Why Every Leftist Needs to Listen to Khrushchev

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I've been listening to a podcast series called the "Russian Rulers History Podcast" and it has given me a better, more thorough, and more-informed course in Russian History than I'm sure any of the hacks posing as liberal arts colleges would. It has provided me a lot of understanding about communism, its origins, as well as the reason it came about in Russia. However, in this particular episode I am amazed to hear, out of Nikita Khrushchev own mouth, his opinions on communism and economics in Russia.

Not because he is basically admitting the economic policies of communism are failing his people.

And not because (unlike pretty much every previous leader of Russia) he dares to admit it.

But because of his complete naivety and cluelessness about economics.

I would have figured an ardent communist, a former leader of the USSR, when writing his memoirs would have a FULLY REHEARSED, SCRIPTED, and POLISHED explanation as to why there was no food, toilet paper or meat available to the Russian people (especially under his reign). But it is amazing the man who was once pounding his shoe, telling the "Imperialist Western Capitalist Pigs" he would bury us, admits his economic policies are failing.

The thing that really gets me though is how apparent it is he just doesn't get it. Here's a man in his 60's, maybe 70's, who went through the communist system his entire life, from the lowest ranked pledge in the youth communist party, to the premier of the Soviet Union, and if you ask him "why isn't there enough bread?" he has no answers.

He has great observations.
He has great explanations.
His logic about how people reaction and behave in an economy is sound.

But when it comes to solutions, all he can say is "I just don't get it."

Perhaps he was too brainwashed to realize how free markets and free people would have solved all the economic problems of the USSR. Perhaps after serving under Stalin coming up with new ideas was just not possible for his psyche. The point is largely (and tragically) moot since hundreds of millions either died, starved, were murdered, tortured, or at minimum suffered MUCH lesser lives than was necessary simply because the leaders of this idiotic economic religion just couldn't admit they were wrong.

Regardless, these precious words of Khrushchev, which make it painfully clear he was not only wrong, but had no clue what he was doing, is absolute mandatory listening for not just rightists, but especially leftists. Because if the god damned leader of the Soviet Union was so flimsy and weak on economics, then how much more weak and flimsy is your average spoiled brat liberal arts college student?

Seriously, it's like the pope admitting Catholicism is all wrong, yet your commoner Catholics, who never read the bible, would argue that it's still "all right."

Captain Capitalism: Why Every Leftist Needs to Listen to Khrushchev

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First, like many right wingers you are confusing leftists with communists. That is the equivalent of calling every conservative a fascist. The extremes of any ideology are always dogmatic; clinging to a philosophy despite ample evidence that it does not work. You can see this in the history of the USSR where the dogmatic leaders struggled for 70 years to make their system work despite the fat that it clearly did not; and especially given the fact that their Chinese cousins began to loosen the strictures of Chinese communism after only thirty years. Similarly you have dogmatic free-enterprisers still desperately trying to make trickle-down economics work despite repeated failures and a gap between rich and poor that continues to widen.

AS for Kruschev (I've seen this name spelled four or five different ways) he was not a very well educated man; exactly the sort to accept economic dogma without really questioning if it worked or not; and especially given the fact that for a short time the USSR actually seemed to be outperforming the United States.
 

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actually it is rightists in colleges and media that need to learn this info:


WALL STREET AND THE BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION


WALL STREET
AND THE
BOLSHEVIK
REVOLUTION

By
Antony C. Sutton
TABLE OF CONTENTS
Preface Chapter I: The Actors on the Revolutionary Stage
Chapter II: Trotsky Leaves New York to Complete the Revolution
Woodrow Wilson and a Passport for Trotsky
Canadian Government Documents on Trotsky's Release
Canadian Military Intelligence Views Trotsky
Trotsky's Intentions and Objectives

Chapter III: Lenin and German Assistance for the Bolshevik Revolution
The Sisson Documents
The Tug-of-War in Washington

Chapter IV: Wall Street and the World Revolution
American Bankers and Tsarist Loans
Olof Aschberg in New York, 1916
Olof Aschberg in the Bolshevik Revolution
Nya Banken and Guaranty Trust Join Ruskombank
Guaranty Trust and German Espionage in the United States, 1914-1917
The Guaranty Trust-Minotto-Caillaux Threads
Chapter V: The American Red Cross Mission in Russia — 1917
American Red Cross Mission to Russia — 1917
American Red Cross Mission to Rumania
Thompson in Kerensky's Russia
Thompson Gives the Bolsheviks $1 Million
Socialist Mining Promoter Raymond Robins
The International Red Cross and Revolution
Chapter VI: Consolidation and Export of the Revolution
A Consultation with Lloyd George
Thompson's Intentions and Objectives
Thompson Returns to the United States
The Unofficial Ambassadors: Robins, Lockhart, and Sadoul
Exporting the Revolution: Jacob H. Rubin
Exporting the Revolution: Robert Minor
Chapter VII: The Bolsheviks Return to New York
A Raid on the Soviet Bureau in New York
Corporate Allies for the Soviet Bureau
European Bankers Aid the Bolsheviks
Chapter VIII: 120 Broadway, New York City
American International Corporation
The Influence of American International on the Revolution
The Federal Reserve Bank of New York
American-Russian Industrial Syndicate Inc.
John Reed: Establishment Revolutionary
John Reed and the Metropolitan Magazine
Chapter IX: Guaranty Trust Goes to Russia
Wall Street Comes to the Aid of Professor Lomonossoff
The Stage Is Set for Commercial Exploitation of Russia
Germany and the United States Struggle for Russian Business
Soviet Gold and American Banks
Max May of Guaranty Trust Becomes Director of Ruskombank
Chapter X: J.P. Morgan Gives a Little Help to the Other Side
United Americans Formed to Fight Communism
United Americans Reveals "Startling Disclosures" on Reds
Conclusions Concerning United Americans
Morgan and Rockefeller Aid Kolchak
Chapter XI: The Alliance of Bankers and Revolution
The Evidence Presented: A Synopsis
The Explanation for the Unholy Alliance
The Marburg Plan
Appendix I: Directors of Major Banks,
Firms, and Institutions Mentioned
in This Book (as in 1917-1918)

Appendix II: The Jewish-Conspiracy Theory of the
Bolshevik Revolution

Appendix III: Selected Documents from Government
Files of the United States and Great Britain

Selected Bibliography Index






CONSERVATIVE Anthony Sutton knew this was all true.
 

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Point Lost

AS for Kruschev (I've seen this name spelled four or five different ways) he was not a very well educated man; exactly the sort to accept economic dogma without really questioning if it worked or not; and especially given the fact that for a short time the USSR actually seemed to be outperforming the United States.


Pillaging does have its benefits.
 

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EagleSmack; said:



Point Lost








''
Professor Sutton (1925-2002).
ANTONY C. SUTTON was born in London and educated at the universities of London, Gottingen, and California. A citizen of the United States since 1962, he was a Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution for War, Revolution and Peace at Stanford, California from 1968 to 1973, where he produced the monumental three-volume study, Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development.
In 1974, Professor Sutton completed National Suicide: Military Aid to the Soviet Union, a best-selling study of Western, primarily American, technological and financial assistance to the U.S.S.R. Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler is his fourth book exposing the role of American corporate insiders in financing international socialism. The two other books in this series are Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution and Wall Street and FDR.
Professor Sutton has contributed articles to Human Events, The Review of the News, Triumph, Ordnance, National Review, and many other journals.''




All are CONSERVATIVE publications.




Thus, Point MADE!
 

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Pillaging does have its benefits.

Pillaging had very little to do with it. During the late 40s and 50s the USSR focused on repairing war damage and establishing basic infrastructure. As a result economic growth was rapid, easily outperforming the USA which had a more mature economy. However, as the USSR attempted to diversify its economy to supply its population with more consumer goods the complexity of the centrally planned system overwhelmed the ability of state planners. The result was shoddy goods; shortages; the development of a black market; and continued failures of production targets. It didn't help that at one time the USSR was diverting up to 20% of its resources into the military (compared to a maximum of 6% for the USA during the same period).