New Orleans After Katrina

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Tuesday night, as water rose to 20 feet through most of New Orleans, CNN relayed an advisory that food in refrigerators would last only four hours, would have to be thrown out. The next news item from CNN was an indignant bellow about "looters" of 7/11s and a Walmart.

The reverence for property is now the underlying theme of many newscasts, with defense of The Gap being almost the first order of duty for the forces of law and order. But the citizens looking for clothes to wear and food to eat are made of tougher fiber and are more desperate than the polite demonstrators who guarded The Gap and kindred chains in Seattle in 1999. The police in New Orleans are only patrolling in large armed groups. One spoke of "meeting some resistance," as if the desperate citizens of New Orleans were Iraqi insurgents.

Also on Tuesday night the newscasts were reporting that in a city whose desperate state is akin the Dacca in Bangladesh a few years ago, there were precisely seven Coast Guard helicopters in operation. Where are the others? Presumably strafing Iraqi citizens on the roads outside Baghdad and Fallujah.

As the war's unpopularity soars, there will be millions asking, Why is the National Guard in Iraq, instead of helping the afflicted along the Gulf in the first crucial hours, before New Orleans, Biloxi, and Mobile turn into toxic toilet bowls with thousands marooned on the tops of houses.

The greatest concern for poor people in these days has come from President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, who ­ fresh from a chat with Fidel Castro, has announced that Venezuela will be offering America's poor discounted gas through its Citgo chain. He's says his price will knock out the predatory pricing at every American pump. Citgo should issue to purchasers of each tankful of gas vouchers for free medical consultations via the internet with the Cuban doctors in Venezuela.

No politician in America has raised the issue of predatory pricing as gasoline soars above $3. The last time there was any critical talk about the oil companies was thirty years ago.

Maybe the terrible disaster along the Gulf coast will awaken people to the unjust ways in which our society works. That's often the effect of natural disasters, as with the Mexican earthquake, where the laggardly efforts of the police prompted ordinary citizens to take matters into their own hands
 

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I think it was Nascar_James that was lauding New Orleans as a Republican stronghold...I think that after the dead have been put to rest there, and the cleanup begins, he will find that people have a much more socialist quality about them, as they must learn to share resources, and help out their neighbours in this time of need...that at least is a heartening thought, during this time of horrific tragedy...
 

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Isn't a city near the coast, and below sea level doomed anyway. Most scientist agree that global warming is going to cause sea levels to rise as much as a couple meters in the next twenty years. God, Texas could become one of the smaller states. That would certainly spur on the great rapture wouldn't it.
 

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I wonder what the residents of Richmond think of all this? They are below sea level too. Not sure by how much though.

And another media noteable notation was for the insurance companies. Why is it that people can rebuild in a hurricane zone time and time again but I could loose my theft part of my policy if I'm broke into too much.
 

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I've always wondered about that too bevvyd :? That and why does my insurance go up because of what happens in places like New Orleans .Its like when we had the fires here and everybody insurance went up :x Why theres nothing left to burn the rates should go down around here and up for places that haven't burned yet :wink:
 

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Re: RE: New Orleans After Katrina

bevvyd said:
I wonder what the residents of Richmond think of all this? They are below sea level too. Not sure by how much though.

And another media noteable notation was for the insurance companies. Why is it that people can rebuild in a hurricane zone time and time again but I could loose my theft part of my policy if I'm broke into too much.

In Winnipeg, insurance companies won't insure you if you build in a flood zone...
 

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Re: RE: New Orleans After Katrina

Vanni Fucci said:
bevvyd said:
I wonder what the residents of Richmond think of all this? They are below sea level too. Not sure by how much though.

And another media noteable notation was for the insurance companies. Why is it that people can rebuild in a hurricane zone time and time again but I could loose my theft part of my policy if I'm broke into too much.

In Winnipeg, insurance companies won't insure you if you build in a flood zone...

I always thought that how it was, and should be, at least for flood insurance.
 

#juan

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Hi Bev

I lived in Ladner for about ten years and it is definately below sea level. Funny thing is, that I never once examined our insurance policy to see what the flood coverage was. It might have been zilch. This was twenty years ago.
 

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RE: New Orleans After Kat

With the melting ice paks and the rise in sea level you will see more flooding and problems in low level cities and areas. Even with Pine Beetle, lack of snow, weird weathewr in the Praires, so many hurricanes, warming of rivers like the Fraser that affect salmon, weird and wackey weather all over the world and yet so many leaders still deny global warming.:roll:
 

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Just a snippet for the end of a wrap-up story about International Responses to Hurricane Katrina..

. . . As U.S. military engineers struggled to shore up breached levees, experts in the Netherlands expressed surprise that New Orleans' flood systems failed to restrain the raging waters.

With half of the country's population of 16 million living below sea level, the Netherlands prepared for a "perfect storm" soon after floods in 1953 killed 2,000 people. The nation installed massive hydraulic sea walls.

"I don't want to sound overly critical, but it's hard to imagine that (the damage caused by Katrina) could happen in a western country," said Ted Sluijter, spokesman for the park where the sea walls are exhibited. "It seemed like plans for protection and evacuation weren't really in place, and once it happened, the co-ordination was on loose hinges."

I bet that New Orleans will have state-of-the-art "hydraulic sea walls" or better, next time, no matter what the cost!

Too often, it takes catastrophic events like Hurricane Katrina to generate the will to implement such large expenditures.
 

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New Orleans BEFORE Katrina: BUSH_STUPID cut back funding for flood prevention!




How Not to Prepare for a Hurricane

The Progress Report. Posted August 30, 2005.


President Bush vacationed while hurricane Katrina ruined homes and lives. This behavior is par for the president's course.

In 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency ranked a major hurricane strike on New Orleans as "among the three likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing this country," directly behind a terrorist strike on New York City.

Yesterday, disaster struck.

One of the strongest storms in recorded history rocked the Gulf Coast, bringing 145 mph winds and floods of up to 20 feet. One million residents were evacuated; at least 65 are confirmed dead. Tens of thousands of homes were completely submerged.

Mississippi's governor reported "catastrophic damage on all levels." Downtown New Orleans buildings were "imploding," a fire chief said. Oil surged past $70 a barrel. New Orleanians were grimly asking each other, "So, where did you used to live?" (To donate to Red Cross disaster relief, call 1-800-HELP-NOW).

While it happened, President Bush decided to … continue his vacation, stopping by the Pueblo El Mirage RV and Golf Resort in El Mirage, California, to hawk his Medicare drug benefit plan.

On Sunday, President Bush said, "I want to thank all the folks at the federal level and the state level and the local level who have taken this storm seriously." He's not one of them. Below, we present "How Not to Prepare for a Massive Hurricane," by President Bush, congressional conservatives, and their corporate special interest allies.

SLASH SPENDING ON HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS IN NEW ORLEANS: Two months ago, President Bush took an ax to budget funds that would have helped New Orleans prepare for such a disaster. The New Orleans branch of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers suffered a "record $71.2 million" reduction in federal funding, a 44.2 percent reduction from its 2001 levels.

Reports at the time said that thanks to the cuts, "major hurricane and flood protection projects will not be awarded to local engineering firms. … Also, a study to determine ways to protect the region from a Category 5 hurricane has been shelved for now." (Too bad Louisiana isn't a swing state. In the aftermath of Hurricane Frances -- and the run-up to the 2004 election -- the Bush administration awarded $31 million in disaster relief to Florida residents who didn't even experience hurricane damage.)
 

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Yeh, dass wha' I'n talkin' 'bout

Note from jjw1965: This is a serious crisis, so don't get mad at the picture, I'm just trying to bring some cheer out of a bad event.
 

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George W. Bush gave one of the worst speeches of his life yesterday, especially given the level of national distress and the need for words of consolation and wisdom. In what seems to be a ritual in this administration, the president appeared a day later than he was needed. He then read an address of a quality more appropriate for an Arbor Day celebration: a long laundry list of pounds of ice, generators and blankets delivered to the stricken Gulf Coast. He advised the public that anybody who wanted to help should send cash, grinned, and promised that everything would work out in the end.

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We will, of course, endure, and the city of New Orleans must come back. But looking at the pictures on television yesterday of a place abandoned to the forces of flood, fire and looting, it was hard not to wonder exactly how that is going to come to pass. Right now, hundreds of thousands of American refugees need our national concern and care. Thousands of people still need to be rescued from imminent peril. Public health threats must be controlled in New Orleans and throughout southern Mississippi. Drivers must be given confidence that gasoline will be available, and profiteering must be brought under control at a moment when television has been showing long lines at some pumps and spot prices approaching $4 a gallon have been reported.

Sacrifices may be necessary to make sure that all these things happen in an orderly, efficient way. But this administration has never been one to counsel sacrifice. And nothing about the president's demeanor yesterday - which seemed casual to the point of carelessness - suggested that he understood the depth of the current crisis.

While our attention must now be on the Gulf Coast's most immediate needs, the nation will soon ask why New Orleans's levees remained so inadequate. Publications from the local newspaper to National Geographic have fulminated about the bad state of flood protection in this beloved city, which is below sea level. Why were developers permitted to destroy wetlands and barrier islands that could have held back the hurricane's surge? Why was Congress, before it wandered off to vacation, engaged in slashing the budget for correcting some of the gaping holes in the area's flood protection?

It would be some comfort to think that, as Mr. Bush cheerily announced, America "will be a stronger place" for enduring this crisis. Complacency will no longer suffice, especially if experts are right in warning that global warming may increase the intensity of future hurricanes. But since this administration won't acknowledge that global warming exists, the chances of leadership seem minimal.

gotta wonder about how bush will "profit" from this tragedy. Spin drs must be working in overdrive .... :evil:
 

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desperation, hunger., neglect, looting, shootings.....decent into anarchy.

( all in what is supposed to be the most advanced, technologically prepared country on this planet. Something very wrong with this picture. )---more and more like a "war" zone....right inside the US.