"UGLY"-dangerous US policy(s)

Ocean Breeze

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http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1522 :evil:

the tone of what is to come. :?:

as the article says......bush's ratings are on the decline.......so it would not be surprising to see him resort to magnifying threats even more ,(with a new designer twist) and therefore "justifying" more aggressive action.

bush is the loose cannon on this planet now. making him more dangerous/power mad that people like Hitler could ever dream of being.

the lust for power and wealth that exists in the US .....is totally out of proportion and has contaminated/configured the US into something it was not designed to be .
 
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http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/319395.shtml


no surprise. This is what some of us have considered as a possibility some time ago.

BUSH FOR LIFE. :?: :x :?: (not a conforting thought)

Will the US population accept that as passively as they have accepted so much of what bush is doing??

How often have "we" heard the refrain: "we must support the Prez".........(implication being , he can do whatever he wants...)

blind patriotism does that to people .==particularly when fear is the tactic used to control a population.


Hmmm. bush for life??? Seeing as how the US has set a predicent on doing regime changes in other nations.......it is logical to consider that a regime change in the US might have to be done by an outside nation or group of nations.

not a pleasant thought.

History is filled with such examples.

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I wonder why they think they need to formally amend the constitution?
None of the other, more fundamental parts of it seem to have been
much of an obstacle to his plans so far. If he wants to be president
for the rest of his life, why not? Who's going to stop him?
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zenfisher said:
Hmmm...I wonder if the Republicans are aware that it would allow Bill Clinton to run again ?
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the repubofascists will find a way to null this. :x
 
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Uhhh Zen Clinton is in the Bush family's back pocket he really is no better the difference between the two is He just a better face man than Bush.Ask yourself this about Clinton.When the Taliban offered Bin Laden to Clinton Five different times how come he said no? :? You would not be in this mess if he had said yes
 
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Uhhh Zen Clinton is in the Bush family's back pocket he really is no better the difference between the two is He just a better face man than Bush.Ask yourself this about Clinton.When the Taliban offered Bin Laden to Clinton Five different times how come he said no? :? You would not be in this mess if he had said yes
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very good question. OBL has served the USG well, and will continue to serve it well. Just the mere knowledge of his existence is an asset to the USG ........as it can then further its ideologies based on "fear" of this OBL character and his minions.......

(bin Laden family and the USG goes back some ways..... and it is no surprise that they were quietly escorted out of the US post 9-11. They must be "protected". Not sure of all the dynamics here........ but it goes quite deep from the info available.

without the "terrorist" factor.......the US(G) could not get away with the stuff it is trying to get away with. Meanwhile the underlying agenda of the US(G) is more global control.
 
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zenfisher said:
Yes ...and he has proven this ....Clinton is the anti- Bush.
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And I thought the 411 on Clinton was that he like bush a little too much. :roll:



Back to square one :oops:
 
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Sorry ocean, I did not realize you had a thread going on bush president forever, I would not have started the other. Thats funny! US(G) :p
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no problem. It's a catchy title for a topic and well worth discussing on its own.

Yep.........bush as prez for life......will sure seem like "forever". :wink:

can you just imagine that one???? Then he can go about warring on any nation that does not fit HIS definition of "freedom" and "democracy". (and install puppet regimes "for life") ( gotta wonder if the bloke even knows the definitions of those terms)

starting to wonder what life on Venus would be like. This planet is going to hell in a handbasket. :wink:
 
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http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=9838


the policy of LIES........aka known as Bush spin , and a few other euphamisms that have arisen since he took office. (and sadly that the US populate bought into.

something quite strange about the general US mindset. Has it been collectively conditioned by TV and the stimulous overload of ads that penetrate their collective consciousness on a daily basis?? Is this what makes "lies for war" such an "exciting " chapter for them???

a tad gobsmacked with the way the US (collective) mind operates these days.

Or are they so over drilled /conditioned by stories like runaway bride and the MJ trial .......??? ( gosh , MJ ......a washed out , burnt out almost has been , still draws the pathos of many , and the media just loves to replay it until saturation is overkill.---and numbs the minds of the viewers.

Quite fascinating to see a culture worship such "sicko" "heros".

but isn't that the failing of all "hero worship"???


Now, if the media would spend a similar amount of time dissecting, analysing , the "memogate " situation......"we" might be getting somewhere.

actually , defining himself as a "war time "prez. ( due to HIS own wars ) he puts a choke hold on public opionion as it appears that Americans are ill equipped to criticize their leader during a time of "war". So all bush has to do.......is protract these wars....and prevent any reasonable crtique of his leadership. Underhanded, pathological,manipulative......but deviously clever. :twisted:
 
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Hmmm...is that why the Republicans down here hate Clinton so much. We are talking vehement despising. What was the trade off if Clinton had accepted bin Laden?

As for OBL...that former CIA agent thing has always bothered me. The fact that, even though the Saudi government has declared he's persona non grata (sp)...he could still be working for the Saudi government. Deep cover and all that.

If you really think Clinton is in the back pocket of the Bush's ...you should really look at the footage of the dedication of the Clinton presidential library. You can see the contempt they have for each other quite clearly. Clinton is not at all like Bush.
 
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Clinton is not at all like Bush.
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absolutely agree. There has to be a reason that the bush regime despises Clinton so much. Wondering if he (Clinton ) makes them feel inferior. Clinton , has his draw backs as most leaders do.......but not anywhere the degree of the bushafia. Clinton is articulate, calm, diplomatic and intelligent. (not someone that is unseasoned and with plenty of rough edges that stand in the way ) He has a certain pinache. Bush and his team of "gangsters" have none of these qualities. Maybe this is why they rely so much on AGGRESSIVE and military action. These are of the simplest methods to get what they want. This is the "language" of rednecks , who love to "talk tough" and act tough. Bush is so obvious , it is transparent. Clinton is a tad more slippery in other ways. Clinton is more economy cognizent.......while bush lives to spend. --particularly when it isn't his money. One has to only examine their individual lists of achievements......and the repetative failure is obviously bush. (how many times has he been bailed out of tricky situations, financial situation?? ......and this speaks to the character of the man) If Bushs wife. Laura had not threatened to leave him.......bush would still be drinking and drugging.

It is becoming more obvious all the time that US values "Muscle" over brains. Maybe this is the stage of evolution they (collectively) are still at.
 
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I don't think the US values muscle over brains. They respect image. What appears to make a good leader.If you look at Kerry and Clinton...both had there problems to overcome. Clinton was more entertaining in the way he answered dificult questions. I didn't inhale...c'mon. That's just funny. Kerry didn't have that.

As for Bush ...I just don't understand what people see in him. I see no leadership qualities in him at all. I still maintain that al large part of what kept 1/3 of the US away from the polls was that they had to work...survival is more important than voting..to some...I guess.
 
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zenfisher said:
I don't think the US values muscle over brains. They respect image. What appears to make a good leader.If you look at Kerry and Clinton...both had there problems to overcome. Clinton was more entertaining in the way he answered dificult questions. I didn't inhale...c'mon. That's just funny. Kerry didn't have that.

As for Bush ...I just don't understand what people see in him. I see no leadership qualities in him at all. I still maintain that al large part of what kept 1/3 of the US away from the polls was that they had to work...survival is more important than voting..to some...I guess.
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IMAGE. Yes, it would be reasonable to think that IMAGE is what the US is all about. IMAGE over substance. would be the followup to that.

agree about bush's lack of leadership skills. And that would go to to "substance" of the man. He is far too simplistic to have much depth or substance.

Don't know what the US sees in him either........but it does not speak kindly to the character of the nation/society. Might be that his elementary style of "tough talk" is what appeals to them.....( so it follows that muscle is more important than intellect . "muscle" ......seems to be defined as "strength" in their society. Military is defined as "strength" .

but then any idiot/bully can talk tough :wink:
 
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http://www.fff.org/comment/com0506e.asp

seems "they" are entertaining the possibility of offering US citizenship to foreigners if said foreigners will join the US military. :roll:

Assuming their bribery will entice. :twisted:


alert: do NOT travel to the US......as "they"might proposition you.

sheesh.
 
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