Soldier: Commander Tried to Change Report

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By MATT GOURAS



A National Guard commander told a mental health counselor to change an evaluation to show that a serviceman who accused fellow soldiers of abusing Iraqi prisoners was mentally unfit, another soldier says.

The commander has refused to comment on the allegation. And it is not clear whether the evaluation was, in fact, changed.

Sgt. Greg Ford of the 223rd Military Intelligence Battalion has said he was stripped of his duties and ordered to see combat-stress counselors after reporting that three fellow soldiers in the California National Guard unit brazenly abused Iraqi detainees during interrogations in Samarra last year. He said the soldiers choked detainees, threatened them with guns and stuck lit cigarettes in their ears.

Ford was placed under the supervision of Sgt. 1st Class Michael Marciello, a team leader in the battalion. In an interview this week, Marciello said he was ordered to watch Ford's behavior at all times.

He said unit commanders believed something must have been wrong with Ford for making such "wild" claims against his fellow soldiers.

Marciello said that after a mental health evaluation came back saying Ford was OK, he witnessed a company commander in the 223rd, Capt. Vic Artiga, ask a counselor to change her evaluation.

"The company commander requested that this woman reconsider the end result of her analysis," Marciello said.

He said he did not know what the final report said.

"Something happened for them to take Greg away," Marciello said. "After a short discussion, they agreed to refer him to Germany for further evaluation. Then the following day, Greg was gone."

Ford has said that he underwent psychiatric evaluations at military installations in Germany and San Antonio, Texas, and that those evaluations found nothing wrong with him.

Ford said the counselor who evaluated him in Iraq was Capt. Merle Madera of the 113th Medical Company. She did not return a call seeking comment Wednesday.

Artiga would not say whether he influenced Ford's mental evaluation. And he defended his soldiers against Ford's abuse accusations.

"I know they conducted all their obligations legally, morally and ethically," he said.

Marciello said he had never worked with Ford until after the sergeant made the allegations, and could not corroborate his claims of abuse.

Ford, 49, said he was a state prison guard for 18 years. He has since returned home to the Sacramento suburb of Fair Oaks. His unit, the San Francisco-based 223rd, returned home in March.

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Associated Press Writer Terence Chea in San Francisco contributed to this report.
 

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How does spending so much energy on bashing the US help Canada to become a better country.
Not that Im averse to bashing the US when I set it needs it but why dont you focus more of your energy on our country and fixing the problems that exist here. You seem a little obsessed.
 

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I am not not a little obsessed. Actually, I am very obsessed on bashing the US. Don't you think they are bashing us enough for not supporting them in Iraq. I can give few links to read if you are interested about US bashing Canada.

If you are not interested in what I post, then there are a lot of other topics for you to read.
 

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moghrabi said:
I am not not a little obsessed. Actually, I am very obsessed on bashing the US. Don't you think they are bashing us enough for not supporting them in Iraq. I can give few links to read if you are interested about US bashing Canada.

I know the US bashes us and other countries. Who cares? DO you think they are listeining to you right now. The factis Americans dont generally care about whatUS canadians think. We arent present in their lives the way they are present i ours. Its futile what you are doing.[/quote]

If you are not interested in what I post, then there are a lot of other topics for you to read.

Im interested because all guys like you do is make other Canandians think negatively. How can we put our energy into helping our country if we are obsessed with negative thoughts about others. You think you are helping us, youre not.Your the worst kind of Patriot we could have.
 

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I think I am helping people like you know what is happeining in the world around them. Yes we are dependent on the US. And this is exactly why you should know more about them.

Patriot??? hehe
 

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moghrabi said:
I think I am helping people like you know what is happeining in the world around them. Yes we are dependent on the US. And this is exactly why you should know more about them.

Patriot??? hehe

What makes you think I dont know whats going on in the world,because I dont go on about it negatively like you? I spent a number of years in the Canandian military and many more as a civilian travelling alot of Cananda and the US. Im well aware of whats going on in North America.
I repeat my question How are you helping Canada? How is how some Americans feel about us even relevant.
 

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Numure said:
ThorsHamburger said:
Numure said:
Patriot? Who the hell is talking about Patriotism? It doesnt exist in Canada. And shouldnt.

Speak for yourself. I know alot of proud patriotic Canadians.

I<m not Canadian... I do not know anyone (federalist or seperatist) that are patriots.

What do you mean youre not Canadian?Then what are you?
 

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ThorsHamburger said:
Numure said:
ThorsHamburger said:
Numure said:
Patriot? Who the hell is talking about Patriotism? It doesnt exist in Canada. And shouldnt.

Speak for yourself. I know alot of proud patriotic Canadians.

I<m not Canadian... I do not know anyone (federalist or seperatist) that are patriots.

What do you mean youre not Canadian?Then what are you?

Québécois. I've repeated this many times... Seperatist or Federalist, we all are Nationalist. We all consider ourselves Québécoise/Québécois. But for the federalist, they condiser themselves secondly, Canadian.
 

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Numure said:
ThorsHamburger said:
Numure said:
ThorsHamburger said:
Numure said:
Patriot? Who the hell is talking about Patriotism? It doesnt exist in Canada. And shouldnt.

Speak for yourself. I know alot of proud patriotic Canadians.

I<m not Canadian... I do not know anyone (federalist or seperatist) that are patriots.

What do you mean youre not Canadian?Then what are you?

Québécois. I've repeated this many times... Seperatist or Federalist, we all are Nationalist. We all consider ourselves Québécoise/Québécois. But for the federalist, they condiser themselves secondly, Canadian.

So you want to seperate? If so why? And if it happens what do really think a Quebec would be like after seperation?
 

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ThorsHamburger said:
moghrabi said:
I think I am helping people like you know what is happeining in the world around them. Yes we are dependent on the US. And this is exactly why you should know more about them.

Patriot??? hehe

What makes you think I dont know whats going on in the world,because I dont go on about it negatively like you? I spent a number of years in the Canandian military and many more as a civilian travelling alot of Cananda and the US. Im well aware of whats going on in North America.
I repeat my question How are you helping Canada? How is how some Americans feel about us even relevant.

I am not saying you are not informed about what is happening in North America. But this forum is for all and not only for you. If you are aware as you say then move on. There are a lot of people here like to know more.
 

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ThorsHamburger said:
Numure said:
ThorsHamburger said:
Numure said:
ThorsHamburger said:
Numure said:
Patriot? Who the hell is talking about Patriotism? It doesnt exist in Canada. And shouldnt.

Speak for yourself. I know alot of proud patriotic Canadians.

I<m not Canadian... I do not know anyone (federalist or seperatist) that are patriots.

What do you mean youre not Canadian?Then what are you?

Québécois. I've repeated this many times... Seperatist or Federalist, we all are Nationalist. We all consider ourselves Québécoise/Québécois. But for the federalist, they condiser themselves secondly, Canadian.

So you want to seperate? If so why? And if it happens what do really think a Quebec would be like after seperation?

Let me answer this question if I may Mr. Hamburger. If Quebecois want to separate then they must. And we should help them build a very successful country. It is their right to decide their own destiny.

How an independent Quebec will look like, I think it will be a very civil society, with its own resources and it's own government.

Do youu think that if they separate they will be begging us Canadians to take them back. No. They will survive.
 

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ThorsHamburger said:
So you want to seperate??

Yes, I am a seperatist. For many reasons, that go far beyond the history of my people, but my own personnal experiences.

ThorsHamburger said:
If so why?

Do you Speak french? I doubt so... But I speak english? Is this fair? No, it isnt. Are english institutions here funded by the Provincial Goverment? Are French Institutions in the other provinces except New-Brunswick funded by the Provincial Goverments?

Québec is socialist, liberal minded, and progressive in its social adventures. We wish to grow, to allow our Nation to prosper, with multi culturalisme (with french as the common language). We wish to Nationalise more of our key industries. We want better health care, education, social program and social liberties.

Sadly, with the Current Federal model, we can't. We have reach our limit. The limit of wich our Nation can grow under the current Centralist Federalism of Canada. We want more. We want to control our own destiny. We want to be closer to our European cousins, to our African Brothers and our Asian Counter Parts. Again, we don't fully control this, And we won't, until either Canada's current Federalisme is re engineered, or we Seperate.

I see a bright futur for Québec, where we can negotiate with Ottawa as equals. No more imposing of "Give-away-our-resources-to-America-Treaties" *cough* NAFTA *cough*. No more "I'm-straped-for-cash" so we won't give any return on the money you give us in taxes. No more "Go-back-to-France-Frogs" from our supposedly co-citizens.

Want me to go on?
 

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GO Numure GO

This is beautiful. Free Quebec. I like it when you said "We want to be closer to our European cousins, to our African Brothers and our Asian Counter Parts"

Good
 

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moghrabi said:
GO Numure GO

This is beautiful. Free Quebec. I like it when you said "We want to be closer to our European cousins, to our African Brothers and our Asian Counter Parts"

Good

Contrary to what many think, most seperatist do not want a Quebec closed on itself. Who is protesting against Ottawa's profiling of Arabs? Limiting their immigration here? The Bloc in the Québec population (in majority). We love all the different cultures that live here with us. It isnt a us against them issue. Its a us controling our own destiny.
 

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moghrabi said:
GO Numure GO

This is beautiful. Free Quebec. I like it when you said "We want to be closer to our European cousins, to our African Brothers and our Asian Counter Parts"

Good

Oh please, you guys are hilarious. It will never happen. Your own premeire knows it. He just plays the seperation card to get more special treatment. If it werent for the federal government protecting your culture and french language your culture would be a shadow of what it is today.You owe your very existence to the federal government.
IF quebec seperated you would be bought up so fast by the US and other Canadians you wouldnt know what hit you.
Your "nation will fall into civil disarray(remember not every quebecer wants to seperate) and the resulting instability would plummet the value of everything you hold so dear and you would have a mass exodus as everyone jumped ship.
And its not YOUR "nation" to decide what to do with only. This is a democratic nation, the majority rules.
You wouldnt last a a decade.
 

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Big Brother France would be more then happy to assist us. They have always supported our fight for freedom. Did you know, our premier (let it be a Seperatist or Federalist) visits the French President every year. Jean Charest (A Federalist, our current Premier. Seemingly, you ignore this) visit him just a few months ago.


<We don't owe the sirvival of our Culture to Ottawa. Actually, Ottawa was one that wanted to assmililate us as well. We owe the sirvaval of our culture to ourselves. Even after 100 years of British attemps to assmilate, we survived. Thanks Ottawa, for actually not doing anything.
 

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Numure said:
Big Brother France would be more then happy to assist us. They have always supported our fight for freedom. Did you know, our premier (let it be a Seperatist or Federalist) visits the French President every year. Jean Charest (A Federalist, our current Premier. Seemingly, you ignore this) visit him just a few months ago.


<We don't owe the sirvival of our Culture to Ottawa. Actually, Ottawa was one that wanted to assmililate us as well. We owe the sirvaval of our culture to ourselves. Even after 100 years of British attemps to assmilate, we survived. Thanks Ottawa, for actually not doing anything.

They wanted to assimilate you but instead passed laws to protect you. Now do you see. You have been given special treatment other wise your culture would not have survived on its own. And the french protectionist laws to this day hinder your economy.If you think you are doing ok now , you would do much better without the restriction and and more companies would want to invest due to better stability. If you only knew how many companies havent invested in quebec due to this you might sing a different tune.
And what exactly do think france will do. Pick up Quebec and put you into its pocket. You have some real issues to deal with if you seperate. At best you could get some economic and military asistance. But you are surrounded by two powerful nations.
You have to be more realistic.