Why is Obama telling us to give up on OUR sovereignty when he'd never surrender his?

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As President Obama touches down in Britain today, he need have no fear that Air Force One will be hit by a stray drone, as happened last Sunday to a British Airways aircraft over London.

In order to ensure the safety of the President, the UK's National Air Traffic Service has placed a restriction on the flying of drones in large parts of the capital from this morning until Sunday evening.

Tens of thousands of people fly into London every day without the National Air Traffic Service imposing a ban on drones. Their lives would appear to be taken less seriously by the authorities than the single life of the President of the United States.


Obama's main mission is to persuade the British people in the most tactful way not to vote to leave the European Union. There will be much talk of 'the special relationship', a phrase only ever trotted out for credulous British ears in order to flatter us.

My suspicion is that although the message will be welcomed by the majority of the political class which wants us to remain part of the EU, it will go down much less well with many British people, who do not like to be told what to do by the leader of a foreign country, even one as historically close to Britain as the United States...

STEPHEN GLOVER: Why is Obama telling us to give up on OUR sovereignty when he'd never surrender a drop of his own?


By Stephen Glover for the Daily Mail
21 April 2016
Daily Mail

As President Obama touches down in Britain today, he need have no fear that Air Force One will be hit by a stray drone, as happened last Sunday to a British Airways aircraft over London.

In order to ensure the safety of the President, the UK's National Air Traffic Service has placed a restriction on the flying of drones in large parts of the capital from this morning until Sunday evening.

Tens of thousands of people fly into London every day without the National Air Traffic Service imposing a ban on drones. Their lives would appear to be taken less seriously by the authorities than the single life of the President of the United States.

But then Barack Obama is the head of state of our closest ally, and as such is treated more reverentially by our political class than any other person on the planet. We are grateful to be noticed by any American President, and love to be taken seriously.

Obama's main mission is to persuade the British people in the most tactful way not to vote to leave the European Union. There will be much talk of 'the special relationship', a phrase only ever trotted out for credulous British ears in order to flatter us.


As President Obama (pictured) touches down in Britain today, his main mission will be to persuade the British people in the most tactful way not to vote to leave the European Union. However, it could backfire

He will say we are stronger and richer and more important as members of the EU than we would be standing by ourselves in isolation.

A similar point was made yesterday in a letter signed by eight former U.S. treasury secretaries, which was presumably orchestrated by No. 10.

My suspicion is that although the message will be welcomed by the majority of the political class which wants us to remain part of the EU, it will go down much less well with many British people, who do not like to be told what to do by the leader of a foreign country, even one as historically close to Britain as the United States.

Most people will surely grasp the truth, which is that in urging us to stay in the EU, President Obama and the eight ex-treasury secretaries are thinking not of what will be best for us, but of what is best for the United States.

It suits America to have Britain — which, let's face it, is in many ways a client state — as a kind of bridge into the European Union, which is made up of countries often less malleable and well-disposed towards the United States. France, for example.

We speak English. We share intelligence. The Americans sell us nuclear missiles. We have fought a succession of wars together, with Britain as a progressively junior partner.

Of course, Washington wants us on the inside of this unruly and disputatious club of strange foreigners who may sometimes harbour anti-American feelings. It is obviously in U.S. interests for us to remain members, but it doesn't follow that it is in our interests.

I'm afraid it only shows how much we are taken for granted that an American President can come here and think it seemly to tell us what to do. If the United States ever thought of forming some sort of union with, say, Mexico, no British Prime Minister would dream of uttering a public word of protest or advice.


Obama (left) will say we are stronger and richer and more important as members of the EU than we would be standing by ourselves in isolation

But then it is inconceivable that America would ever think of sharing her sovereignty with any other nation on Earth. This is not primarily, if at all, because it is a vast and powerful country. Even when she was weak, the United States was proudly and defiantly independent.

What was America in 1776, when she broke away from the mighty colonial power that was Britain, but a motley collection of undeveloped and under-populated states occupying a portion of a still largely undiscovered country?

America is grounded in an almost sacred idea of separateness, a belief that she was chosen by God to be unique. Only after 1941, when she entered World War II, did she divest herself of her deep isolationist principles — to the great benefit of civilisation and the free world.

Yet despite having assumed her responsibilities as a world power, America has remained fiercely protective of her sovereignty. It is not impossible to imagine her withdrawing from her role as the world's policeman, but it is inconceivable that she would ever voluntarily cede an ounce of sovereignty.

Boris Johnson recently made the same point, and was attacked by the Labour MP Stephen Kinnock, who claimed the United States has pooled its sovereignty by being part of Nato, whose members undertake to come to one another's aid if attacked. He's wrong.

Forming an alliance with one or more countries is not the same as putting oneself at the mercy of a foreign jurisdiction.

The United States would never accept the rulings of a court based in Vancouver or Bogota as we are required to obey the rulings of the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg. American lawmakers could not conceive of being obliged to adopt a policy they didn't like, as frequently happens to the United Kingdom when we are outvoted in Brussels.


President Obama (left) and the eight ex-treasury secretaries are thinking not of what will be best for us, but of what is best for the United States

Why is America, which so zealously defends her own sovereignty and independence, so blind to Britain's predicament? Why does she urge us to accept shared arrangements which her own history of rugged self-determination would lead her to reject?

The answer is that the United States is being selfish, and thinking only of what is best for her. This is hardly surprising. It's what countries do. Though America is our closest and most reliable ally, there have been several occasions in the past half-century or so when she has overridden or ignored British interests.

For example, after the Anglo-French invasion of Suez in 1956, President Eisenhower forced British and French troops to withdraw, humiliating Britain and ending her status as a major Middle-Eastern power. Eisenhower later regretted what he had done.

And when American forces invaded Grenada in 1983, much to the dismay of the British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, the Reagan administration couldn't care less that the tiny Caribbean island was a member of the Commonwealth and its head of state the Queen.

Equally, before the 1982 Falklands war, there was strong pressure within the Reagan administration for the British to accept a compromise peace plan, and in some quarters outright opposition to our re-taking the islands from the Argentinians. Admittedly, the United States finally provided valuable strategic support.

It is also the case that during the Northern Irish troubles, successive American administrations declined to clamp down on the funding of the IRA for fear of offending the powerful Irish-American lobby.

None of this is especially discreditable to the United States, which was only acting in accordance with what she believed were her own interests. It is clear, though, that in these instances, American interests were not the same as British ones.

Nor are they now, though craven Tories long accustomed to bending the knee can't see the difference. Our assigned role in the world should not be to act as a bridge for America into the European Union.

We should carefully assess what is best for us, in the knowledge that if we do withdraw from the EU, we will still be seen by the United States as her strongest and most dependable ally in Europe.

For myself, I shan't much mind when President Obama, having told us how wonderful we are, instructs us to stay. Most British people will have the good sense to realise that he only has American interests at heart.
 

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There will be much talk of 'the special relationship', a phrase only ever trotted out for credulous British ears in order to flatter us.

Yep. It's SO special to O'Bummer that shortly after getting elected he insulted Britain by returning the bust of Churchill that was given to the White House as a gift after WW2. And now the punk has the balls to ask Britain to continue screwing itself over for the benefit of the US?
 

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In this case i agree we should not sign anymore super trade deals that give up
sovereignty period. No country should be in a position where they cannot
protect the rights of their own citizens and we should ensure protection that our
natural resources remain the property of Canadians and we should ship only
finished product for higher prices.
 

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The Brits should vote to stay independent. Otherwise it will wind up carrying other loser countries.
 

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So America's Muslim Kenyan president and his wife have arrived on British soil. They are here to have lunch with the Queen at Windsor Castle and tell the British people that Britain - for America's interests, not Britain's - should remain in the EU.



A Sky News poll released this morning shows that 60% of British people think that Obama should keep out of the EU referendum campaign and 43% say his intervention - in which he is telling the British people that Britain should remain in the EU even though he'd never want America to join such an organisation - may force them to change their minds over which way they will vote.

The panicking government asking Obama to come over here to tell the British people to be good little boys and girls and to listen to Uncle Barack when he says we should vote to remain in the EU may backfire spectacularly.

How is keeping drones (probably piloted by rich English brats to whom laws don't apply) from bumping into airplanes a threat to your sovereignty? That fragile?

Tens of thousands of people fly into London every day without the National Air Traffic Service imposing a ban on drones. Their lives would appear to be taken less seriously by the authorities than the single life of the President of the United States.

Here's son of a Mau Mau writing to the British people in The Telegraph...

Barack Obama: As your friend, let me say that the EU makes Britain even greater



Barack Obama President of the United States
22 April 2016
The Telegraph

In 1939, President Franklin D Roosevelt offered a toast to King George VI in the White House. “I am persuaded that the greatest single contribution our two countries have been enabled to make to civilisation, and to the welfare of peoples throughout the world,” he said, “is the example we have jointly set by our manner of conducting relations between our two nations.”

Nearly 80 years later, the United Kingdom remains a friend and ally to the United States like no other. Our special relationship was forged as we spilt blood together on the battlefield. It was fortified as we built and sustained the architecture for advancing stability and prosperity in Europe, and our democratic values around the globe. From the ashes of war, those who came before us had the foresight to create the international institutions and initiatives to sustain a prosperous peace: the United Nations and Nato; Bretton Woods, the Marshall Plan, and the European Union. Their efforts provided a foundation for democracy, open markets, and the rule of law, while underwriting more than seven decades of relative peace and prosperity in Europe.

Today, we face tests to this order – terrorism and aggression; migration and economic headwinds – challenges that can only be met if the United States and the United Kingdom can rely on one another, on our special relationship, and on the partnerships that lead to progress.

During my visit to London, Prime Minister Cameron and I will take on the full array of these challenges. We must be resolute and adaptive in our efforts to prevent terrorist attacks against our people, and to continue the progress we are making to roll back the threat posed by Islamic State (Isil) until it is destroyed. We must work to resolve political conflicts in the Middle East – from Yemen to Syria to Libya – so that there is a prospect for increased stability. We must continue to invest in Nato – so that we can meet our overseas commitments from Afghanistan to the Aegean, and reassure allies who are rightly concerned about Russian aggression. And we must continue to promote global growth, so that our young people can achieve greater opportunity and prosperity.

I realise that there’s been considerable speculation – and some controversy – about the timing of my visit. And I confess: I do want to wish Her Majesty a happy birthday in person.

But also I understand that there’s a spirited campaign under way here. My country is going through much the same. And ultimately, the question of whether or not the UK remains a part of the EU is a matter for British voters to decide for yourselves.

That said, when President Roosevelt toasted to our special relationship that night, he also remarked that we are friends who have no fear of each other. So I will say, with the candour of a friend, that the outcome of your decision is a matter of deep interest to the United States. The tens of thousands of Americans who rest in Europe’s cemeteries are a silent testament to just how intertwined our prosperity and security truly are. And the path you choose now will echo in the prospects of today’s generation of Americans as well.

As citizens of the United Kingdom take stock of their relationship with the EU, you should be proud that the EU has helped spread British values and practices – democracy, the rule of law, open markets – across the continent and to its periphery. The European Union doesn’t moderate British influence – it magnifies it. A strong Europe is not a threat to Britain’s global leadership; it enhances Britain’s global leadership. The United States sees how your powerful voice in Europe ensures that Europe takes a strong stance in the world, and keeps the EU open, outward looking, and closely linked to its allies on the other side of the Atlantic. So the US and the world need your outsized influence to continue – including within Europe.

In this complicated, connected world, the challenges facing the EU – migration, economic inequality, the threats of terrorism and climate change – are the same challenges facing the United States and other nations. And in today’s world, even as we all cherish our sovereignty, the nations who wield their influence most effectively are the nations that do it through the collective action that today’s challenges demand.

When we negotiated the historic deal to verifiably prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, it was collective action, working together with the permanent members of the UN Security Council and Germany, that got the job done. And the EU’s seat at the table magnified the United Kingdom’s voice.

When the climate agreement in Paris needed a push, it was the European Union, fortified by the United Kingdom, that ultimately helped make that agreement possible.

When it comes to creating jobs, trade, and economic growth in line with our values, the UK has benefited from its membership in the EU – inside a single market that provides enormous opportunities for the British people. And the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership with the EU will advance our values and our interests, and establish the high-standard, pro-worker rules for trade and commerce in the 21st century economy.

This kind of cooperation – from intelligence sharing and counterterrorism to forging agreements to create jobs and economic growth – will be far more effective if it extends across Europe. Now is a time for friends and allies to stick together.

Together, the United States, the United Kingdom, and the European Union have turned centuries of war in Europe into decades of peace, and worked as one to make this world a safer, better place. What a remarkable legacy that is. And what a remarkable legacy we will leave when, together, we meet the challenges of this young century as well.


Barack Obama: As your friend, let me say that the EU makes Britain even greater
 

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Yep. It's SO special to O'Bummer that shortly after getting elected he insulted Britain by returning the bust of Churchill that was given to the White House as a gift after WW2. And now the punk has the balls to ask Britain to continue screwing itself over for the benefit of the US?

That bust of Churchill was given by Britain to America as a gift after 9/11.

The Remain camp are trying to smear London Mayor and prominent Leave campaigner Boris Johnson as a "racist" after Mr Johnson - who is favourite to succeed David Cameron as Prime Minister - suggested the President got rid of the statue as a 'snub' to Britain's wartime prime minister and a 'symbol of the part-Kenyan President's ancestral dislike of the British empire'.

But despite merely stating a fact - Obama IS part-Kenyan - Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell hit out at Mr Johnson and demanded he withdraw the controversial remarks.

He wrote on Twitter: 'Mask slips again. Boris part-Kenyan Obama comment is yet another example of dog whistle racism from senior Tories. He should withdraw it.'

And Diane Abbott, Shadow International Development Secretary, hit out at Mr Johnson, describing his remarks as 'offensive' and said they echoed those of the Tea Party's right-wing, anti-immigration tendency in the US.


Read more: Boris Johnson likened to the right-wing Tea Party after his attack on Barack Obama* | Daily Mail Online

Just so you know, Mr McDonnell is the left-winger who, in 2003,
made a speech hailing the IRA’s "bombs and bullets and sacrifice" and said that the IRA should be "honoured" for their bombings and his fellow left-winger Diane Abbott is the black politician who attracted widespread criticism in 1996 when she claimed that at her local hospital "blonde, blue-eyed Finnish girls" were unsuitable as nurses because they had "never met a black person before". Abbott's apology came as Marc Wadsworth, executive member of the Anti-Racist Alliance, who is himself half Finnish, pointed out that the present Miss Finland, Lola Odusoga, is black, of Nigerian and Finnish descent. "She's a black Finn like me," he said.

So I think the Remain campaigners are playing a very dangerous game here if they are trying to portray the leading Leave campaigner as "offensive" and "racist", because all they are doing is showing themselves to be the huge hypocrities they really are. And Boris is probably the most popular politician in Britain.

 
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