Does Anyone Know What We're Doing in Iraq?

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Paul Craig Roberts | August 30 2005


President Bush is out of touch with the American people, the US military, and international political reality.

With every poll showing smaller and smaller minorities approving of Bush and his war in Iraq, with top US generals sending signals that they want to reduce US troops in Iraq, and with the world at large viewing Bush as a fanatic who cannot acknowledge his blunders and mistakes, Bush announced in his weekly radio address that "our efforts in Iraq and the broader Middle East will require more time, more sacrifice and continued resolve."

Does Bush think he is a dictator?

The polls show that it is the American people's resolve that Bush bring his Iraq venture to an end, an orderly end if possible, but to an end. Every explanation Bush has given for his invasion of Iraq has proved to be false. Yet, Bush still speaks of "our noble cause," while taking great care to avoid Cindy Sheehan and her question, "What is the noble cause?"

Perhaps Bush supplied the answer in his reference in his weekly radio address to "our efforts in . . . the broader Middle East."

What are our efforts "in the broader Middle East"?

The only American efforts "in the broader Middle East" that have been defined are in the policy writings of Bush's neoconservative advisers who cooked up the invasion of Iraq. For the neocons, our efforts are in behalf of Israel's security.

The neocons' belief that Israel is made more secure by US military aggression in the Middle East is delusional. How is Israel made secure by an invasion that turns the Muslim world against America as all polls show and Iraq into a training ground for al Qaeda, as the CIA says has happened?

The US has been defeated in Iraq, both militarily by a limited insurgency drawn from only 20 percent of the population and politically by Iraqi divisions as the "constitutional process" demonstrates.

As Knight Ridder reported on August 25: "Insurgents in Anbar province, the center of guerrilla resistance in Iraq, have fought the US military to a stalemate. After repeated major combat offensives in Fallujah and Ramadi, and after losing hundreds of soldiers and Marines in Anbar during the past two years--including 75 since June 1--many American officers and enlisted men assigned to Anbar have stopped talking about winning a military victory in Iraq's Sunni heartland."

"I don't think of this in terms of winning," said Col. Stephen Davis, who commands a task force of about 5,000 Marines . . . The frustrating part for the (home) audience, if you will, is they want finality. They want a fight for the town and in the end the guy with the white hat wins."

That's unlikely in Anbar, Col. Davis said.

Frustrated by a determined insurgency, Bush administration officials predict that improvements will follow the Iraq constitution. However, the constitution may be leading to civil war.

Sunnis say they will reject the constitution because it leaves them out of the oil wealth, which goes to the Kurds in the north and the Shiites in the south, and because it is punitive toward the old ruling party, that is, toward Sunnis.

Perhaps it is the neocon plan for Shiites and Kurds to join the US military in a war to the death against Sunnis.

But what comes next? How would Turkey regard a largely autonomous oil rich Kurdistan on the border of its own Kurdish province?

And how would a war in Iraq between Shiites and Sunnis play out in the Middle East divided along those lines? Does the US want to wed itself to Iranian Shiites against Saudi Sunnis?

It sounds like a lot of long term instability. Perhaps the old Islamic divisions are what the US government is relying on to enable it to continue to rule the Middle East. Muslims might consume themselves in their internal hatreds while the US builds its bases to control the oil.

That's been the tried and true practice of Western colonialists since the fall of the Turkish empire after World War I.

Can it work this time? US ambitions are too much of a threat to other countries which are well positioned to cause us grief. Will the world be able to resist the opportunities to undermine an over-extended and self-righteous United States?

Sooner or later, too, Shiite and Sunni leaders will realize that they are pawns in American hands bleeding themselves in behalf of American power. Sooner or later Muslim humiliation at the hands of the US and Israel will permit an Osama bin Laden to reunify the Muslim world.

These are, of course, speculations. But history has few events without unintended and unrecognized consequences.
 

Jo Canadian

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Does Anyone Know What We're Doing in Iraq?


:? I thought it was to give them a democratic constitution.

 

Ocean Breeze

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Disposing of all those pesky WMD (Phantom) that put fear and terror in the "hearts" of bushlying cons.?????

Pretending to "establish" a new democracy in Iraq???

Controlling Iraq's natural resources......out of sheer greed.

Killing more innocent Iraqis every day and calling them "insurgents"???

Showing the world , what a WAR HUNGRY (anti Peace) nation the US is ...???
 

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If you read the Killed soldier questioned 'fucktarded' war thread you'd see that the insurgents are winning .The US is going to get run out of Iraq with there tails between their legs 8O .I feel sorry for all those men and women that have been duped into this war .Their paying a bloody price for the Bush cabals war profits :evil:
 

Ocean Breeze

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I feel sorry for all those men and women that have been duped into this war .Their paying a bloody price for the Bush cabals war profits


sometimes I wonder if they are as "duped" as we think they are. 8O :idea:
 

mrmom2

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They've been sold the lie their fighting for their country Ocean :x When i was their age if something like 911 happened here i would have signed up right away 8O You want to keep your country safe and you want to believe in your leaders ,The Bush's Martins,and Blairs of the world can be thanked for one thing .They've opened the eyes of a lot of people to the corruption in our systems of goverment. I hope its not to late to halt its spread although I'm not to sure it can be halted now :(
 

Ocean Breeze

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They've been sold the lie their fighting for their country Ocean

True enough. But ...not everyone bought into the big LIE......even with the 9-11 factor/ terrorist factor shadowing the situation .

Many Many people protested this ELECTIVE war of CHOICE.... as it did not add up from the onset. The fact that bush refused to provide proof of his claims made it suspect immediately. That was his moment of supreme arrogance.

So one has to ask: how come some are more gullible to their gov't salespitch .......while others are more discerning/questioning and demand more reliable data/facts??

As it stands , the repercussions of this and these lies are far reaching. and the US(G) has lost all credibility. (IMHO)
 

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The neocon plan for Iraq
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August 30, 2005

The upcoming Sunni-Shi'ite conflicts engineered by Khalilzad through his sabotaging of the Iraqi constitution are already starting to play themselves out. From an article in the Associated Press by Salah Nasrawi:

"The elephant in the room for all Sunnis remains Iran the Shiite theocracy next door that provided refuge to many of Iraq's current Shiite leaders during Saddam's dictatorship. Tehran has welcomed the Iraqi people taking charge of determining their own fate and drafting a constitution that respects and protects the rights of its citizens.

There is little doubt that sidelining the Sunnis would vastly increase Iran's influence in Iraq and the whole region an anathema for Sunni Arabs and a nightmare for many Washington policy-makers."


Well, some Washington policy-makers. The neocons on the ground in Iraq have ensured that Iraq will break up into three parts: a non-threatening Sunni remnant, Kurdistan, and a Shi'ite Empire led by Iran. Sunni-dominated groups in the Middle East have all spoken against it, and have all made the point that stressing the Arab identity of Iraq is the only way to avoid a catastrophic break-up of the country. Conflicts between the new Shi'ite Empire and the Sunni world will give Israel plenty of room to work towards creating Greater Israel. From the same article, here is the Israeli math:
"Shiites account for less than 15 percent of the 1 billion Muslims around the world. But they make up an estimated 60 percent of Iraq's estimated 27 million people, although Sunnis dominated the country under Saddam and earlier regimes."


The plan is so obvious, but everyone pretends not to see it. I note that this Zionist-neocon plan will not benefit the United States.