So you think it's not about the oil?

You aren't even bright enough to understand the relationship between Canada and Britain...or the other Commonwealth countries for that matter, I think not.

Yes Rev, you are quite the moderator constantly insulting members of this board, the administrator must be very proud of you. Perhaps you should read the Terms of Service again, think you can find the link yourself?

Nice retreat into obfuscating pedantry though.

The reality is that Canadians were considered to be such by the European powers (and even thinking Americans) from before your War of Independence. That feeling became even more strong in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century when we began accepting a lot of immigrants from Eastern European countries and the United States in order to settle the three prairie provinces.

"I was born a British Subject - and I will die a British subject" -John A. MacDonald
I see no reason why you would deny your heritage.

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British subjects yes, but Canada operated indepedent of the British empire since Confederation. Even before Confedration people born in Canada were British subjects ...after that they were considered to be part of the Commonwealth.

Canada did not operate independantly, even the laws in the Canadian parliament had to be ratified in London and on many occassions they were denied

You may think not,but one only has to ask other countries how the US & Canada are perceived in the world to find how the world views my differ from US opinion.

Thats a timeworn myth zenfisher, Canada 40 years ago had clout, I'll be the first to say that. Canadas leaders have disgraced a proud past, I repeat PAST. The fact is that the average person in the world only knows what CIC tells them and that Canada is north of the US!

I really dont see why you are turning this into an issue, most Canadians will tell you it is part of their heritage, so what is the difference in view here? We going to rewrite history?

The reality is that Canadians were considered to be such by the European powers (and even thinking Americans) from before your War of Independence. That feeling became even more strong in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century when we began accepting a lot of immigrants from Eastern European countries and the United States in order to settle the three prairie provinces.

Actually, as we've begun to differentiate ourselves from the US again, our status in the international community has risen. We lost much of our clout in the Mulroney years when all we did was kowtow to Reagan and Bush I.

There is no point arguing with him, Zen. He spent 15 minutes in Canada once, watched bow-tie boy a couple of times, and now he thinks he knows all there is to know about Canada.
Your need for self-promotion, self-advertisement and influence is intriguing. Try to sway from assumptions, it only furthers your ignorance.
Since he never responded in any meaningful way, I'll try again:
Quote: The reality is that Canadians were considered to be such by the European powers (and even thinking Americans) from before your War of Independence. That feeling became even more strong in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century when we began accepting a lot of immigrants from Eastern European countries and the United States in order to settle the three prairie provinces.Nobody had that perception Rev, of course you are a nationalist and you have to believe in it. I'll say it again "I was born a British subject - and I will die a British subject" John A. MacDonald
Quote: Actually, as we've begun to differentiate ourselves from the US again, our status in the international community has risen. We lost much of our clout in the Mulroney years when all we did was...

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Your need for self-promotion, self-advertisement and influence is intriguing. Try to sway from assumptions, it only furthers your ignorance.

Nobody had that perception Rev, of course you are a nationalist and you have to believe in it. I'll say it again "I was born a British subject - and I will die a British subject" John A. MacDonald

I'll repeat again, the average person around the world knows and hears next to nothing about Canada, other than it is north of the US. You bring this upon yourselves in defining yourselves by negation. Even countries within the commonwealth know very little, unless they have an interest in immigrating to Canada and that being the case, the CIC gives the information.

Notice that they all have to do with helping and/or protecting others...building things instead of blowing them up.

I'll repeat again, the average person around the world knows and hears next to nothing about Canada

"I'll repeat again, the average person around the world knows and hears next to nothing about Canada, other than it is north of the US. You bring this upon yourselves in defining yourselves by negation. Even countries within the commonwealth know very little, unless they have an interest in immigrating to Canada and that being the case, the CIC gives the information."
I couldn't say whether or not this is true, I Think Not, as I don't have the ability know what everbody in the world thinks. What I do know is this; how much a nation is 'known' and 'heard about' is not necessarily a cause for pride, especially when a lot - though by no means all - of what people hear or know about the US is negative. Before you say it, I am not anti-American; I have a lot of respect for many of the values on which your country is based. What I, and many other average people around the world dislike, is the way the current administration - and, indeed, many previous administrations - do not uphold those values. Just the opposite, in fact. It is a shame that a large proportion of your populace acquiesce in this.
Having a negative opinion of American policies is not by any means anti-American. Distorting truths and manipulating facts, is.
People may not know Canada so well. That suggests to me that Canadians don't act in such a way as to bring attention to themselves.

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Quote: Originally Posted by ithinknotYour need for self-promotion, self-advertisement and influence is intriguing. Try to sway from assumptions, it only furthers your ignorance.Elaborate, I’d be interested in reading a detailed description of the experiences you’ve had in Canada.
That comment was intended towards the Rev, Said1, not to Canadians. Read the answer I posted in response to the Rev.
Quote: Originally Posted by ithinknot Nobody had that perception Rev, of course you are a nationalist and you have to believe in it. I'll say it again "I was born a British subject - and I will die a British subject" John A. MacDonaldWhat’s the difference between nationalism and patriotism, specifically?
Both are ostensively loyal to ones country, but in truth the object of their affection differs. The former loves an institution and its trappings, while the latter loves an ideal and its principles.
What were MacDonald’s remarks in response too?

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I'll repeat again, the average person around the world knows and hears next to nothing about Canada

Maybe go to Holland and see what they think. They are average people.

Just a few links for some of the things that Canada is known for:

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Notice that they all have to do with helping and/or protecting
others...building things instead of blowing them up.

It's funny then that when Kofi Annan began trying reform the UN, he came to Canada first.

It's hilarious that my TV has been full of nothing but Europeans paying us kudos for the last two days.

It's comical that Stephen Lewis is better known in Africa than your president.

You can deny it all you want, think not, but the world does recognize Canada as a middle power that is not afrais to go out into the world. You are blinded by the your own ignorance.

I think not wrote:

The anti-American sentiment of the time. Indeed, the entire Confederation of 1867 was based on precisely that.

I'm done with you and your anti-Canadian crap, I think not. You hate Canada. We get it. You're just another jingoistic American who is so afraid to acknowledge the failure of your own democracy that you've taken to cruising the internet looking for other countries to attack.

"Such is the Pavlovian device, repeat mechanically your assumptions and suggestions, diminish the opportunity of communicating dissent and opposition. This is the simple formula for political conditioning of the masses." - Joost Meerloo

You must live a very sad and bitter life.

I like Canada. I grew up as a boy fishing on the Rideau lake chain. Seely's Bay. Newborough Lake. The 200 some year old locks. I remember hearing Watertown NY radio station broadcasting two tunes relentlessly one summer:
Stranger in the Night and Yummy Yummy I got love in my Tummy.

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Hmmm....it seems Canadian passports were issued before 1947...to ...you guessed it... Canadian citizens. As the use of passports is a relatively new form of documentation, I don't really see how it pertains to your argument Ithinknot. Birth Certificates are a better measure of citizenship.