Malaysian charges Ukraine government shot down MH 17


darkbeaver
Republican
#1
Malaysian press charges Ukraine government shot down MH 17

Well the Malaysians have spoken out! Ukraine shot down their airliner and murdered
hundreds of people in an attempt to start WW3!

By Alex Lantier
9 August 2014

A Thursday article in the New Straits Times, Malaysia’s flagship English-language newspaper, charged the US- and European-backed Ukrainian regime in Kiev with shooting down Malaysian Airlines flight MH 17 in east Ukraine last month. Given the tightly controlled character of the Malaysian media, it appears that the accusation that Kiev shot down MH17 has the imprimatur of the Malaysian state.
 
MHz
#2
I can see this getting a lot of attention. lol
 
MHz
#3
I wonder if they noticed that are both into 'tie-die' fashion-wear?
Red Cross 'Ready to Facilitate' Russian Aid to East Ukraine — Naharnet (external - login to view)

 
petros
#4
Why do the Bolsheviks need aid?
 
MHz
#5
I assume this is why the Ukraine is no longer a 'topic', . . . again.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../mala-a09.html (external - login to view)
A Thursday article in the New Straits Times, Malaysia’s flagship English-language newspaper, charged the US- and European-backed Ukrainian regime in Kiev with shooting down Malaysian Airlines flight MH 17 in east Ukraine last month. Given the tightly controlled character of the Malaysian media, it appears that the accusation that Kiev shot down MH17 has the imprimatur of the Malaysian state.
The US and European media have buried this remarkable report, which refutes the wave of allegations planted by the CIA in international media claiming that Russian president Vladimir Putin was responsible for the destruction of MH17, without presenting any evidence to back up this charge.
The New Straits Times article, titled “US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft,” lays out evidence that Ukrainian fighter aircraft attacked the jetliner with first a missile, then with bursts of 30-millimeter machine gun fire from both sides of MH17. The Russian army has already presented (external - login to view) detailed radar and satellite data showing a Ukrainian Sukhoi-25 fighter jet tailing MH17 shortly before the jetliner crashed. The Kiev regime denied that its fighters were airborne in the area, however.
The New Straits Times article began, “Intelligence analysts in the United States have already concluded that Malaysia flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile, and that the Ukrainian government had had something to do with it. This corroborates an emerging theory postulated by local investigators that the Boeing 777-200 was crippled by an air-to-air missile and finished off with cannon fire from a jet that had been shadowing it as it plummeted to earth.”

Why is Kiev moving in weapons instead of real aid to the people if they care about them? Your thinking is 100 years out of date.
Ukraine Says Russian Humanitarian Aid Not Certified by Red Cross | World | RIA Novosti (external - login to view)
When asked at a briefing whether the Russian cargo will be allowed to cross the border, Andriy Lysenko gave no direct answer, saying, “This convoy is not certified by the International Committee of the Red Cross.”
The arrival of the 280-truck convoy with 2,000 tons of Russian humanitarian aid at the Ukrainian border is expected on Wednesday, August 13, a source told RIA Novosti on Tuesday. The aid includes 62 tons of baby food, 54 tons of medication and 12,000 sleeping bags, among other things.
 
B00Mer
Republican
#6
You don't think that they have unbiased info..

The US wants to ramp up emotions, giving them a reason to move troops into the Ukraine.. NO WMD's so they need the public support, lets blame Russia..

The Ukraine wants aid and troops to help fend of Russia, shoot down a plane and blame Russia.

I always figured, it was a sad situation and Putin needs to focus on building his country, vs taking over others..

With a growth of 0.08% and the lack of infrastructure in his country, loss of population.. he is not looking FAR into the future and trying to get short term gains..

For an economist, he is sucking Gulag big time, right now.
 
Nuggler
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Why do the Bolsheviks need aid?

I dunno, why do Bolsheviks need aid ?



(drum roll)
 
petros
#8
It's all an Aluminaughty/Jew banker/CIA/repitilian, false flag conspiracy to undermine St Vlad.
 
B00Mer
Republican
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

It's all an Aluminaughty/Jew banker/CIA/repitilian, false flag conspiracy to undermine St Vlad.

Nope U.S./CIA/Illuminati assassination attempt against Russian President Vladimir Putin.

They were trying to start WWIII with Russia/China/Pakistan/North Korea/Syria/& that old Nemesis IRAN!!!

Don't you know anything??

US wants WWIII because its big banks are insolvent: Henderson (external - login to view)
 
petros
#10
You can buy a copy of the script written back in 1997.

Here is a quote from it. "
Quote:

Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.”

“However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine, with its 52 million people and major resources as well as access to the Black Sea, Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state, spanning Europe and Asia.”

ISBN-10: 0465027261

ISBN-13: 978-0465027262

All Hail Tsar Vladimir.
 
B00Mer
Republican
#11
Or could be

ISBN-666

Trade is a more powerful to build economy..

They already have Crimea.. Ukraine ain't gett'in that back. Russia now has their access to the Black Sea.
 
MHz
#12
Is Kiev going to strafe a humanitarian aid convoy? Deny aid to the injured would be something Russia would push at the ICC. Get a base ruling on that and Gaza is 10 x as bad.
 
Praxius
Free Thinker
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

I assume this is why the Ukraine is no longer a 'topic', . . . again.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../mala-a09.html
A Thursday article in the New Straits Times, Malaysia’s flagship English-language newspaper, charged the US- and European-backed Ukrainian regime in Kiev with shooting down Malaysian Airlines flight MH 17 in east Ukraine last month. Given the tightly controlled character of the Malaysian media, it appears that the accusation that Kiev shot down MH17 has the imprimatur of the Malaysian state.
The US and European media have buried this remarkable report, which refutes the wave of allegations planted by the CIA in international media claiming that Russian president Vladimir Putin was responsible for the destruction of MH17, without presenting any evidence to back up this charge.
The New Straits Times article, titled “US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft,” lays out evidence that Ukrainian fighter aircraft attacked the jetliner with first a missile, then with bursts of 30-millimeter machine gun fire from both sides of MH17. The Russian army has already presented detailed radar and satellite data showing a Ukrainian Sukhoi-25 fighter jet tailing MH17 shortly before the jetliner crashed. The...

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Well then.... If all of this is indeed true..... That would mean the Russians are the..... Good Guys??

*GASP!!!!*
 
Colpy
Conservative
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post

Well then.... If all of this is indeed true..... That would mean the Russians are the..... Good Guys??

*GASP!!!!*

Yeah right.



Not bloody likely.

November 1998
Less than four months after Putin takes over at the KGB, opposition Duma Deputy Galina Starovoitova (pictured, right), the most prominent pro-democracy Kremlin critic in the nation, is murdered at her apartment building in St. Petersburg.







April 2003
Sergei Yushenkov, co-chairman of the Liberal Russia political party (pictured, left), is gunned down at the entrance of his Moscow apartment block. Yushenkov had been serving as the vice chair of the group known as the “Kovalev Commission” which was formed to informally investigate charges that Putin’s KGB had planted the Pechatniki and Kashirskoye apartment bombs to whip up support for the Putin’s war in Chechnya after the formal legislative investigation turned out to be impossible. Another member of the Commission, Yuri Shchekochikhin (see below) will perish of poisoning, a third will be severely beaten by thugs, and two other members will lose their seats in the Duma. The Commission’s lawyer, Mikhail Trepashkin (see below) will be jailed after a secret trial on espionage charges. Today, virtually none of the members of the Commission are left whole and it is silent.

July 2003
Yuri Shchekochikhin (pictured, right), a vocal opposition journalist and member of the Russian Duma and the Kovalev Commission, suddenly contracts a mysterious illness. Witnesses reported: “He complained about fatigue, and red blotches began to appear on his skin. His internal organs began collapsing one by one. Then he lost almost all his hair.” One of Shchekochikhin’s last newspaper articles before his death was entitled “Are we Russia or KGB of Soviet Union?” In it, he described such issues as the refusal of the FSB to explain to the Russian Parliament what poison gas was applied during the Moscow theater hostage crisis (external - login to view), and work of secret services from the former Soviet republic of Turkmenistan, which operated with impunity in Moscow against Russian citizens of Turkoman origin. According to Wikipedia: “He also tried to investigate the Three Whales Corruption Scandal (external - login to view) and criminal activities of FSB officers related to money laundering through the Bank of New York (external - login to view) and illegal actions of Yevgeny Adamov (external - login to view), a former Russian Minister of Nuclear Energy. This case was under the personal control of Putin. In June of 2003, Shchekochikhin contacted the FBI and got an American visa to discuss the case with US authorities. However, he never made it to the USA because of his sudden death on July 3rd. The Russian authorities refused to allow an autopsy, but according to Wikipedia his relatives “managed to send a specimen of his skin to London, where a tentative diagnosis was made of poisoning with thallium (external - login to view)” (a poison commonly used by the KGB, at first suspected in the Litvinenko killing).


October 2003
Assaults on the enemies of the Kremlin reach fever pitch as the election cycle begins. Within one week at the end of the month, two major opposition figures are in prison.

June 2004
Nikolai Girenko a prominent human rights defender, Professor of Ethnology and expert on racism and discrimination in the Russian Federation is shot dead in his home in St Petersburg

July 2004
Paul Klebnikov , editor of the Russian edition Forbes magazine, is shot and killed in Moscow. Forbes has reported (external - login to view) that at the time of his death, Paul was believed to have been investigating a complex web of money laundering involving a Chechen reconstruction fund, reaching into the centers of power in the Kremlin and involving elements of organized crime and the FSB (the former KGB).

September 2004
Viktor Yushchenko, anti-Russian candidate for the presidency of the Ukraine, is poisoned by Dioxin. Yushchenko’s chief of staff Oleg Ribachuk suggests that the poison used was a mycotoxin called T-2 (external - login to view), also known as “Yellow Rain,” a Soviet-era substance which was reputedly used in Afghanistan as a chemical weapon. Miraculously, he survives the attack.

The Putin Murders | La Russophobe (external - login to view)

Just a taste.......

The Good Guys do NOT include Putin
 
Praxius
Free Thinker
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Yes Colpy, thanks for deflecting the actual topic by bringing up completely unrelated crap. Keep spinning the Propaganda and avoiding what's really being discussed. If I wanted to play that game, I could easily bring up a whole bunch of speculative crap linking whatever I want to make some unrelated point.

As I said, "IF" the above claims are true, then Russia actually provided evidence regarding what actually happened to MH17 and Russia is actually trying to send aid to people who need it.... those are good things.

Unless you think sending aid to people who need it is a bad thing..... unless you think providing any sort of evidence or facts on what happened to MH17 is a bad thing.

If they are bad things, then you live in a very strange world.
Last edited by Praxius; Aug 14th, 2014 at 01:04 AM..
 
B00Mer
Republican
+1
#16


Putin KICKS A$$!!! 80% approval rating, where is Obama's approval rating 32%??

Hope he rolls into Ukraine and takes it over.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post

Yes Colpy, thanks for deflecting the actual topic by bringing up completely unrelated crap. Keep spinning the Propaganda and avoiding what's really being discussed. If I wanted to play that game, I could easily bring up a whole bunch of speculative crap linking whatever I want to make some unrelated point.

As I said, "IF" the above claims are true, then Russia actually provided evidence regarding what actually happened to MH17 and Russia is actually trying to send aid to people who need it.... those are good things.

Unless you think sending aid to people who need it is a bad thing..... unless you think providing any sort of evidence or facts on what happened to MH17 is a bad thing.

If they are bad things, then you live in a very strange world.

You said, and I quote;

"Well then.... If all of this is indeed true..... That would mean the Russians are the..... Good Guys??"

And I pointed out several reasons why Putin's Russia will NEVER be the good guy.

Even if they aren't responsible for the crash.

Which they are.................
 
petros
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

You said, and I quote;

"Well then.... If all of this is indeed true..... That would mean the Russians are the..... Good Guys??"

And I pointed out several reasons why Putin's Russia will NEVER be the good guy.

Even if they aren't responsible for the crash.

Which they are.................

Read The Grand Chessboard and you'll be able to pound the snot out of the Soviet supporters. Without Ukraine, Russia is powerless.

BTW, it'll explains why and how you're being duped into a raving anti-Muzzie lunatic.

Until you've read it give up commenting on Eurasian politics, Religion or imaginary boogiemen because you'll be contradicting reality.
 
El Barto
#19
80% approval rating , that is like Saddam's 100% election ballots
 
MHz
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post

Well then.... If all of this is indeed true..... That would mean the Russians are the..... Good Guys??

*GASP!!!!*

How else would a deception work? Her is the 'threat Russia' poses. Russia has gone broke and recovered with a few lessons learned. The US hasn't learned the 1st rule of survival. Only have an army when no other option is available. (rather that being the one and only option available for every incident)

Russian aid convoy checked; military vehicles mass near Ukraine | Reuters (external - login to view)

(Reuters) - Dozens of heavy Russian military vehicles massed on Friday near the border with Ukraine, while Ukrainian border guards crossed the frontier to inspect a huge Russian aid convoy.
Kiev has said the humanitarian aid might be used as cover for a Russian military intervention, and has insisted that its forces check the convoy before it moves across the border.
Moscow has denied any ulterior motives, but has allowed Ukrainian border guards to enter Russia and look at the caravan of trucks in an area opposite the frontier town of Izvaryne.
"Ukrainian border guards are there already in large numbers," border guard spokesman Andriy Demchenko said. The Ukrainian military said the inspection began on Friday morning, but it was not clear how long the process might take.
On Thursday, the convoy of some 280 trucks stopped in open fields near the Russian town of Kamensk-Shakhtinsky, about 20 km (12 miles) from the border in front of Izvaryne, which is under the control of pro-Russian separatists.
(in part)

Only to blow them up, if you believe all the reports. lol

Ukraine Says It Destroyed Russian Armored Vehicles Seen Crossing Border - WSJ (external - login to view)

MOSCOW—Ukrainian artillery destroyed a large part of a column of armored vehicles that had been seen entering Ukraine from Russia, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said Friday.
Ukraine, backed by Western capitals, has for weeks accused Russia of sending men and heavy weapons to pro-Russia rebels that hold several towns and cities in Ukraine's east.

Late Thursday, reporters from two British newspapers said they had witnessed a column of around 20 vehicles crossing the border in an area outside the control of Ukrainian authorities.
The reported episode was near where Russian trucks loaded with what Moscow says are relief supplies destined for eastern Ukraine had stopped for the night, adding to fears that the convoy was a prelude to a Russian military intervention. Russia has denied sending men and weapons into eastern Ukraine.
Mr. Poroshenko told U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron (external - login to view) that the armored vehicles had been destroyed in a phone call Friday, the Ukrainian leader's office said.
Anders Fogh Rasmussen, secretary-general of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, described the movement overnight as a Russian "incursion" and a "clear demonstration" that Moscow is supplying rebel groups in eastern Ukraine.



UN Unable to Verify Kiev’s Allegations About Hitting Russian Military Column in Ukraine | Politics | RIA Novosti (external - login to view)


Alleged Russian 'Incursion' Into Ukraine is Pure Fantasy - Defense Ministry | Military & Intelligence | RIA Novosti (external - login to view)


A decent example of how bull**** from the west walks and talks.

Quote: Originally Posted by El BartoView Post

80% approval rating , that is like Saddam's 100% election ballots

That move of putting the supersonic cruise misslies that are capable of taking out a Carrier saw 10% added just like that, the speed and ease of Crimea did the rest. 3rd term the people cheered, 3rd term for Obama would have the people doing what?
Let the people of Iraq see what 10 years later would bring there would have been no Iran/Iraq war.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Read The Grand Chessboard and you'll be able to pound the snot out of the Soviet supporters. Without Ukraine, Russia is powerless.

BTW, it'll explains why and how you're being duped into a raving anti-Muzzie lunatic.

Until you've read it give up commenting on Eurasian politics, Religion or imaginary boogiemen because you'll be contradicting reality.

The early 90s in Ukraine were a feast for Israelis who bought virtually every newly privatized Ukrainian asset, including all the media all the manufacturing and all the banks and most of the productive farm land and they got it all for pennies, 0.2 of the population control every sector of Ukraine. Ukrainians are state slaves and meat to be ground in any counter Russian action, like the nasty bit going on now. The Ukraine is to be repopulated with Gods elect.

The mauling of Gaza is meant to divert attention away from the much bigger Ukrainian Zionist Empire project. Every time the Palestinians get a crushing from Israel something else other than Palestinian resistance is the actual focal point of Israel power. There's no other reason for them to keep Palestinians around at all.
Last edited by darkbeaver; Aug 15th, 2014 at 04:19 PM..
 

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