Israel's barrier illegal: World court

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Israel's barrier illegal: World court
Reparations should be paid to Palestinians; Calls for UN action


BY ARTHUR MAX
ASSOCIATED PRESS

THE HAGUE, Netherlands — Israel's barrier in the West Bank violates international law, the highest UN court ruled today, urging the United Nations to stop its construction.
The International Court of Justice condemned the wall for going too far in infringing on the freedom of the Palestinians, dismissing arguments that it was essential to Israel's national security.

Israel must pay reparations to Palestinians harmed by the barrier and return land seized to construct the wall, which is already about 160 kilometres long, the ruling read.

Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia welcomed the ruling.

"The international high court decided clearly today that this racist wall is illegal to the root and Israel should stop building it and take down what has already been built of this wall," Qureia said.

The judges were unexpectedly united in slamming the structure of walls and fences, voting of 14-1 on most aspects of the ruling. Only the American judge dissented.

"The court accordingly finds that the construction of the wall, and its associated regime, are contrary to international laws," said court president Shi Jiuyong of China, who read the complex ruling.

The court asked the General Assembly and the Security Council "to consider what further action is required to bring to an end the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall."

Although the court's ruling is not legally binding, it carries substantial moral and political weight which could tip the scales in favour of UN action against the barrier.

And Arab nations are planning to request the General Assembly meet to discuss just that.

"Israel is in violation of international law, of international legitimacy, and the General Assembly now will be called upon to look into this matter," said Ambassador Yahya Mahmassani, the Arab League's UN representative.

The world body, comprising 191 countries, can recommend that the wall be torn down and that sanctions be slapped onto Israel if it fails to comply. But only the 15-member Security Council, where the U.S. has veto power, can implement sanctions.

At the Palestinians' request, the UN General Assembly asked the world court in December for its opinion on the legality of the barrier, a complex of towering concrete walls, razor-wire fences, trenches and watch towers. Some of the more controversial sections stray into the West Bank.

The court dismissed Israel's objections that the General Assembly acted irregularly in asking for an advisory opinion.

The wall was routed in a way that would cut off more than 230,000 Palestinians from their surrounding areas, the judges ruled.

Despite Israel's protests that the barrier was temporary and not designed as a political boundary, the court said it could amount to "de facto annexation."

The decision was a rebuff not only to Israel, but also to the United States and several European nations that had argued the court had no place delivering a judgement on the planned 685-kilometre-long wall.

Israel, which sent no senior officials to The Hague in an attempt to keep the issue low-key, said the wall was designed to deter Palestinian suicide bombers.

In one brief reference, the court said the construction of the barrier should be seen in the context of "the succession of armed conflicts, acts of indiscriminate violence and repressive measures" since 1947, when Israel declared itself a state.

"The International Court in The Hague has no authority to deal with disputes between Israel and the Palestinians," Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Jonathan Peled said in Jerusalem.

U.S. State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said the court should not have taken up the security barrier in the first place.

"It remains our view that this referral to the court was inappropriate and that, in fact, it could impede efforts to achieve progress toward a negotiated settlement between Israelis and Palestinians," Boucher said.

At the outset of the 2-1/2-hour session, the court ruled it had jurisdiction, rebuffing Israel's argument that the court should refrain from interfering because the issue was political, not legal.

"A legal question also has political aspects," said the ruling.

The court also dealt with issues that Israel and the Arab states have been bickering over for years.

It determined that lands captured by Israel in the 1967 Middle East war are occupied territory, including East Jerusalem. Israel has refused to recognize Jerusalem as occupied since it was formally annexed by the Israeli parliament after the war.

While the General Assembly and Security Council have never recognized Israel's claims, it was the first time Israel's status in the West Bank was the subject of an international legal judgment.

The ruling reminded Israel of its obligations to all conventions of international law, including the Geneva Conventions and common humanitarian law.

Recently the Israeli Supreme Court also ruled in favour of the Palestinians, ordering the government to reroute a 40-kilometre section of the barrier near Jerusalem.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon accepted that decision and told senior military officials to review the fence's route. But he has previously denounced the world court hearings as "a campaign of hypocrisy."
 

moghrabi

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Andem,

As usual, nothing will make the Isreal's listen to any court. They run the US and the US will veto any resolution against the building of the wall.
 

researchok

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It was the right call, I think.

The case brought before the court was limited to the barrier. The fact that it may create 'boundries', that may be construed as a future border, as the decision says, is reason enough among others, to validate the courts decision.

The court did also validate the right of a state to defend itself, of course.

It has been an intersting week insofar as the region has gone. The Quartet (US, Russia, UN and EU) pointedly took the PA to task for not implementing reform fast enough, not cleaning up endemic corruption and not doing enough to rein in the militant factions-- so much so, they have threatened to withold aid to the PA.

I suspect they knew what the ICJ decision would be.

Next move, who knows? I wouldn't be surprised if Israel took the PA to the ICJ, for not doing its part in reining in the militant factions.

Of course, once more into the abyss...

In the meantime, I think the court, based on the case brought before it, made the right decision.
 

researchok

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moghrabi said:
Andem,

As usual, nothing will make the Isreal's listen to any court. They run the US and the US will veto any resolution against the building of the wall.

They dont have to listen to the court-- its non binding.
 

researchok

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Hardly the case.

Every governments first obligation is to protect its citizens.

That is universal.
 

Andem

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researchok said:
Hardly the case.

Every governments first obligation is to protect its citizens.

That is universal.

In context, how is Israel protecting it's citizens? Allowing them to settle on Palestinian territory in the first place was a stupid idea. We all know the drawbacks and dangers of it. Suicide bombing is very common, hense.

All countries should follow the examples and rules set down by the United Nations. The UN was created as a result of world wars, and that's why it exists today. If nobody is going to follow UN rulings, then we'll probably see a rise in the amount of wars (actually, we have).

The United States, for example, will not follow the UN resolutions. Look at Iraq for god sakes! Israel is not even legit to begin with. So nothing they will do and are doing currently will probably be legit. As long as we have George Double-ya up in power down south, Israel will do what they please just as the American gov't does.
 

researchok

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Oh, i agree with the courts decision, as I said. Th ewall (as it was situated) was a bad idea.

As for Israel not being legitamate, that argument is a red herring.

Israel is a duly recognized state by the UN and all other world bodies. Its that simple. That isnt going to change-- as Chirac put it-- Israel's right to exist is not in question. How Israel conducts its foreign policy is however, fair game.

Further, the entire peace process is predicated on UN ersolutions-- all of which acknowledge Israels right to exist. If you deny that right, why would Israel b esubject to UN particiaption?

Also, you have to distinguish between binding and non binding UN resolutions.

Heres a good article on the subject, from the economist. It also addresses Isreal nuclear position.

http://economist.com/world/na/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1378577
 

Ginger_Ale

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Andem said:
researchok said:
Hardly the case.

Every governments first obligation is to protect its citizens.

That is universal.

In context, how is Israel protecting it's citizens? Allowing them to settle on Palestinian territory in the first place was a stupid idea. We all know the drawbacks and dangers of it. Suicide bombing is very common, hense.

All countries should follow the examples and rules set down by the United Nations. The UN was created as a result of world wars, and that's why it exists today. If nobody is going to follow UN rulings, then we'll probably see a rise in the amount of wars (actually, we have).

We may see a rise in wars (US - Iraq, Iraq - Iran, US - Taliban, etc.), but we haven't seen a rise in a world-war style war, where all countries are full fledged in attack mode. The UN has done a good job on that.
 

researchok

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I can't agree Andem with some of your premise.

American foreign policy-- and that of the west for that matter-- has been entirely consistent over the last 50 years.

A negotiated settlement is the desired outcome, of course.

For the last 50 years, the basis for that are the following principles:

1. Cessation of violence.
2. Secure and defensible borders.
3. Diplomatic recognition of and by all parties.

Since 1967, UN 242, 338, etc, have all reiterated those principles. The land for peace for offer has been on the table for all that time. It was the Khartoum Resolution that stalled negotiated settlement talks for decades, until now.
 

Reverend Blair

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Th General Assembly will now have to send a resolution to the Security Council. The only way it won't pass the SC now is if the US vetos it. Considering their past record they will likely do just that.

What if they don't veto it though? The US has had to go crawling back to the UN a couple of times recently, after directly undermining the UNs authority. They also have to make some attempts to make some friends in this world though. This could be their chance to show that they aren't just Hells Angels. They should let any resolution that results from this pass.
 

moghrabi

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I hope they do pass a resolution this time. This way the US will fix its image in the area as one-sided towards Israel. This is why we have all this hatred in the middle East.
 

researchok

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I don't think sanctions have legs. The Economist is saying that sanctions would be vetoed by most, if not all of the SC.

Best chance they have is a straightfoward vote of condemnation- that would havea shot in the SC. I don't tink the US would veto that at this point.
 

Reverend Blair

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Who is going to veto it? The US and Britain? Russia won't, China won't, France might, but not if they can let the US and Britain look like the only bad guys

Actually I doubt, given the current political climate, that anybody but the US would dare to veto this.
 

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Andem said:
All countries should follow the examples and rules set down by the United Nations.

Absolutely. Like the UN food for oil program. A fine example they have set there. Or like the peace and stability the UN has brought to Kosovo. Or like...

...nevermind.
 

Paco

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The International Court of Justice condemned the wall for going too far in infringing on the freedom of the Palestinians, dismissing arguments that it was essential to Israel's national security.

Hmmm. The UN should arrest "the wall" then, don't ya think?

Israel must pay reparations to Palestinians harmed by the barrier and return land seized to construct the wall, which is already about 160 kilometres long, the ruling read.

The palestinians can send the bill to the terrorists who necessitated the construction of the wall.

"It remains our view that this referral to the court was inappropriate and that, in fact, it could impede efforts to achieve progress toward a negotiated settlement between Israelis and Palestinians," Boucher said.

He is right. The only impediment to progress is Palestine. They consistently reject offers of land peace all the while proclaiming that their goal is elimination of the Jewish state.

It determined that lands captured by Israel in the 1967 Middle East war are occupied territory, including East Jerusalem. Israel has refused to recognize Jerusalem as occupied since it was formally annexed by the Israeli parliament after the war.

Oh, this is good! In 1967 Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon all massed forces at Israel’s border in order to “push the Jews into the sea”. Four arab countries against the Jewish state. The obviously superior state of Israel crushed the bully arabs in 6 days.

Ya know what? If one wants to keep its land, it shouldn't start wars. "To the victor go the spoils."

It's not occupied territory. It's Israeli land. Period.
 

researchok

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I dont think a sanctions measure pass.

Condemnation by itself might-- repeat might-- but it would have to an evenly balanced resolution, condemning terrorism, etc.
 

Reverend Blair

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But it is now clear that the wall is against international law. There is no longer any doubt of that, no room for argument. The wall is illegal.

Israel must remove it and if they won't they should face sanctions, just like any other international outlaw should.

The US would no doubt move to block sanctions, just like they did with South Africa under Reagan, but that will show them for what they are once again.
 

researchok

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The wall, where it stands, is the issue.

The case was brought by palestinian farmers- the wall that cut through their land, etc. That is what the court adjudicated on, no more, no less.

The Israelis may bring their case (unlikley. but possible) to the ICJ seeking relief from the PA's non response to dismantling terror groups, etc. Even Canad's response to te ruling was cool.

It is interesting to note that this week, the Quartet sanctioned the PA and threatened to withold funds until they (PA) deals with terror and corruption issue. The timing of this issue was not lost on the international community.

The sanctions issue wont hold water, I think, for a few reasons. But it is not only the US that would block a sanctions resolution. The Economist, for example, is reporting that 'European countries' would not support a sanctions resolution.

The best I think the Palestinians could hope for is a resolution of condemnation.