Goal to end fossil fuels by 2050 surfaces in Lima UN climate documents

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It’s a rare thing when you can point to paragraphs in a United Nations climate negotiating text and feel they more or less match what most of the science says should become a reality.

Yet in Lima on Monday, it happened.

Our little revolutionary moment comes in a document with the memorable title “ADP 2-7 agenda item 3 Elements for a draft negotiating text” with its climate-busting section D (paragraph 13.2) outlining several possible long-term goals for a new climate change agreement.

Here’s a taster from the document, as it was at 6.30am in Lima, on 8 December 2014.
Parties’ efforts to take the form of:

a. A long-term zero emissions sustainable development pathway:
Consistent with emissions peaking for developed countries in 2015, with an aim of zero net emissions by 2050; in the context of equitable access to sustainable development

Consistent with carbon neutrality/net zero emissions by 2050, or full decarbonization by 2050 and/or negative emissions by 2100;....
In this context “Parties” refers to countries which are signatories to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change. Here in Lima, we are at a “Conference of the Parties” or COP.

The document in question is what’s known as a negotiating text, and in this case it contains a whole grab bag of aspirational long-term goals.

Those I’ve picked out are just a few of the more ambitious ones. I understand these were pushed into the document by countries, including Norway, the Marshall Islands, Sweden and a grouping of countries consisting of Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Peru and Panama.

It is a very early version of what, over the course of the next 12 months, will morph into a new global deal to be signed in Paris.
While a year seems like a long time, it’s not in the world of UN climate talks.

As one Australian observer pointed out, there are only six weeks of negotiating time on the UN’s schedule between now and Paris.
But if language such as “full decarbonization by 2050” were to become a reality, it basically defines an end point for the fossil fuel energy industry as we know it.

During a media briefing, I asked Ruth Davis, of Greenpeace UK, how likely it was that a decarbonisation goal could survive.
I think we have to say to ourselves that the chances of this stuff staying in the text are down to all of our collective efforts in demanding that this stays in the text. This is not only civil society but also progressive businesses who have to make their voices heard in keeping this in the text.

The chances of this stuff surviving are dependent on the efforts that we collectively make to influence politicians to do the right thing.
What is in this “elements” document isn’t likely to be challenged or negotiated this week – that will be thrashed out next year.
As veteran climate negotiations watcher Alden Meyer, of the Union of Concerned Scientists, explained:
This text won’t be settled here. It is an options text that then needs to be translated into a legal text and it won’t be decided until the last night at Paris. So which long-term goal survives the end of the day we won’t know until a year from now.
But there was incredible political momentum coming out of the climate summit in New York where about 60 national leaders endorsed the need for a long-term goal as part of the Paris agreement and that number is continuing to grow. We have more and more businesses, faith groups and unions speaking out – there is a momentum building around this and I think by Paris next year the chances of a strong goal staying in the agreement are probably much greater than they are right now.
In an early evening briefing, climate scientist Dr Malte Meinshausen explained the 2050 decarbonisation date was derived from statements in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reports.

He said that from 2011, the world could afford to emit no more than 1000bn tonnes (Gt) of CO2 to have a good chance of staying below 2C of global warming (some poorer countries and low-lying states say the aim should be 1.5C). Meinshausen said:
At current rates we churn through 33Gt a year – 1000Gt divided by 33 means we have about 30 years left from 2011 onwards. Then the carbon budget will be exhausted.
At some point emissions have to go to zero, no matter what. There is no way around zero CO2 emissions. As long as we continue to emit CO2, the climate will continue to warm.
Not only does the decarbonisation proposal broadly match the kind of efforts climate change scientists say would be needed to avoid dangerous climate change, it also matches the level of ambition climate campaigners have been asking for.

The campaign group AVAAZ has a petition with more than two million signatories that also asks for decarbonisation by 2050.
The campaign director of Avaaz, Iain Keith, told me:
This isn’t a target that’s been dreamt up in Lima. All over the world, millions of people have backed the call for 100% clean energy, with grassroots campaigns rolling out in towns and cities everywhere to get emissions to zero. The world is waking up to the fact that a renewables revolution isn’t just possible, it’s inevitable.
The options on the table for world leaders seem simpler in the context of a long-term goal such as decarbonisation by 2050.
Either the goal survives or the world moves to a riskier and more dangerous future.

Whether or not some countries want to be responsible for facilitating that risk by killing a long-term goal to decarbonise, only time and many more late-night negotiations will tell.

Goal to end fossil fuels by 2050 surfaces in Lima UN climate documents | Graham Readfearn | Environment | The Guardian


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Colpy

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Oh PLEASE!!

Spare me.

These guys must be smoking a lot of dope on their little beach vacation at the expense of the peasants.
 

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Lima Climate Talks Set Record Carbo Footprint

Lima Climate Talks Set for Record Carbon Footprint - US News

They had to BUILD the venue instead of using existing buildings.

Diesel Generators used for electricity as solar power is not reliable.

Jet fuel for 11,000 delegates.

300 hired buses as there is no public transportation to venue. All fossil fuel.

Hypocrites... wasteful polluting hypocrites.
 

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Re: Lima Climate Talks Set Record Carbo Footprint

Lima Climate Talks Set for Record Carbon Footprint - US News

They had to BUILD the venue instead of using existing buildings.

Diesel Generators used for electricity as solar power is not reliable.

Jet fuel for 11,000 delegates.

300 hired buses as there is no public transportation to venue. All fossil fuel.

Hypocrites... wasteful polluting hypocrites.

Cheap coke and lots of it.
 

EagleSmack

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Having brand new facilities built for a conference when there are tens of thousands of conference centers already built around the world.

Does anyone think Peru is footing the bill in it's entirety? At all?

Wasteful irresponsible alarmists.
 

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Mentalfloss?? Waldo?? Are you listening?

How insane do you have to be to follow these con artists?
 

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Mentalfloss?? Waldo?? Are you listening?

How insane do you have to be to follow these con artists?

The 'climate change is not a problem cuz people I don't like pollute' argument.
 

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"This isn’t a target that’s been dreamt up in Lima. All over the world, millions of people have backed the call for 100% clean energy, with grassroots campaigns rolling out in towns and cities everywhere to get emissions to zero. The world is waking up to the fact that a renewables revolution isn’t just possible, it’s inevitable"






Is this another epic fail by the deniers like climate gate?


A carbon based life form speaks out against carbon. See what they made you think, it's your carbon they want to pellitize to burn in their fireplaces, They must have all the carbon.


What fossil fuels? 2050 hahahahahahahahahhaahahahahha
 

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The 'climate change is not a problem cuz people I don't like pollute' argument.

No.

You are really missing the elephant in the room.

Climate change is obviously to be seriously doubted when the greatest proponents of same are proven to be hypocrites and con artists.
 

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GW is coming and all the BS about treaties is just that BS.
And if anyone thinks the developing world will sacrifice jobs, education, economic expansion for a surging population that is dirt poor, improvement in heath care. Share what they are smocking with me.

The best the world can do is try to mitigate the impacts Countries such as Bangladesh,
Then the next step and it will come will be geo engineering

Developing countries will have dramatically increased GG in the next 30 years.
Bangladesh - Pakistan- have pumped so much groundwater sea water has leeched into the soils.

Interactive map for sea level increases.
Global Sea Level Rise Map - Global Warming & Climate Change Impact

Then the mother of all Fuking with Mother Nature experiments - Geo engineering will be next.

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search...warming&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001

Exxon Issues Energy Reality Check as UN Debates Emissions - Businessweek

Even as the most advanced economies cut energy use by almost one tenth through 2040 and add hundreds of millions of fuel-efficient vehicles, booming growth in places like India, South Africa and Thailand will boost demand for fuels 36 percent, the Irving, Texas-based company said in its annual outlook. Emissions will surge as an expanding middle class in poorer nations demands electricity, schools and hospitals.


To limit the temperature increase to 2 degrees Celsius, a level seen as averting catastrophic climate disruptions, carbon emissions must fall about 39 percent from 2012 levels by 2040, the Paris-based IEA said in a report last month. If current policies remain in place, emissions will soar 58 percent.

2 Degrees Celsius

Exxon’s forecast assumes governments will enact policies to limit pollution and encourage energy efficiency. Emissions in India will rise the most among the major economies singled out in the report with a 140 percent increase over the next 26 years. Worldwide, the company expects carbon dioxide emissions to grow 20 percent by 2040, matching a forecast by the International Energy Agency
 

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Life in the warmer climates could be solar power and that would give every person all the modern gagets and be part of the 'home' rather than being state owned and supplied. That being said every person not in the warmer zones should have a piece of coal in their pocket just to stay warm. If solar doesn't work in the north then supply the power by some other method that promotes stand-alone over centralized delivery that way the coal lump can stay as a safety measure. A little freexing rain can ruin a power grid, in 'uncertain times' the lines won't be getting repaired so there the population is with no power and no lump of coal.
 

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The greatest political wallpaper job that has been done in decades.
We are talking about over time and that means governments will
come and go paying lip service to the doctrine of what would you
like us to say. Most of the governments won't be around when the
magic number 2050 comes. In short it won't happen. Will we see
improved fuel process, yes and we will see reductions because
the marketplace needs them not because bobbing heads predict
it will happen. This is some to muse about but not reality
Gee what are the Kardashians doing today.
 

mentalfloss

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No.

You are really missing the elephant in the room.

Climate change is obviously to be seriously doubted when the greatest proponents of same are proven to be hypocrites and con artists.

No one has been proven to be a con artist and just because some people aren't examples of environmental pariahs does not mean climate change does not exist.

I have no idea why you would think that the personal actions of the people organizing an event would compromise the science on climate change but there is no correlation between the two.