Defeating terrorists without wars

moghrabi

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We've said this before but it bears repeating: If America wants to defeat the terrorists, we have to level with ourselves and understand why so many people hate the U.S. of A.

We have to quit pretending Americans are the good guys, and pretending the terrorists "hate our freedoms," one of the more ludicrous lies of the Bush administration. More and more people around the world hate the U.S. for a better reason than that: They hate America because this nation has earned that hatred, with many U.S.-funded misdeeds over several decades, and over the last several years.

Any anti-terror plan that involves dropping bombs on cities is not an anti-terror plan, it's a plan for more terror and more terrorists. Dropping bombs might occasionally kill a terrorist, but bombs also kill innocent people, and that -- surprise, surprise -- pisses people off. It inspires more and more people to hate America. Some of those angry people will be eager to kill Americans for revenge, and since George W. Bush is surrounded by an excellent security detail, he won't be the American they kill. It will be you, or some other innocent American, or hundreds or thousands of innocent Americans, à la September 11.

So let's cut the crap and face the facts: Any anti-terror plan that doesn't start with an American president's apology for decades of atrocities is doomed and dumb, and only adds to the problem instead of really addressing it. To stop terrorism against Americans, we need to start with a loud, public apology, straight from an American president's lips on world-wide television, for every atrocity sponsored and perpetrated by US tax dollars since World War II.

There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of incidents to apologize for, and whole nations to apologize to. The apologies need to be sincere and specific, and must include the arrests of many American operatives (up to and including a few recent presidents and other high-ranking officials) who broke international, American, and various other nations’ laws.

Apologies must also include generous reparations to the families of millions of people killed by American foreign policy, and many millions more injured.

And most importantly, the apologies must include a direct, unblinking promise that such abuse of American power will never happen again.

After that painful first step, terrorism against Americans will immediately fade to a minor and rare problem, not needing a "war." And yes, it really is as simple as that.

The second step will then be easy: With international cooperation, police from America and other nations should seek out and arrest the suspected terrorists, with a special attention to the men who gave the orders.

Once arrested, these suspects -- from Osama bin Laden to George W. Bush -- should be tried in an open and international court, with the presumption of innocence, with qualified defense attorneys as needed, and with all the other rights defendants have in any fair trial.

To be credible, everything must be out in the open. The trials should be broadcast live and uncensored, without any "state secrets" held back, without any "executive privilige" to hide behind. Judges must be respectable, not scandal-ridden, charged with reaching fair verdicts and imposing fair sentences where warranted.

That's the way to end terrorism, if we really want to end terrorism.

But of course, it’s easier and more "American" to just keep bombing people all over the world, toppling their governments, meddling with their economies, keeping it all a secret from most average Americans, and pretending we’re "shocked, shocked" when terrorists strike at Americans.

by Helen & Harry Highwater
 

Ocean Breeze

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good posting mog.

"war" was never the solution to terrorism. It only compounds the issue and motivates the "terrorists" even more. What would have happened if Spain declared a military action against "terrorists" ?? And what would happen if Britain would declare military 'war" against their terrorism now??? Simply NOT the smart thing to do. (in fact ,probably the most STUPID thing to do) One does not buy into terrorism , the way the USG has done......but REACTING with war. But then we also know that just like the "terrorists" , the bush cabal had its own agenda for its wars. (agenda that had nothing to do with terrorism.......but terrorism /threat factor provided the USG with a cloak/excuse to carry out what they wanted anyhow) the reactive, military US has only fostered the cycle of violence. But even that suits the US purpose. As long as "terrorism" is alive and well, the US can use it or the threat factor to keep furthering it's geo political agenda. .....and probably continue to "war militarily " on other nations on its list . to dominate and control. The US is not interested in Peace on this planet.......anymore than "terrorists" are. Both parties continue to destablize this planet. They are working in sinc. Neither the US or the terrorists give a damn as to how many innocent people are killed. Remember the US does not do body counts. That is how little value the USG has for human life. The terrorists have about the same..
 

Karlin

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So let's cut the crap and face the facts: Any anti-terror plan that doesn't start with an American president's apology for decades of atrocities is doomed and dumb, and only adds to the problem instead of really addressing it.

For sure, its not winnable by pounding Iraq or with a "war" of any kind.

Unfortunately , Bush has this quirky behavior about never apologising, and never admitting mistakes. Its common to the Reptiles, those throwback types who enjoy so much power gained thru bully-tactics, the Elites.

There is aslo that problem with the War on Terror not being about finishing them off as much as just having war. Maybe it doesn't matter to them Bush types if its winnable or not.

Canada should make a statement that declares our opposition to invasions of soveriegn nations, eh?

Karlin
 

moghrabi

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RE: Defeating terrorists

They will call it the "unfinished war" instead of admitting their failure. This is what some Americans call the Vietnam war.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Re: RE: Defeating terrorists

moghrabi said:
They will call it the "unfinished war" instead of admitting their failure. This is what some Americans call the Vietnam war.

indeed, and by doing so, have a built in "political" basis (reason) to carry out other agenda that is within the sphere of world domination and control. Won't happen overnight, but that is their objective. In a sick way, they need the terrorist issue now.....as they can then take more political license. It is part of the total dynamic.
 

moghrabi

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RE: Defeating terrorists

By doing so, they have an open-ended war on terror. That is exactly what they want to have the door open for attacking any country that they see as "terror suspect". They could attack India on a terror basis (they will create something) if they feel that India is siding with china, for example. They play it real dirty.
 

Just the Facts

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Very interesting article, but how would Helen and Harry explain what's going on in Thailand? What is it about Thailand's foreign policy that would make it a target?

http://www.strategypage.com//fyeo/qndguide/default.asp?target=THAI.HTM

July 13, 2005: The Islamic terrorists war against education in the Moslem south is working. So far, about ten percent of the 10,000 teachers in the south have fled, and another 25 percent plan to leave. The Islamic terrorists see schools as the major obstacle to radicalizing the Moslem youth in the south.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4696829.stm

A string of public beheadings of Buddhists has signalled a gruesome twist in a conflict that has claimed more than 800 lives and injured about 1,500.
 

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Re: RE: Defeating terrorists

moghrabi said:
By doing so, they have an open-ended war on terror. That is exactly what they want to have the door open for attacking any country that they see as "terror suspect". They could attack India on a terror basis (they will create something) if they feel that India is siding with china, for example. They play it real dirty.


exactly. In truth , no one is safe from the US.......unless they tow the US line. .......and even then the US can turn on them whenever they want. on some made up excuse...or "threat".
 

Gertrood

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Very interesting article, but how would Helen and Harry explain what's going on in Thailand? What is it about Thailand's foreign policy that would make it a target?

Stay on topic please. This is a Bush bashing thread.
 

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moghrabi said:
We've said this before but it bears repeating: If America wants to defeat the terrorists, we have to level with ourselves and understand why so many people hate the U.S. of A.

Very negative quote, Mog. Tsk Tsk - I don't hate the USA. I love the USA. I love Canada. I have a little trouble with Mexico, but I'm working on it.

Bull Dog
 

Ocean Breeze

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In case you have noticed root...bush bashing goes on in all threads. You better learn to deal with it.

yes "bush bashing" is a phenomena on its own now. Reality is that there is a REASON for it. Even more so than the redneck repubs in the US had for bashing Clinton. Heck US prez bashing seems to be a passtime for some (no matter who is in charge), while others simply critique the current US regime on a justified basis.

bush is "bashed" more than .....say OBL .....because ever so much more is expected from a supposedly civilized country, gov't , leader.
 

Gertrood

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OK OC put your eyeballs back in their sockets.

To defeat Islamic terrorists you shut down their terrorist schools, their Madrassas, their Imans .
Then you deprogram the brainwashed idiots, including the homegrown ones. They need to be brought into the 19th century (the 21st is too big a jump) and taught the 12 Commandments. The extra two have to do about not treating women like chattel, and something to do with human rights.
 

Ocean Breeze

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I think not said:
Ocean Breeze said:
Gertrood said:
peapod said:
In case you have noticed root...bush bashing goes on in all threads. You better learn to deal with it.



Oh yes Canadian Values...

Gotcha.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

cheap shot and you know it :x

But the USers are free game. Ain't that right OB?


sure would seem so , AT THE MOMENT. Reasons, are obvious...and require no explanation. Mind you , things could change. It all depends on the USG and if it starts to act SMART as opposed to using muscle only and invading nations that posed no threat to them. ( and LYING so much, they all have the pinnochio syndrome.) Their convoluted LIES are an insult to the world's intelligence.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Then you deprogram the brainwashed idiots, including the homegrown ones.


and how do you propose to do this???

Does this imply re-programming "them" into your way of thinking??? What would that achieve??