Forget 'evil' Putin - we are the bloodthirsty warmongers

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The Daily Mail's Peter Hitchens takes the opposite view that many of us have and argues that it is the EU, not Russia, who are the bad guys...


PETER HITCHENS: Forget 'evil' Putin - we are the bloodthirsty warmongers

By Peter Hitchens for The Mail on Sunday
21 December 2014
Daily Mail

"Since 1989, Moscow, the supposed aggressor, has – without fighting or losing a war – peacefully ceded control over roughly 180 million people, and roughly 700,000 square miles of valuable territory.

The EU (and its military wing, Nato) have in the same period gained control over more than 120 million of those people, and almost 400,000 of those square miles.

Until a year ago, Ukraine remained non-aligned between the two great European powers. But the EU wanted its land, its 48 million people (such a reservoir of cheap labour!) its Black Sea coast, its coal and its wheat."

Villain or victim? Vladimir Putin in aggressive form - but we may be pushing him too far

This is a time of year for memories, and the ones that keep bothering me are from my childhood, which seemed at the time to be wholly happy and untroubled.

Yet all the adults in my life still dwelt in the shadow of recent war. This was not the glamorous, exciting side of war, but the miserable, fearful and hungry aspect.

My mother, even in middle-class suburban prosperity, couldn’t throw away an eggshell without running her finger round it to get out the last of the white. No butcher dared twice to try to cheat her on the weights.

Haunted all her life by rationing, she would habitually break a chocolate bar into its smallest pieces. She had also been bombed from the air in Liverpool, and had developed a fatalism to cope with the nightly danger of being blown to pieces, shocking to me then and since.

I am now beset by these ingrained memories of shortage and danger because I seem surrounded by people who think that war might be fun. This seems to happen when wartime generations are pushed aside by their children, who need to learn the truth all over again.

It seemed fairly clear to me from her experiences that war had in fact been a miserable affair of fear, hunger, threadbare darned clothes, broken windows and insolent officials. And that was a victory, more or less, though my father (who fought in it) was never sure of that.

Now I seem surrounded by people who actively want a war with Russia, a war we all might lose. They seem to believe that we are living in a real life Lord Of The Rings, in which Moscow is Mordor and Vladimir Putin is Sauron. Some humorous artists in Moscow, who have noticed this, have actually tried to set up a giant Eye of Sauron on a Moscow tower.


Moscow: Eye of Sauron

We think we are the heroes, setting out with brave hearts to confront the Dark Lord, and free the saintly Ukrainians from his wicked grasp.

This is all the most utter garbage. Since 1989, Moscow, the supposed aggressor, has – without fighting or losing a war – peacefully ceded control over roughly 180 million people, and roughly 700,000 square miles of valuable territory.

The EU (and its military wing, Nato) have in the same period gained control over more than 120 million of those people, and almost 400,000 of those square miles.

Until a year ago, Ukraine remained non-aligned between the two great European powers. But the EU wanted its land, its 48 million people (such a reservoir of cheap labour!) its Black Sea coast, its coal and its wheat.

So first, it spent £300 million (some of it yours) on anti-Russian ‘civil society’ groups in Ukraine.

Then EU and Nato politicians broke all the rules of diplomacy and descended on Kiev to take sides with demonstrators who demanded that Ukraine align itself with the EU.


Fall: There is a complacent joy about the collapse of the rouble. Above, the dollar-rouble rate on Friday

Imagine how you’d feel if Russian politicians had appeared in Edinburgh in September urging the Scots to vote for independence, or if Russian money had been used to fund pro-independence organisations.

Then a violent crowd (20 police officers died at its hands, according to the UN) drove the elected president from office, in violation of the Ukrainian constitution.

During all this process, Ukraine remained what it had been from the start – horrendously corrupt and dominated by shady oligarchs, pretty much like Russia.

If you didn’t want to take sides in this mess, I wouldn’t at all blame you. But most people seem to be doing so.


Taking sides: Britain and the US have backed the Gulf states' desire to destroy the Assad government in Syria. While Russia has been a major obstacle


Since 1989, Moscow, the supposed aggressor, has – without fighting or losing a war – peacefully ceded control over roughly 180 million people, and roughly 700,000 square miles of valuable territory. The EU (and its military wing, Nato) have in the same period gained control over more than 120 million of those people, and almost 400,000 of those square miles

There seems to be a genuine appetite for confrontation in Washington, Brussels, London… and Saudi Arabia.

There is a complacent joy abroad about the collapse of the rouble, brought about by the mysterious fall in the world’s oil price.

It’s odd to gloat about this strange development, which is also destroying jobs and business in this country. Why are the Gulf oil states not acting – as they easily could and normally would – to prop up the price of the product that makes them rich?

I do not know, but there’s no doubt that Mr Putin’s Russia has been a major obstacle to the Gulf states’ desire to destroy the Assad government in Syria, and that the USA and Britain have (for reasons I long to know) taken the Gulf’s side in this.

But do we have any idea what we are doing? Ordinary Russians are pretty stoical and have endured horrors unimaginable to most of us, including a currency collapse in 1998 that ruined millions. But until this week they had some hope.

If anyone really is trying to punish the Russian people for being patriotic, by debauching the rouble, I cannot imagine anything more irresponsible. It was the destruction of the German mark in 1922, and the wipeout of the middle class that resulted, which led directly to Hitler.

Stupid, ill-informed people nowadays like to compare Mr Putin with Hitler. I warn them and you that, if we succeed in overthrowing Mr Putin by unleashing hyper-inflation in Russia, we may find out what a Russian Hitler is really like. And that a war in Europe is anything but fun.

So, as it’s almost Christmas, let us sing with some attention that bleakest and yet loveliest of carols, It Came Upon The Midnight Clear, stressing the lines that run ‘Man at war with man hears not the love song which they bring. Oh, hush the noise, ye men of strife, and hear the angels sing’.

Or gloat at your peril over the scenes of panic in Moscow.

 
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Blackleaf

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All Putins originally came from the clan of Putins from the Tver Oblast.

Illegitimate offsprings of noble families were often given cut names. For example, Russian writer Pnin was an illegitimate son of Field Marshal Repnin.

The family book of the Tver Oblast mentions the name of Putyanin – a clan of Russian princes. This clan gave a lot of outstanding military leaders to Russia, as well as artists, politicians and priests. This is one of the oldest clans in Russian history. If President Putin is a descendant of the Putyatins clan, this means that Vladimir Putin has a relation to all royal families of Europe.
 

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They are all war mongers face it. In addition if there was peace we'd all be in
recession and or worse. The sad truth is peace is nice but there ain't no money
in peace and our economies are geared for quasi peace or controlled war.
Syria is a moderate center left dictatorship and the majority of the Mid East States
are extreme right wing religious wing nuts some choices we have to make eh?
Putin is as much to blame as the Western 'States and the problem is we are all
trying to force our belief systems on others on both sides.
Democracy is a foreign concept in the Middle East and forcing on them is not good
secondly letting them come here is not that good either because they can't cope
with an open society Kipling said east is east and west is west and never the twain
shall meet and it appears he was right
 

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Open society! Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahhahahahhahah


Bottom line is Pukin's a f**king A$$hole!

The Daily Mail's Peter Hitchens takes the opposite view that many of us have and argues that it is the EU, not Russia, who are the bad guys...


PETER HITCHENS: Forget 'evil' Putin - we are the bloodthirsty warmongers

By Peter Hitchens for The Mail on Sunday
21 December 2014
Daily Mail


Villain or victim? Vladimir Putin in aggressive form - but we may be pushing him too far



The bastard should be pushed off a high building!
 

Cliffy

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Bottom line is Pukin's a f**king A$$hole!

The bastard should be pushed off a high building!
You read too much MSM propaganda. There are no good guys in this game. From bankers to world leaders to the top brass of all militarys, they are all psychopaths.
 

Blackleaf

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The bastard should be pushed off a high building!

Why? It's not his fault that the EU has been riling him. It was the land-grabbing EU, not Russia, which started the situation in Ukraine.
 

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Simple test. Which countries have fences and armed guards to keep their own citizens in?

Well, the U.S. has plenty of armed guards. And plenty of fences (and we're building more). And we have "no-fly" lists and "detain" lists at the borders to keep in people the government doesn't think should leave.

Was that the right answer?