Should Anne Frank be given Dutch citizenship?

Should Anne Frank be given Dutch citizenship after 60 years?

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Rick van Opbergen

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A discussion is going on back here whether Anne Frank should be granted Dutch citizenship after 60 years. One of the national broadcasting companies, the KRO, made a list of the Greatest Dutchmen Ever - including a lot of painters (Vincent van Gogh, Rembrandt van Rijn), scientists (Anthonie van Leeuwenhoek), athletes (Fannie Blankers-Koen) - and they included Anne Frank. Now, they found out that Anne Frank is actually not a real Dutchwoman; she remained her German citizenship after she fled from Germany to the Netherlands, and became stateless after her passport was withdrawn. In her famous diary, she said that "when the war ends, I want to become part of the Dutch people". She was murdered however in March 1945 in Bergen-Belsen.

A lot of politicians want her to grant Dutch citizenship now, but especially Jewish organisations object. They say "and what about those thousands of other German Jews who fled to the Netherlands in the 1930's and didn't get Dutch citizenship? Should they be granted citizenship too (although the majority is dead)?" and "how do we even know Anne Frank would have stayed in the Netherlands after the war, and not would have emigrated to Israel, the US, New Zealand or South Africa [to give some possibilities]?"

What is your opinion?

NB: the far majority of Dutchmen do portray Anne Frank as being a Dutchwoman.
 

Rick van Opbergen

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Anne Frank may get posthumous Dutch citizenship
By ASSOCIATED PRESS

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands

A television channel has touched off a national dispute by nominating Anne Frank as a candidate for the greatest Dutch person in history, even though the Jewish teenager who became a symbol of Dutch courage during the Nazi occupation never had Dutch citizenship. Members of parliament campaigned over the weekend to grant the young author of the renowned wartime diary posthumous citizenship. But Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk said there was no provision in the law to do so.

Some historians and even the keepers of Anne Frank's legacy agree that making her a Dutch citizen nearly 60 years after her death would not alter her place in history, and could be an unintended denigration of the tens of thousands of refugees who, like Anne's family, fled the Nazi regime but would not receive the same recognition.

Anne Frank was born in Germany in 1929 and came to the Netherlands with her family in 1933. The Franks became stateless when the Nazis stripped all Jews living outside Germany of their nationality.

During 25 months in hiding in Amsterdam, she kept a diary of her innermost thoughts and feelings, among them a wish to become Dutch. The family was captured, and she died at age 15 of typhus at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp in Germany in 1945, just weeks before the end of the war. Her father, Otto Frank, the only family member to survive the camps, returned to Amsterdam and took Dutch nationality. The diary, which he published in 1949 and was later translated into dozens of languages, became the first popular account of the Holocaust.

The question of posthumous citizenship surfaced when the Dutch television channel KRO listed Anne Frank as one of 202 candidates to become history's greatest Dutch person in a popular vote of viewers. "We knew she wasn't Dutch. But the (nominating) commission found that she did a lot for the Dutch people and contributed to our country," said KRO spokeswoman Monique Moeskops.

Alexandra Schutte, who is promoting Anne Frank's case in the contest, began lobbying Dutch members of parliament to pressure the government to grant an exception to the rule against giving posthumous citizenship, said Moeskops. Each of the candidates has an advocate.

Anne Frank is competing against such historic and current luminaries as the 17th century artists Rembrandt, Pieter Brueghel and Frans Hals; William of Orange, the 16th century founder of the dynasty of Dutch monarchs; and 20th century sports greats like Johan Cruyff in soccer and Fanny Blankers-Koen in athletics. Viewers have been voting since April, but the citizenship question only emerged in the Dutch press over the weekend.

"A lot of people have been voting for Anne Frank," Moeskops said, but she refused to say whether the diarist was likely to be among the 10 finalists to be announced next week. Dutch media reported Monday that a majority of the 150 members of parliament's lawmaking Second Chamber support granting Anne citizenship, despite the legal barriers. Support was coming from coalition parties as well as the opposition.

The Anne Frank House, which runs the museum established in the canal-side house where the Frank family hid in a secret annex, said the question is irrelevant. "Her legacy is Dutch, she wrote in Dutch, her diary was in Dutch," said spokeswoman Patricia Bosboom. "She was as Dutch as you can be. Giving her citizenship would add nothing."

David Barnouw, of the Dutch Institute for War Documentation, said most of the German Jews and political refugees who fled the Nazi regime expected to return to their homes after the war, and never considered remaining in Holland

Barnouw ridiculed the notion of granting citizenship for the purpose of a television program, and said it could serve as a precedent for the descendants of other Nazi victims. "Why should only Anne Frank get citizenship? Are those other people not important enough?" he said. Barnouw also noted that Anne was not the only non-Dutch citizen on the list. William of Orange, he said, was German.
Source: Jerusalem Post
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Should Anne Frank be

Give her citizenship. For a lot of us around the world, she is a symbol of Dutch courage in resisting the Nazis.
 

Andem

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I don't think so..

She is not Dutch and she's dead. Most of the jews from Europe went off to Israel and fled the countries harboured them.

Granting her citizenship after 60 years would be useless and back to the fact that you'd have to give citizenship to thousands of other jews... which would give a lot of Israelis the arguement to gain European citizenship.
 

Andem

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Well jews don't originate from Europe so they were always immigrants in the first place. But my main point is that, yes, there is so want in Israel for European passports so they have extra security if things get too rough in Israel with terrorists etc. So giving them leeway in citizenship which others would not have is a) not fair to citizens of other countries who want European citizenship, b) Not fair to Europeans, c) a potential threat to European security because of the large populations which have grown of muslims and unfriendly groups to the jews.

Just look at France's muslim population.

We all know how sensitive Europeans are to forcable strains on their cultures by introducing foreign immigrants in large numbers.

Atleast I'm speaking from experience in Germany where I hold citizenship.
 

Rick van Opbergen

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But I do agree with you for the most part. We can not speak for Anne Frank. We can not decide whether she would still wanted to adopt Dutch citizenship learning that the country she loved didn't stop the nazis of deporting her family to Auschwitz. And for all those thousands of German Jews who wanted to gain Dutch citizenship, but eventually died in the deathcamps in Poland as stateless Jews ... it wouldn't be fair.
 

Rick van Opbergen

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Funny ... both submitted a message at the same time.

Andem you are forgetting a crucial thing here: Israel is no longer a place for Jews to come to when they are unwanted; it's an identity. Especially sabras (Israelis born in Israel) say they are Israelis, and not Jews. Meaning that I do believe the majority of Israelis (probably not all, but I do think the majority) will stay in Israel even when tensions sharpen; it's their homeland. It's an essential part of their identity. It's as much as a national identity as being a Dutchman, a Japanese or an Algerian.
 

peapod

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Man for heaven sakes...let all the jews come here..We have a big country...lots of room. lots of its unpopulated..give the girl the citizenship...she paid her dues with her life..hell give her the keys to the planet...what difference does it make.
 

Martin Le Acadien

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It is noble to grant citizenship as an honour, even posthumous
citizenship would send a statement that she had "become"
Dutch, A Neiderlander and a symbol of resistance to oppression.

Hell, even the United States grants posthumous citizenship to
such notables as Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis who had theirs
stripped away after the Civil War. The US has brought in thousands of Humong Tribesmen from Laos and bestowed citizenship upon them and their families even they couldn't read or speak English.

Hell, even the descendants of the slaves of the Confederados in Brazil are being granted citizenship in the US when they prove that they were taken out of the United States after the Civil War when they were FREE PEOPLE and put back in slavery in Brazil
(which had slavery until 1889) without their knowing that they were free!

Giving Anne Frank citizenship would honour her memory and allow the Dutch to claim her for their very own!!! The Holocaust must not be forgotten nor should atrocities be allowed to happen again. History if forgotten has a way of repeating itself.

Anne Frank is a memorial to man's inhumanity to man and her story is one of personal courage, One poster said to give her the keys to the Planet!

From an Acadien in exile, when will it end?
 

Haggis McBagpipe

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For the life of me, I cannot fathom why this would even be considered, why anyone would think it okay to bestow a new nationality on a dead person, especially when it is for the sole purpose of adding the name to a list of who's who for that country. Insane.