G-8 Summit-Scotland

Ocean Breeze
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(have friends in Scotland. The build up to the summit ,preparations are of a magnitude not seen in some time.---according to him.

Worth following...
 
Ocean Breeze
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Bravo Galloway.

(again
 
Ocean Breeze
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a friend of mine in Scotland is planning on getting as close to this event as possible. taking his dig cam too.

should be interesting.
 
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a friend of mine in Scotland is planning on getting as close to this event as possible. taking his dig cam too.

should be interesting.
 
Reverend Blair
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Tell him to take a gas mask, a motorcyle helmet, and plenty of smokes.
 
Ocean Breeze
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Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

Tell him to take a gas mask, a motorcyle helmet, and plenty of smokes.



I will. He plans on taking a tent ......( not sure just what else he is planning..........and am scared to ask

he is a cool chap. The most dangerous thing he carries is his dig cam. and he will be some dissed off ,if they take it from him. (so will I , as I want some pics from him.
 
Reverend Blair
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It's the cameras they fear most, Ocean Breeze. That makes the most important thing your friend can take to be his digi-cam.
 
Ocean Breeze
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It's the cameras they fear most, Ocean Breeze. That makes the most important thing your friend can take to be his digi-cam.

he knows this. Being a resident of the area......he knows the place well.......and has a few unknown trails that he can use to get close. He is quite savvy........but I keep warning him to be careful and not push his luck.
 
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The boys in black uniforms will give him and his camera a beating if he gets caught I hope he can run fast Ocean
 
Ocean Breeze
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The boys in black uniforms will give him and his camera a beating if he gets caught I hope he can run fast Ocean

I am kinda hoping he does not go.......he is a daddy of three young kids and doesn' t need this crap.
 
Ocean Breeze
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protestors heading for G-8 convention site.

In this day and age of communication technology, one has to wonder why these reps have to meet in person and be faced with such expense, massive security problems, protests etc. Can't they all set up video conferencing or some kind of system that would make it so much simpler and more efficient??

think of the bucks it would save. (as well as the stress in the hosting area )
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze

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protestors heading for G-8 convention site.

In this day and age of communication technology, one has to wonder why these reps have to meet in person and be faced with such expense, massive security problems, protests etc. Can't they all set up video conferencing or some kind of system that would make it so much simpler and more efficient??

think of the bucks it would save. (as well as the stress in the hosting area )

And spoil their good time? How dare you!
 
Ocean Breeze
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Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze

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protestors heading for G-8 convention site.

In this day and age of communication technology, one has to wonder why these reps have to meet in person and be faced with such expense, massive security problems, protests etc. Can't they all set up video conferencing or some kind of system that would make it so much simpler and more efficient??

think of the bucks it would save. (as well as the stress in the hosting area )

And spoil their good time? How dare you!

 
Ocean Breeze
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the stage is set. Will be interesting to see how much genuine cooperation and productivity is achieved ....(and who will be the obstructionist )
 
Toro
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Its a nice golf course at Gleneagles. I sure hope the protestors don't trample all over the greens. It certainly would be an inconvenience to the fine gentlemen quaffing their ales at the 19th hole.
 
TenPenny
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If there was no G8 summit, there would have been no reason for Live8 on the weekend.

So there you go. Many of the people who go to protest the G8 summit are the same ones who just went to the concerts. Go figure.
 
shamus11
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Send the Money or Else

By

James Bredin

The left wing activists want a bigger piece of our GDP,
Increase our already high taxes or Mulroney’s GST,
This is really what their Live Aid concert was all about,
And Martin is part of their plan in case you have a doubt.

They want to send more money to Mugabe and friends over there,
Part of a UN millennium development affair,
They use gobbledygook words to explain the whole thing,
Pushed down our throats by those who brought us the same-sex fling.

Send our taxes to communist despot dictators in league,
Where it quickly disappears down a hole of internal intrigue,
They want to be proud UN heroes but always in control,
Forget the previous money that went into that same big hole.

There is no need to talk about this stuff; the decision was made,
No referendums, no debate though we may feel betrayed,
No recall or proportional representation for us,
As we jump on the Live Aid bandwagon and no need to discuss.

It’s only a rumor I heard but it could be, might be true,
Quebec equalization ransom payment is overdue,
Paul Martin and Sir Bob sent it all to Robert Mugabe,
He’s that communist despot dictator over in Zimbabwe.

Monday, July 04, 2005
http://tinyurl.com/7ru6e
 
Reverend Blair
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Another ode to purposeful misunderstanding dedicated to remaining ignorant, James?

As long as it rhymes, I guess. You might try some imagery or maybe some try to work in some deeper meanings though. You know, to keep it interesting.
 
Ocean Breeze
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'Open your eyes' about Africa, cardinal tells U.S.
Tue Jul 5, 2005 09:49 AM ET
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By Philip Pullella
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict's top adviser on justice and peace said on Tuesday he hoped the Group of Eight (G rich nations summit will nudge the United States to open its eyes to the problems of Africa.

In an interview with Reuters ahead of the G8 summit in Gleneagles, Scotland, Cardinal Renato Martino called for more debt relief and said rich nations should see that subsidies for their farmers meant poor states could not compete on the market.

Martino, head of the Council for Justice and Peace, praised British Prime Minister Tony Blair, calling him "the machine, the motor" for making debt relief and aid for Africa a personal crusade and for putting both issues in the world spotlight.

But, in response to a question, the 72-year-old cardinal said the United States had to do much more for Africa, because of its wealth and because of "its sad history of slavery."

"I firmly hope that American people and the government, the administration, will open their eyes about Africa because it is a need," Martino said, speaking in English.

"We cannot be content with our money when we see children die of curable diseases ... or because they drink dirty water. We cannot sleep peacefully when we see that innocent children suffer like that," he said.

Anti-poverty campaigners say the G8 leaders have a unique chance to stop 30,000 children dying every day due to extreme poverty by doubling aid to poor countries, especially in Africa.

Martino, who served for 16 years as the Vatican's ambassador to the United Nations, called Americans "the most generous people" in the world and questioned whether the American media was doing enough to get the Africa story across.

A MEDIA PROBLEM?

"I ask the American media to be sensitive, to be open, to invest in Africa's problems," he said.

U.S. President Bush has been under pressure to increase aid for Africa after he turned down a proposal by Blair for the industrialized world to give the continent as much as $50 billion a year by making long-term aid commitments.

 
Ocean Breeze
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

If there was no G8 summit, there would have been no reason for Live8 on the weekend.

So there you go. Many of the people who go to protest the G8 summit are the same ones who just went to the concerts. Go figure.



interesting "deductive" analysis..........(NOT)
 
HOCK
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I'm not sure how the rest of you feel however...over the years the wealthier nations have pumped money into the poor countries and to date, nothing has changed. This money never seems to make it to the proper people and is always stuck in government hands or red tape. If our governments are so willing to commit some money money to the poor nations, why is it so hard to get funds out of them when similar problems exists in our own country. Homeless, health, children starving, jobs, etc....we don't have to look to Africa to find this, its in our own back yard. Should we not look after our own first????
 
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I'm not sure how the rest of you feel however...over the years the wealthier nations have pumped money into the poor countries and to date, nothing has changed. This money never seems to make it to the proper people and is always stuck in government hands or red tape. If our governments are so willing to commit some money money to the poor nations, why is it so hard to get funds out of them when similar problems exists in our own country. Homeless, health, children starving, jobs, etc....we don't have to look to Africa to find this, its in our own back yard. Should we not look after our own first????

The governments of the G-8 have propped up the corrupt governments and insisted on the terms that have kept those countries poor though, Hock. In addition, policies such as farm subsidies and trade deals that favour multinational corporations over local business work to keep developing nations under the thumb of the rich, northern nations.

Many of those policies are the same ones, or are related to, the policies that cause our domestic problems. US ag subsidies, for instance, have devastated family farms in the US and Canada as well as keeping farmers in the developing world poor. Trade deals encourage a race to the bottom that undermines wage and benefit levels here while encouraging sweatshops and child labour in the developing world.

It runs through most of what we do...phamaceutical prices, arms sales, computers, automobiles. The policies that are hurting people in the developing world are also causing poverty here at home.
 
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Bush Advises Blair Not to Expect Special Treatment at G-8 Summit
Officials Cite Progress Toward Accord on Climate Change

Reuters
Tuesday, July 5, 2005; Page A10

LONDON, July 4 -- President Bush told British Prime Minister Tony Blair to expect no favors at this week's Group of Eight summit of major industrialized countries in return for backing the war in Iraq. Blair, who has made tackling global warming and relieving African poverty the goals of his year-long presidency of the G-8, will host fellow leaders at the Gleneagles Hotel in Scotland from Wednesday to Friday.

"I really don't view our relationship as one of quid pro quo," Bush told Britain's ITV1 television in an interview. "Tony Blair made decisions on what he thought was best for keeping the peace and winning the war on terror, as I did."



Police and protesters clash in Edinburgh, Scotland. Police said there had been 30 arrests related to protests of the G-8 summit, which opens Wednesday in Gleneagles. At least two police officers were injured, and several people fainted. (By Jeff Mitchell -- Reuters)

Reports that a last-ditch round of negotiations by G-8 officials over the weekend would result in an accord in some way recognizing the science behind global warming were bolstered by French President Jacques Chirac, who said on Sunday that the G-8 leaders were "heading toward an agreement."

A Canadian official said late Monday that there had been "significant progress" on a climate change text, while Britain's top G-8 negotiator, Michael Jay, said he sensed a desire to reach an agreement.

But Bush was cautious. Environmental experts said that, rather than risk an open rift, the eight nations had decided on an accord offering the barest minimum on global warming.

"If this looks like Kyoto, the answer is no. The Kyoto treaty would have wrecked our economy," Bush said in the interview, recorded last Wednesday and broadcast on Monday.

The other G-8 members are Germany, Italy, Japan and Russia.

Meanwhile, during a protest Monday in Edinburgh, Scotland's capital, a small group of anarchists sparked scuffles between riot police and demonstrators.

At least two police officers were injured in clashes, and several people fainted in the crush. Police said there had been 30 arrests related to the protests.

The demonstrations began peacefully as protesters, banging drums and shaking bells, marched and danced into waiting police containment cordons.

The demonstrations were part of a variety of protests that began Saturday with a 200,000-strong march through the city calling for an end to poverty in the developing world, especially Africa.

On Monday, black-clad and masked members of the Black Bloc, an anarchist group based in Germany and Scandinavia that has been prominent in protests at past G-8 summits, mingled with other demonstrators dressed as fairies and clowns.


no surprise that bush works with no quid pro quo. Wisdom dictates that one had better think twice before supporting bush in his grandiose warmongering schemes. It is a one way street.
 
shamus11
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Half the GST-GDP

By

James Bredin

Rock stars, it appears, appropriated the G8 agenda,
And we like sheep just herded along by their propaganda,
Kleptocracies in Africa demand money for their poor,
More of our GDP though what they will do with it, is obscure.

Robert Mugabe wants his money and he wants it now,
Send it by courier or he’ll cause a terrible row,
Rock concerts guys said it and that’s security enough,
Though African mismanagement and corruption is rough.

We think we’re so noble to help them out of poverty and stress,
Pictures of the dead and the dying appearing in the press,
And we nod our heads in unison as though on command,
As we march to the drum beat of Sir Bob’s rock and roll band.

Just don’t talk about corruption and concentrate on AIDS,
Don’t mention Darfur, religion or the government killing raids,
Concentrate on nice left wing media newspapers and sources,
Don’t ever mention the huge African unused resources.

There’s no need to send money because Bob can borrow from abroad,
And when foreign debts are forgiven it’s really not a fraud,
Undesirable people trucked far away from the city,
Decision he made while sitting in a communist committee.

Bob Mugabe in Zimbabwe wants to keep his streets clean,
With bulldozers and machine guns he can be quite mean,
The African Union says they have a problem with corruption,
But it’s no reason to stop the money coming or cause disruption.

Have we all gone completely mad with pride and charity?
Afraid to see that we’re being led by their popularity,
Moving along like a flock of sheep with a herd mentality,
No referendums, no recall, out of touch with reality.

Don’t ever wonder how all those corruption dollars were spent,
Armies and guns cost lots and so do politicians who are bent,
Just pay your taxes and Ottawa bureaucrats will do the rest,
You’ll never miss half the GDP-GST they say with jest.

Tuesday, July 05, 2005
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Reverend Blair
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Wow, do you write those poems yourself, James, or do the mind-control people send them to you in your dreams?

You might want to spend at least a little time learning facts. It's kind of fun and might inspire a varying meter or rhyme pattern. It might also cause you to tell the truth. That's what poetry is supposed to be about, after all...truth.
 
Toro
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Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

It runs through most of what we do...phamaceutical prices, arms sales, computers, automobiles. The policies that are hurting people in the developing world are also causing poverty here at home.

How do computers and automobiles cause poverty?
 
Reverend Blair
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More like they feed on it, Toro. Why are you asking me though? It's not like like you believe what I tell you anyway, so go look it up for yourself. Google works.

I'll give you some hints though...toxic waste and wiring harnesses. We won't get into the black Fords that the death squads use...at least not yet.
 
Said1
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Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

Wow, do you write those poems yourself, James, or do the mind-control people send them to you in your dreams?

You might want to spend at least a little time learning facts. It's kind of fun and might inspire a varying meter or rhyme pattern. It might also cause you to tell the truth. That's what poetry is supposed to be about, after all...truth.

Does that guy EVER respond?
 
Reverend Blair
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Not to the questions asked.
 
Said1
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Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

Not to the questions asked.

I guess this is just one stop on the poetry trail. Odd fella.
 

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