An open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush
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Just read that letter at his site. It speaks the truth. He should of been down there the minute it ended. But he only has a war & conquor mentality.
Just read that letter at his site. It speaks the truth. He should of been down there the minute it ended. But he only has a war & conquor mentality.
That's right No1...he's a feckin' war-prez, not a disaster-relief-pull-the-huddled-masses-from-the-rising- waters-polluted-by-rotten-meat-and-fecal-matter-prez... :roll:
just spent two days with a couple of military (Canadian). Both were outraged at Bush's deployment of military to protect property instead of saving lives. There are still people dying down there due to FEMA's lack of planning and this President's lack of compassion for the poor. Impeach his ass and then come and get those corrupt politicians in Ottawa.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4211320.stm
more messages about/to bush...... from various parts of the world.
this just might be a "turning point"...... for the USers..... to wake up and get his sorry ass out of the oval office. (not just his.....but the entire INHUMANE gang ) :twisted: :evil:
more messages about/to bush...... from various parts of the world.
this just might be a "turning point"...... for the USers..... to wake up and get his sorry ass out of the oval office. (not just his.....but the entire INHUMANE gang ) :twisted: :evil:
http://www.factcheck.org/article344.html
For what it is worth...It does point out that, with a little bit of foresight this tragedy could have been minimized.
For what it is worth...It does point out that, with a little bit of foresight this tragedy could have been minimized.
For who hid the salami it might work, but for 10,000 citizens dead, I don’t think the “it depends upon what is, is”defence will work.zenfisher said:
I think you misunderstand GL. With constant cuts to the levees over the past four years...this catastrophe could have been minimized.If the current government had a little foresight... and allowed the restructuring the Core of Engineers had recommended.I am not defending Bush, anyone who knows me can attest to the sheer disdain I have for the man. What I am presenting here is that Factcheck.com cannot entriely dismiss, that the current regime, is without blame in this tragedy.
Could we be saying the same thing, differently? :?
What I am saying is that whatever the historic causes of the levees’ collapse, Bush is only playing with words. He knew that the ACE had foreseen (and presumably informed him) that under quite possible conditions the levees’ integrity could be compromised, and water could flood New Orleans.
Yet, he ignored those warnings, consistently cut back their funding, so that a long list of projects (not improvements, but necessary repairs) could not be started.
When floods happen to inhabited cities, usually many inhabitants die — inhabitants whom he was supposed to be protecting.
He may want to think of himself as a “War President” but he was hired as the CEO of the US government.
He could not have done more to cause the inundation if he had tried. Now he is trying to hide behind the difference between two synonymous terms.
Paradoxes and weasel words might work for small indiscretions and shampoo commercials, but when it comes to 10,000 human lives (the Red Cross estimate from The Times-Picayune article “Washing Away”) I doubt that all the oil on the Gulf of Mexico can help him slide out of this debacle.
Or at least it should not.
What I am saying is that whatever the historic causes of the levees’ collapse, Bush is only playing with words. He knew that the ACE had foreseen (and presumably informed him) that under quite possible conditions the levees’ integrity could be compromised, and water could flood New Orleans.
Yet, he ignored those warnings, consistently cut back their funding, so that a long list of projects (not improvements, but necessary repairs) could not be started.
When floods happen to inhabited cities, usually many inhabitants die — inhabitants whom he was supposed to be protecting.
He may want to think of himself as a “War President” but he was hired as the CEO of the US government.
He could not have done more to cause the inundation if he had tried. Now he is trying to hide behind the difference between two synonymous terms.
Paradoxes and weasel words might work for small indiscretions and shampoo commercials, but when it comes to 10,000 human lives (the Red Cross estimate from The Times-Picayune article “Washing Away”) I doubt that all the oil on the Gulf of Mexico can help him slide out of this debacle.
Or at least it should not.
you could just said he was bullshitting 
We have no clear understanding of what bullshit is, why there is so much of it, or what functions it serves. . . . Even the most basic and preliminary questions about bullshit remain . . . not only unanswered but unasked.
-- Harry Frankfurt
We have no clear understanding of what bullshit is, why there is so much of it, or what functions it serves. . . . Even the most basic and preliminary questions about bullshit remain . . . not only unanswered but unasked.
-- Harry Frankfurt
Not only could you be, but you are. :wink:
There have been numerous articles and reports, some from the ACE, stating very clearly that a hurricane above force 3 could lead to a breach in the levees. Most of those reports and articles also stated that a hurricane above force 3 was likely since the gulf is warmer due to global warming.
You see what happened though? Georgie couldn't be seen to accept that because then he'd have to accept global warming. Not only that, but the reports about the strength of the levees were based on science too. Georgie knows that science is wrong because science contadicts his religion and interferes with his natural greed.
Precisely Rev...the past four years of cutbacks to the levees, prove that Bush has left this country vulnerable in many more ways. This stupid war has been a distraction from the fact that this President does not know how to, lead ...or govern anything. The supposed,sudden "concern" by him in New Orleans flies in the face of the reality that the poor in this country deal with.
The scary thing is ...the very people that have elected him are the ones that will suffer the most.
This forum has queried many times as to how Georgie boy got elected the second time. The simplified answer is two fold.
Their is a large section of this population working to three jobs ...just to eke by. They don't have time to vote, they're too busy surviving.
The second is the aging population...and a certain dogma they have. Some remember world War II. Most remember Korea, all remember Vietnam. None are willing to vote out a president at the time of war. This is a sign of weakness to the enemy. Now , this is a new type of enemy. One that doesn't care about the rules of war. This instills even more willingness to support a president that is inept.
The scary thing is ...the very people that have elected him are the ones that will suffer the most.
This forum has queried many times as to how Georgie boy got elected the second time. The simplified answer is two fold.
Their is a large section of this population working to three jobs ...just to eke by. They don't have time to vote, they're too busy surviving.
The second is the aging population...and a certain dogma they have. Some remember world War II. Most remember Korea, all remember Vietnam. None are willing to vote out a president at the time of war. This is a sign of weakness to the enemy. Now , this is a new type of enemy. One that doesn't care about the rules of war. This instills even more willingness to support a president that is inept.
hi zen: ......good points.. thx.
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not sure I buy into that .....either as a "reason" or an "excuse". If this new 'enemy' is terrorism........it is not new by any means. What has changed is that the bush regime has "glorified' it (terrorism) into an "enemy "......in order to go into a war foothold.........for other agendas. This approach has not deterred the "enemy" ......nor will it. In fact it plays into the "enemy's " hands.
But because it was a "local" attack...... perceptions changed, and suddenly it became a real issue. As long as it was "somewhere over there .........even if it involved US interests...... It was a minor ripple in people's lives. Again, ineptness in leadership allowed this "enemy" or issue to evolve to the degree it supposedly is now. So now the US has gone overboard in the other direction. ( a predictable behavior pattern unfortunately...... and something the "enemy" --- terrorists .....counted on. ) What we are seeing (IMHO) is a nation becoming more unstable , as there is no direction anymore. The gov't has so many fires going on right now......(over extended itself ) ......that it is more vunerable than ever.
about the question of why was bush "elected" again. That one is just too hard to figure out completely. Given his propensity for cheating/lying and plain dishonesty......It would not be a surprise to learn/verify that the elections were carefully rigged...so as not to appear rigged. Could never figure out what happened to the "anyone BUT bush " slogan/ campagne. A carefully orchestrated media presentation of "facts' , news, etc..... played a big part in it too. (IMHO.) The media (news ) has changed radically in the past four plus years. It is not news anymore. .......it is propaganda /politics with tidbits of selected information. .......and part of the "conditioning" process of a population.
quite curious to note that it is more important for bush to be 'war" president .......than president of what used to be a very fine nation. --- the latter providing him with such an opportunity to advance the US even further .....in all spheres.....particularly at home. ( poverty, global warming, new technology to reduce oil dependancy ........and gosh knows what else...) But the reality is that he is not only inept........he is psychologically dysfunctional..... and the latter makes him even harder to deal with. He is resistive to any concepts /ideas that are not his own.........and that is where his "leadership" skills are most deficient. He wanted to control far too much.......and might end up losing control of all his ventures.... (if he has not already)
fascinating changes ......but the most challenging to swallow is the constant verbal bashing......and blame game these blokes partake in. Seems they have no idea of what it means to take /be responsible. let alone admit to errors so corrective/constructive measures can be applied.
about:
not sure I buy into that .....either as a "reason" or an "excuse". If this new 'enemy' is terrorism........it is not new by any means. What has changed is that the bush regime has "glorified' it (terrorism) into an "enemy "......in order to go into a war foothold.........for other agendas. This approach has not deterred the "enemy" ......nor will it. In fact it plays into the "enemy's " hands.
But because it was a "local" attack...... perceptions changed, and suddenly it became a real issue. As long as it was "somewhere over there .........even if it involved US interests...... It was a minor ripple in people's lives. Again, ineptness in leadership allowed this "enemy" or issue to evolve to the degree it supposedly is now. So now the US has gone overboard in the other direction. ( a predictable behavior pattern unfortunately...... and something the "enemy" --- terrorists .....counted on. ) What we are seeing (IMHO) is a nation becoming more unstable , as there is no direction anymore. The gov't has so many fires going on right now......(over extended itself ) ......that it is more vunerable than ever.
about the question of why was bush "elected" again. That one is just too hard to figure out completely. Given his propensity for cheating/lying and plain dishonesty......It would not be a surprise to learn/verify that the elections were carefully rigged...so as not to appear rigged. Could never figure out what happened to the "anyone BUT bush " slogan/ campagne. A carefully orchestrated media presentation of "facts' , news, etc..... played a big part in it too. (IMHO.) The media (news ) has changed radically in the past four plus years. It is not news anymore. .......it is propaganda /politics with tidbits of selected information. .......and part of the "conditioning" process of a population.
quite curious to note that it is more important for bush to be 'war" president .......than president of what used to be a very fine nation. --- the latter providing him with such an opportunity to advance the US even further .....in all spheres.....particularly at home. ( poverty, global warming, new technology to reduce oil dependancy ........and gosh knows what else...) But the reality is that he is not only inept........he is psychologically dysfunctional..... and the latter makes him even harder to deal with. He is resistive to any concepts /ideas that are not his own.........and that is where his "leadership" skills are most deficient. He wanted to control far too much.......and might end up losing control of all his ventures.... (if he has not already)
fascinating changes ......but the most challenging to swallow is the constant verbal bashing......and blame game these blokes partake in. Seems they have no idea of what it means to take /be responsible. let alone admit to errors so corrective/constructive measures can be applied.
OB... I was refering to the "enemy" as not caring if it kills the innocent. ( of which George part deux...or duh if you prefer is also guilty of...) Actually preferring, to kill the innocent over trained military personal. As a method of shock. I agree it is not new, but is as barbaric as those that have use it or will use it in the future. As well as, a bit cowardly.It is as cowardly as lying to the populace to further your economic prosperity and political status. The problem lies in not having enough foresight and rushing in to a situation without any planning. Figuring it out as you go along just doesn't cut it, when you are asking people to die for you.
Re: RE: An open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush
Ok....zen. With you. Agree . Bush has been riding it by the "seat of his pants" most of his presidency. Tends to rush in and then try to deal with the flack as he goes along. Very poor management ........would be an understatement. Can anyone imagine running a company/business that way?? Not exactly a well oiled machine. And yes, 'barbaric" certainly describes.....
zenfisher said:
Ok....zen. With you.
Agree . Bush has been riding it by the "seat of his pants" most of his presidency. Tends to rush in and then try to deal with the flack as he goes along. Very poor management ........would be an understatement. Can anyone imagine running a company/business that way?? Not exactly a well oiled machine. And yes, 'barbaric" certainly describes.....
Re: RE: An open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush
Which is why his business ventures have been mostly failures...maybe people should have looked into that before electing him the first damn time... :lol: :lol:
Ocean Breeze said:Ok....zen. With you.
Which is why his business ventures have been mostly failures...maybe people should have looked into that before electing him the first damn time... :lol: :lol:
Re: RE: An open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush
Exactly :!: :!: his curriculum vitae ain't something to brag about. His job history is a series of near escapes and failures. His wife nearly left him due to his addiction(s) , and all this was available info for everyone to read ...... as it goes to the character of the man....as well as his capabilities. This is why it is so puzzling that a population would "vote" for someone like this into a job of such great responsibility. Makes one wonder what the population looks for as "credentials"...... in its leadership. :?:
Vanni Fucci said:Ocean Breeze said:Ok....zen. With you.
Which is why his business ventures have been mostly failures...maybe people should have looked into that before electing him the first damn time... :lol: :lol:
Exactly :!: :!: his curriculum vitae ain't something to brag about. His job history is a series of near escapes and failures. His wife nearly left him due to his addiction(s) , and all this was available info for everyone to read ...... as it goes to the character of the man....as well as his capabilities. This is why it is so puzzling that a population would "vote" for someone like this into a job of such great responsibility. Makes one wonder what the population looks for as "credentials"...... in its leadership. :?:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/sep2005/hurr-s05.shtml
bush and his perpetual scapegoating tactics. He is yet to take any responsibility for anything........*unless he puts a positive spin on it....to favor him.
insufferable !!
bush and his perpetual scapegoating tactics. He is yet to take any responsibility for anything........*unless he puts a positive spin on it....to favor him.
insufferable !!