Super Genius
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July 9th, 2004, 11:12 AM
Pentagon: Bush Military Records Destroyed
Updated 10:49 AM ET July 9, 2004
WASHINGTON (AP) - Military payroll records that could more fully document President Bush's whereabouts during his service in the Texas Air National Guard were inadvertently destroyed, according to the Pentagon.
In a letter responding to a freedom of information request by The Associated Press, the Defense Department said that microfilm containing the pertinent National Guard payroll records was damaged and could not be salvaged. The damaged material included payroll records for the first quarter of 1969 and the third quarter of 1972.
"President Bush's payroll records for those two quarters were among the records destroyed," wrote C.Y. Talbott, of the Pentagon's Freedom of Information and Security Review section. "Searches for back-up paper copies of the missing records were unsuccessful."
In February, the White House released some payroll and medical records from Bush's Vietnam-era service to counter Democrats' suggestions that he shirked his duty in the Texas Air National Guard.
Bush was in the Texas Air National Guard from 1968 to 1973, much of the time as a pilot, but never went to Vietnam or flew in combat. Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, the Democratic presidential candidate, is a decorated Vietnam veteran, and some Democrats have questioned whether Bush showed up for temporary Guard duty in Alabama while working on a political campaign during a one-year period from May 1972 to May 1973.
Bush had asked to be able to transfer temporarily from the Texas Guard to an Alabama base during that time so he could work on the Senate campaign of a family friend. Reports differ on how long he was actually in Alabama, but it's generally believed that he returned to his Texas unit after the November 1972 election. The White House says Bush went back to Alabama again after that.
The Pentagon letter was sent in response to an April lawsuit filed by the AP under the federal Freedom of Information Act. That law requires government agencies to make public information not specifically exempted for disclosure.
The letter said that in 1996 and 1997, the Pentagon "engaged with limited success in a project to salvage deteriorating microfilm." During the process, "the microfilm payroll records of numerous service members were damaged," the letter said.
This process resulted in "the inadvertent destruction of microfilm containing certain National Guard payroll records," including Bush's, the letter said.
Trying to calm the political unrest, the White House on Feb. 13 released Bush's Vietnam-era military records to counter suggestions he shirked his duty. But there was no new evidence given at that time to show that he was in Alabama during the period when Democrats questioned whether he performed his service obligation.
The records showed that Bush, a pilot, was suspended from flying status beginning Aug. 1, 1972, because of his failure to have an annual medical examination. His last flight exam was on May 15, 1971. There were no new documents, during that February release, to shed any light on Bush's service in Alabama.
Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Pentagon: Bush Military Records Destroyed
Updated 10:49 AM ET July 9, 2004
WASHINGTON (AP) - Military payroll records that could more fully document President Bush's whereabouts during his service in the Texas Air National Guard were inadvertently destroyed, according to the Pentagon.
In a letter responding to a freedom of information request by The Associated Press, the Defense Department said that microfilm containing the pertinent National Guard payroll records was damaged and could not be salvaged. The damaged material included payroll records for the first quarter of 1969 and the third quarter of 1972.
"President Bush's payroll records for those two quarters were among the records destroyed," wrote C.Y. Talbott, of the Pentagon's Freedom of Information and Security Review section. "Searches for back-up paper copies of the missing records were unsuccessful."
In February, the White House released some payroll and medical records from Bush's Vietnam-era service to counter Democrats' suggestions that he shirked his duty in the Texas Air National Guard.
Bush was in the Texas Air National Guard from 1968 to 1973, much of the time as a pilot, but never went to Vietnam or flew in combat. Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, the Democratic presidential candidate, is a decorated Vietnam veteran, and some Democrats have questioned whether Bush showed up for temporary Guard duty in Alabama while working on a political campaign during a one-year period from May 1972 to May 1973.
Bush had asked to be able to transfer temporarily from the Texas Guard to an Alabama base during that time so he could work on the Senate campaign of a family friend. Reports differ on how long he was actually in Alabama, but it's generally believed that he returned to his Texas unit after the November 1972 election. The White House says Bush went back to Alabama again after that.
The Pentagon letter was sent in response to an April lawsuit filed by the AP under the federal Freedom of Information Act. That law requires government agencies to make public information not specifically exempted for disclosure.
The letter said that in 1996 and 1997, the Pentagon "engaged with limited success in a project to salvage deteriorating microfilm." During the process, "the microfilm payroll records of numerous service members were damaged," the letter said.
This process resulted in "the inadvertent destruction of microfilm containing certain National Guard payroll records," including Bush's, the letter said.
Trying to calm the political unrest, the White House on Feb. 13 released Bush's Vietnam-era military records to counter suggestions he shirked his duty. But there was no new evidence given at that time to show that he was in Alabama during the period when Democrats questioned whether he performed his service obligation.
The records showed that Bush, a pilot, was suspended from flying status beginning Aug. 1, 1972, because of his failure to have an annual medical examination. His last flight exam was on May 15, 1971. There were no new documents, during that February release, to shed any light on Bush's service in Alabama.
Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Super Genius
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Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
July 9th, 2004, 07:52 PM
Pretty damned convenient anyway. Nobody has been to place Bush in either of bases he claims to have served at. That's kind of odd...a big personable guy like that, son of a big-shot, and nobody remembers him?
About a year ago I met a girl I went to school with in Ottawa for about six months. I was a quiet kid. She remembered me, even recognised me an adult. How is it possible that nobody remembers George Bush being on base?
Pretty damned convenient anyway. Nobody has been to place Bush in either of bases he claims to have served at. That's kind of odd...a big personable guy like that, son of a big-shot, and nobody remembers him?
About a year ago I met a girl I went to school with in Ottawa for about six months. I was a quiet kid. She remembered me, even recognised me an adult. How is it possible that nobody remembers George Bush being on base?
Super Genius
Posts: 1,103
July 9th, 2004, 09:12 PM
Youre gonna LOVE this...click on 'music'..then click on all the buttons....
http://www.dancingbush.com/
Youre gonna LOVE this...click on 'music'..then click on all the buttons....
http://www.dancingbush.com/
Walks on Forum Water
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Videos: 25
Location: Victoria, B.C.
Videos: 25
Location: Victoria, B.C.
July 9th, 2004, 09:31 PM
http://www.dancingpaul.com
Quoting
That's a take-off from the famous Dancing Paul!
Youre gonna LOVE this...click on 'music'..then click on all the buttons....
http://www.dancingbush.com/
http://www.dancingbush.com/
http://www.dancingpaul.com
My download crapped out before I got it down. 
One great thing though, no mortgage!
Walks on Forum Water
Posts: 5,154
Videos: 25
Location: Victoria, B.C.
Videos: 25
Location: Victoria, B.C.
July 9th, 2004, 10:37 PM
Poor you! DS is right, this particular Bush movie is hilarious. I can't stop watching and laughing. Oh, except I *think* if I value my life I will go back to, ahem, watching our movie.
Pea? Pea? Yoohoo! Are you out there in peapod land? We're not watching Scissorhands tonight because it was checked out, won't be back in until Monday. We might stop at another video store tomorrow and get a copy.
Poor you! DS is right, this particular Bush movie is hilarious. I can't stop watching and laughing. Oh, except I *think* if I value my life I will go back to, ahem, watching our movie.
Pea? Pea? Yoohoo! Are you out there in peapod land? We're not watching Scissorhands tonight because it was checked out, won't be back in until Monday. We might stop at another video store tomorrow and get a copy.
Newbie
Posts: 29
Location: Fraser Valley, British Columbia
Location: Fraser Valley, British Columbia
July 10th, 2004, 04:56 AM
The reason despicable leaders get away with the things they do is they can always depend on the gullible majority to see them through.
Some of you on this board reflect the veracity of this statement--with great regularity--as in 24/7.
Wakey, wakey! Bush went AWOL and I'd be prepared to string up his scrawny little neck for dereliction of duty based on missing records and that no one has come forward to defend their hero. Hell, Junior's allowed the gassing of many based on shakier evidence than that. This is Junior Justice and I say let's fly at it.
Junior's a worm--and rightfully belongs in the ground with his widdle buddies!
The reason despicable leaders get away with the things they do is they can always depend on the gullible majority to see them through.
Some of you on this board reflect the veracity of this statement--with great regularity--as in 24/7.
Wakey, wakey! Bush went AWOL and I'd be prepared to string up his scrawny little neck for dereliction of duty based on missing records and that no one has come forward to defend their hero. Hell, Junior's allowed the gassing of many based on shakier evidence than that. This is Junior Justice and I say let's fly at it.
Junior's a worm--and rightfully belongs in the ground with his widdle buddies!
Super Genius
Posts: 1,320
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
July 10th, 2004, 08:29 AM
I think nailing him to the big tree in my backyard would be more suitable than gas, Bushanti. I have an air spiker and the dogs would chew on his toes. The neighbours might complain about the wailing, but they are always complaining about something.
I don't think he deserves that for being AWOL though. He deserves a purely political crucifixtion for that. I'm saving the tree for his other crimes.
I think nailing him to the big tree in my backyard would be more suitable than gas, Bushanti. I have an air spiker and the dogs would chew on his toes. The neighbours might complain about the wailing, but they are always complaining about something.
I don't think he deserves that for being AWOL though. He deserves a purely political crucifixtion for that. I'm saving the tree for his other crimes.
Newbie
Posts: 29
Location: Fraser Valley, British Columbia
Location: Fraser Valley, British Columbia
July 10th, 2004, 04:42 PM
Rev - You've got a sporting nature. I like that in an ally!
But, if it's all the same to you, I must insist that the loon lynching proceed as planned. As Junior himself has taught, preemptive strikes are a good thing. I launch mine tomorrow--and may God have mercy on his soul.
For the bleeding hearts on this board, let me remind you yet again that we cannot rely on the American electorate to get it right. Besides, even if they do............well..................need I nudge your memories as to what happened the first time around?
So, come one, come all. Bring your picnic lunches, your young uns, a little sasparilla, and prepare to watch Junior's grin grow dim.
Rev - You've got a sporting nature. I like that in an ally!
But, if it's all the same to you, I must insist that the loon lynching proceed as planned. As Junior himself has taught, preemptive strikes are a good thing. I launch mine tomorrow--and may God have mercy on his soul.
For the bleeding hearts on this board, let me remind you yet again that we cannot rely on the American electorate to get it right. Besides, even if they do............well..................need I nudge your memories as to what happened the first time around?
So, come one, come all. Bring your picnic lunches, your young uns, a little sasparilla, and prepare to watch Junior's grin grow dim.
