ENDING FREE SPEECH RADIO

If this amendment is approved, FCC restrictions will soon descend on American talk show hosts, with lists of banned topics. Hosts will be fined or imprisoned and stations will lose their broadcast licenses, just as in Canada, if they violate these restrictions.

In Canada in Aug. 2004, “CHOI FM,” Quebec City’s most popular talk show station, was dissolved by the Canadian government. Its 33 employees were put out of work. Its offense? One of its talk show hosts criticized African dictators whose children were educated in Canadian universities. This was considered a “hate crime” against blacks.

If AMDT.2662 is passed, exactly the same will soon happen to broadcasters who stray from the new “politically correct” FCC guidelines. AMDT.2662 will also invite pedophiles, witches, warlocks, Satanists and even “sinners” to acquire special federal protection from those who criticize them, including pastors. In England especially, Satanists and witches are included under Britain’s new, stiffer “anti-hate” law.

If passed, AMDT.2662 will provide immediate special FBI, Justice Dept. and local police assistance to protected groups that claim to have been offended. As the nation saw last October in Philadelphia, on the slightest evidence of bias, police will descend on Christians, pastors, talk show hosts and station managers, indicting them with trumped-up “hate crime” charges and exorbitant penalties.

FEDERAL TAKEOVER OF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT

The sovereign rights of states to enforce the law as they see fit has posed a huge barrier to establishment of a federal “anti-hate” bureaucracy. Until now, the government has had to prove that such abuses as jury tampering, voter fraud, slavery, or crimes involving interstate commerce existed in states before they could meddle in state law enforcement. AMDT.2662 would legitimize as law several devious strategies to break down all barriers to federal intrusion.

AMDT.2662 asserts that if a violent bias crime within a state in any way affects interstate commerce, the federal government has the right to invade state law enforcement. This means that if a homosexual has been called a “faggot” and threatened to have his butt kicked by a gas station attendant, and as a result does not patronize that gas station whose products have come from across the state line, the federal government can intervene. Or if the homosexual buys a Greyhound ticket (vehicle of interstate commerce) to resettle in San Fransisco as a result of such threatened “violence,” the federal government has a green light to take over state hate crime law enforcement in that state.

AMDT.2662 asserts that bias in states is a “relic” of slavery. This bill contends that the presence of bias-motivated violent crime within a state is proof that slavery still exists in that state. This provides the same justification for intervention that the federal government had in putting down slavery during the Civil War!

Under AMDT.2662, the government can take over local law enforcement if:

States do not have “anti-hate” laws. Sec. B (b)(2A)
States are not enforcing state and federal hate laws as zealously as the federal government wishes. Sec. B (b)(2A)
States do not produce the kind of verdicts in hate crimes trials that the federal government wants. Sec. B (b)(2D)
VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION

AMDT.2662 flatly violates the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, which prohibits government from favoring any particular group.

AMDT.2662 will give hate crimes bureaucrats control of the federal anti-hate agenda. Very quickly, via enabling legislation and judicial precedent, any pretext of respect for the rights of Christians or dissenters will dissolve, as has happened under anti-hate laws in Canada, and under Pennsylvania’s ADL hate law in Philadelphia on Oct 10.

All criticism of protected groups via politically incorrect terms, such as “homosexual” or “sodomite,” will become a hate crime, just as it is under British hate law. A huge number of legal precedents will continuously widen hate law jurisdiction. Courts will quickly clog with federal indictments. Staggering backups of unresolved cases will make the federal hate law, like Roe vs. Wade, virtually impossible to repeal.

Canada provides a telescope to American legislators, warning them of the legal confusion and financial exhaustion which comes to those who run afoul of hate crimes bureaucracies. Members of the senate judiciary committee are in a position now to insist that our time-tested legal system be allowed to continue to do what it has done so well for centuries: punish all crime, including “hate crime,” according to physical evidence--- not according to the vagaries of “bias motivation.”
 

Shiva

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jjw1965, I am not knowledgeable enough on the constitutional framework/legal system of the United States to offer a fair opinion on this situation.

I can reply to the CHOI FM controversy, though. One particular shock jock's statements were responsible for the situation with its license being revoked by the CRTC, and his statements were not accurately reflected in this article. He did not criticise African dictators saying they send their students to Laval University, he said that Africans in Laval University are the children of brutal dictators (he was stereotyping all Africans in Laval University as the children of brutal dictators). He had a conversation where he even supported the euthanising of the mentally ill.

This decision of the CRTC is not final. It can be taken to federal courts, and I believe CHOI FM has decided to fight it out. It's the first time ever that a license has been revoked in this way, and many are opposed to the decision. Chances are, some compromise will be made that takes the concerns of free speech advocates into account, while still preventing people from inciting hate against minorities. In other words...the story ain't over yet.
 

mrmom2

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It seems to be for that radio station Shiva 8O Moral of the story the state is going to tell you what you can and cannot say .So much for free speech in Canada our country is becoming a police state even faster than the US :x
 

Shiva

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mrmom2 said:
It seems to be for that radio station Shiva 8O Moral of the story the state is going to tell you what you can and cannot say .So much for free speech in Canada our country is becoming a police state even faster than the US :x

Well, this legislation is in effect until it's challenged in the courts, that's true. The station is shut down till it gets a ruling in its favour. I think it was fair to get rid of that shock jock, but to call for the entire station to be shut down was too heavy handed.
 

mrmom2

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Yep I agree with you fire the jock but to put the station out of biz seems a tad harsh .I wonder if they were maybe a thorn in the side of the goverment :? Easy way to stiffle dissent :wink:
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: NEW FEDERAL “HATE” BI

First of all, this article is a piece of crap. The undertone points the author being pissed off that he can't attack minority groups any more. Tough titty, if he doesn't like blacks, Jews, or women, he'll just have to keep that to himself. Just wanted to get that out of the way.

Hate-crimes are brutally hard to prove. First, another crime has to take place, usually an assault or a murder. Second, the motive has to be proven to be motivated by hatred. One of the examples that the bigoted Ted Pike uses is:
Women. A woman who claims her boyfriend used a sexist word against her and raped her the last time they had sex, can press charges for a “hate crime” of rape. Punishment will triple the usual penalty, about 30 years in prison.

This is bullshit. The prosecutors would have to prove that the man's motivation for rape was a hatred of women. Not of a particular woman, all women. That's on top of proving that the rape occurred.

The claim about CHOI FM is a joke as well. That didn't happen under the hate crimes legislation. It happened under a CRTC ruling that they were airing inappropriate content. It wasn't a single incident that led to the license being pulled, it was a pattern of racist behaviour, religious intolerance, on-air profanity, and misogeny that led to the license being pulled. They had received several warnings in the past and chose to continue breaking the rules. Their license was pulled.

This article is typical of the kind of purposeful ignorance that is purveyed by those who think they have some sort of right to spread bile and hatred. They don't.

Somebody should tell the Reverend Ted Pike that he's a liar and a coward.
 

mrmom2

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Quick somebady call the cops or CSIS the Revs committed a hate crime see his last post :p Thats the problem Rev it goes both ways you don't have to like it but you should defend his right to say it .Otherwise your not going to be able to say anything yourself :wink:
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: NEW FEDERAL “HATE” BI

It's not a problem at all, Mom. Finding individuals despicable is perfectly legal. So is reasonable free speech. What Ted Pike is promoting is not reasonable though, it is hatred. He doesn't like Jews, that is clear in his article, so he thinks it is his right to encourage others to hate them. That isn't free speech, it's bigotry.
 

Reverend Blair

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A few tidbits from nutbag Ted's website:

This legislation gives special federal protection to select groups including homosexuals. Throughout history, many homosexuals have sodomized underage boys. Incredibly, AMDT.2662 was inserted into the text of the Children’s Safety Act of 2005 (HR3132). Many house members, too busy to read the bill, thought they were protecting children. Actually, they were doing the opposite!
Jesus commands us, in Mark 8:15, to view false Jewish leadership with suspicion. This is a warning to the United States to be wary of military and geopolitical entanglements in support of arrogant Zionist regimes in Israel.
This includes the Anti-Defamation League and its anti-Christian "hate laws," Jewish controlled Hollywood and the media, pharisaic leadership in the Jewish religion, and evil Zionist leadership in Israel.
How Christian students defied the pro-gay faculty... and won! Articles and a video gives an education to Christian high school and college students on how to make use of their school newspapers to bring Christian/conservative values to their campus. This vital educational resource gives especially important information on how to fight censorship and threats to your freedom of speech and civil rights.

Nutbag Ted's version of free speech is him having the freedom to jam his radical right religious beliefs down our throats and nobody being allowed to talk back. While he yammers about him having the right to hate gays and Jews under the guise of free speech, he wants "Christian/conservative values" taught in the schools. What about the right to free speech of non-Christians and non-conservatives?
 

mrmom2

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Like i said you don't have to like what he's saying but he should have the right to say it .Most people see through his kind of crap and those that don't are a waste of skin anyways :wink:
 

jjw1965

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Like i said you don't have to like what he's saying but he should have the right to say it .Most people see through his kind of crap and those that don't are a waste of skin anyways

I don't agree with the man either, but its one more attempt in our country to stop free speech.

Here's the actual bill from congress, read it see what you think of it.
BILL
 

mrmom2

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You can't have true free speech without having to put up with assholes Rev.You don't put up with them your not going to be able to speak your piece .You of all people no that the goverment starts taking away his right to spew there not going to stop there .They'll take our right away for us to spew here :wink:
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: NEW FEDERAL “HATE” BI

We've had hate laws here in Canada for a long time now, Mr. Mom. I've been able to say whatever the hell I like anyway. If you read the actual bill, you'll find that this is not a law you can break accidentally.
 

mrmom2

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Not yet anyways Rev .I've seen how nasty you can get with words :lol: I don't like it sorry more regulation more laws where does it all end .We have more than enough goverment regulations running our lives .Freedom maybe a long time ago not now The only freedom we have left is for the goverment to stick their hands in our pockets and take more of our money :(
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: NEW FEDERAL “HATE” BI

Even with how nasty I can get with words, I haven't broken any laws, Mr. Mom. The reason for that is simple, I don't hate any group of people based solely on their belonging to that group.

Let me put it another way...I've been known to go after Israel because of their policies and a few who were seeking to to discredit what I was saying accused me of being anti-semitic as a result. Even by the misinterpretation that those who are against hate crime legislation use that's a stretch, but that was their accusation.

I have no fear of that charge though because that charge is unfounded. I don't give a rat's ass if somebody is Jewish or not and there are plenty of Jews who are as unhappy with Israel's policies as I am.
 

mrmom2

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Hey I know that Rev :wink: Thats not the point i was trying to make .I'm just saying it will be real easy for the goverment to shut people up with these kinds of legislation .And you know how much I trust them :lol:
 

Jo Canadian

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PEI...for now
 

Karlin

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i don't mind legistlation like this at all.

nobody with anything intelligent to say will be silenced.

The protestors of "anti child-porn laws" , on the basis that it is art, were completely out of line. This world can certainly do without the artworks depicting "sexual children" or the novels on that topic.
Man-boy love might be a reality, but we maintain a morality that says "forget-about-it", it won't be missed. On that, we are willing to ban it even if we are wrong by way of being too prudish.

The same "moral mistake" is one we are more than willing to make on the side of decency , and to reduce hate crimes and speach.

It is not right to say it means the end of free speach. What, are you so full of hate that you have nothing else to say?