Marks & Spencer's faces furious backlash from customers over Muslim policy


tay
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Marks & Spencer is facing a boycott from hundreds of customers furious at the store’s decision to allow Muslim staff to refuse to serve customers buying alcohol or pork products.

The policy was revealed after customers trying to buy pork or alcohol from a Muslim shop assistant in central London were told they would have to use another till because of the cashier's religion.


The chain has admitted, however, that it has breached its own internal policy - by forcing its staff to choose between their beliefs and their responsibilties to the supermarket.


A spokesperson for M&S said that it works closely with employees with specific beliefs that restrict what food or drink they can handle, but on this occasion it had to “regret” that it had not followed its own guidelines.


“Where we have an employee whose religious beliefs restrict food or drink they can handle, we work closely with our member of staff to place them in suitable role, such as in our clothing department or bakery in foods.





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M&S faces furious backlash from customers over Muslim policy - Telegraph
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Interestingly, here we have a big furor over whether pharmacy workers can refuse to serve customers who want birth control or abortifacients, which is mostly fundamentalist Christian pharmacy workers. Me, I try to be consistent. If you work in a store, you sell whatever the store sells to whoever is qualified to buy it. But I calculate there'll be plenty of folks who support letting Muslims refuse to sell alcohol or pork, but oppose letting Christians refuse to sell abortifacients.
 
55Mercury
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but of course

hypocrisy is our species' middle name
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by 55MercuryView Post

but of course

hypocrisy is our species' middle name

I thought it was Sapiens?

Of course, our species's first name is Homo. We probably need a name change. How 'bout "Chuck?"
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Interestingly, here we have a big furor over whether pharmacy workers can refuse to serve customers who want birth control or abortifacients, which is mostly fundamentalist Christian pharmacy workers. Me, I try to be consistent. If you work in a store, you sell whatever the store sells to whoever is qualified to buy it. But I calculate there'll be plenty of folks who support letting Muslims refuse to sell alcohol or pork, but oppose letting Christians refuse to sell abortifacients.

Not me, I think it's all daft. If you take a job in an industry that provides a service that causes some kind of conflict with your own value system, whether it's religious based or not, you need to deal with that conflict before you take the job. Employers need to have these policies in place, and they need to be fair policies so as not to effectively discriminate against a segment of society, but they shouldn't be randomly changing or altering these policies particularly when doing so means great inconvenience to either their customer base or to their staff.
 
Blackleaf
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If anyone else refused to serve customers because they disagreed with what they were buying they would be instantly reprimanded.

Not if you're a Muslim, though.

As I've said before: It's one rule if you're a Muslim and another if you're anybody else.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

Marks & Spencer is facing a boycott from hundreds of customers furious at the store’s decision to allow Muslim staff to refuse to serve customers buying alcohol or pork products.

The policy was revealed after customers trying to buy pork or alcohol from a Muslim shop assistant in central London were told they would have to use another till because of the cashier's religion.

Wow....my reaction would be dependent upon the length of the line I'd
been waiting in before I got to the Till. I'd be pissed, but much more polite
if it didn't overly inconvenience me, to be honest.

If the Cashier can't sell all the products that the store sells.....then maybe
they can work away from the Tills and in the vegetable section or something.
 
petros
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How and by who sells me booze isn't an issue. The people bitching should move to a "dry" town, city or county. They'd never bitch about a Muzzie asking another employee to ringin their booze sale ever again.
 
karrie
No Party Affiliation
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I don't think you should take a job if your religion prevents you doing the job.


But life has this neat way of throwing what should happen out the window. For example, there are plenty of places in Alberta that are so chronically short staffed, they'd take staff that could fill half a position.


I suspect this could very well be the issue here. The inconvenience for a couple people of being asked to go to a different till, is secondary to the inconvenience to everyone of being down a teller.




And for some funny reason, a cashier's job isn't enough for most people to be willing to set their religious convictions aside.


So, I guess it kind of oils down to heading into the world with a dash of common sense in mind.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

How and by who sells me booze isn't an issue. The people bitching should move to a "dry" town, city or county. They'd never bitch about a Muzzie asking another employee to ringin their booze sale ever again.

London or Regina aren't "dry" towns for booze or pork products though. The store
selling these items aren't "dry" stores for booze or pork products though. The
Cashier ringing (or not) these items up at the Till would know that the place
they've chosen to work sells these items before accepting the job.

Does the patron in line know that the items for sale and already in his basket are
only available in certain Tills at certain times depending upon who is working and
when? Are there designated Till's like Express (10 items or less) or are patrons
having to get into multiple lines without knowing this before they get to the front
of a line to be refused service?
 
petros
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Self check out. No employee needed.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Self check out. No employee needed.

Catch 22. I hate even the concept of the self check out.
 
#juan
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Marks and Spencer did it to themselves. Their Jewish employees are allowed to refuse to ring up or handle sales of pork products. Stupid religion should be kept of business altogether. Refusing to serve a customer should result in immediate dismissal.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

Catch 22. I hate even the concept of the self check out.

I tried that once. They called it "shoplifting" and got all pissy about it.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

Catch 22. I hate even the concept of the self check out.

I use them. They are faster and friendlier.
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

Marks & Spencer is facing a boycott from hundreds of customers furious at the store’s decision to allow Muslim staff to refuse to serve customers buying alcohol or pork products.

The policy was revealed after customers trying to buy pork or alcohol from a Muslim shop assistant in central London were told they would have to use another till because of the cashier's religion.


The chain has admitted, however, that it has breached its own internal policy - by forcing its staff to choose between their beliefs and their responsibilties to the supermarket.


A spokesperson for M&S said that it works closely with employees with specific beliefs that restrict what food or drink they can handle, but on this occasion it had to “regret” that it had not followed its own guidelines.


“Where we have an employee whose religious beliefs restrict food or drink they can handle, we work closely with our member of staff to place them in suitable role, such as in our clothing department or bakery in foods.





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M&S faces furious backlash from customers over Muslim policy - Telegraph

Now I'm reading that M&S is saying it was not a policy and that customers were not directed to another till, but that the individual would call for another staff member.

Quote:

Thousands of customers threatened to boycott M&S, Britain’s biggest clothing retailer that also sells food, after a till worker in a London store asked a customer to wait as she would not handle champagne and called for another staff member.


Following a storm of protests on social media, M&S apologized for the “confusion”, saying it was not M&S’s policy to allow checkout staff to refuse to serve customers buying items like alcohol and pork which are forbidden in Islam.


A spokeswoman said the company’s policy for many years had been to try to accommodate staff of all religions by finding them roles where conflicts would not arise.


“On this occasion this person’s preferences were not taken into account and she ended up on the tills, which was a mistake,” the spokeswoman said. “We would like to apologize for any resulting confusion and reassure our customers that this was an isolated incident.”

M&S apologizes after Muslim worker refused to sell alcohol


So which version of the story is correct?
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

Marks and Spencer did it to themselves. Their Jewish employees are allowed to refuse to ring up or handle sales of pork products. Stupid religion should be kept of business altogether. Refusing to serve a customer should result in immediate dismissal.

Of course nobody makes a stink about Jews.
 
damngrumpy
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The problem with self checkout is the same as pump your own gas you come in
to buy something and indirectly you are now working for the company.
I too believe you sell products in a store and if you don't serve the customer you
get fired. We originally had freedom of religion now we have the freedom to
impose our beliefs on others. You don't do your job and that is to ring up the
customers purchases you should be fired on the spot regardless of what
religion you are. I say enough already. It is becoming apparent multiculturalism
does not work.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

The problem with self checkout is the same as pump your own gas you come in
to buy something and indirectly you are now working for the company.
I too believe you sell products in a store and if you don't serve the customer you
get fired. We originally had freedom of religion now we have the freedom to
impose our beliefs on others. You don't do your job and that is to ring up the
customers purchases you should be fired on the spot regardless of what
religion you are. I say enough already. It is becoming apparent multiculturalism
does not work.

You're right. Let's go back to discrimination against non-Christians.
 
damngrumpy
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Did I say that? No I said if they being of any religion does not serve the public
in a job that serves the public they should lose their job that would include the
Christians, and any other group. Its about legal products people want to buy
not about what you the clerk does or does not want to sell.
It has nothing to do with Christians or non Christians it has to do with religion
period. All religions should be subject to the laws of the State as all other
citizens are no exceptions.
 
Sal
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no pork or alcohol in this line up please... I wouldn't mind that, but don't make me wait for ten minutes and then tell me you won't ring up my purchase,
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

Did I say that? No I said if they being of any religion does not serve the public
in a job that serves the public they should lose their job that would include the
Christians, and any other group. Its about legal products people want to buy
not about what you the clerk does or does not want to sell.
It has nothing to do with Christians or non Christians it has to do with religion
period. All religions should be subject to the laws of the State as all other
citizens are no exceptions.

You said "it is becoming apparent that multiculturalism doesn't work." One interpretation could be that it's a call for a return to the pre-multiculturalism state. That's my preferred solution.
 
damngrumpy
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I think you are right in the aspect of multiculturalism from a religious standpoint.
That is insofar as having costoms beleifs and traditions. I see them as a great
thing on celebration days and what people do on their sabath in their own church
is their business as long as its legal. When it comes to everyday society that is
different we live in a secular society and its open for the most part. When the
Muslims and the Jews don't want to ring pork chops through the till they are out
of bounds with the mainstream of society. When Christians don't want to ring
birth control pills through the till they are out of the mainstream. All should be
under one labour law that says if a product is legal in the society and they refuse
to sell it.they should be subject to company discipline.
I think what has happened in our society is that everyone has taken the spirit of
multiculturalism to places it was never intended to go. It was an experiment in
having us live together in harmony. The opposite is true. Take the whole Christmas
issue. The self appointed PC crowd is to blame here not the minorities in society.
I have friends who are Muslim and Sikh S who think Christmas is great they wish us
Merry Christmas. The problem is each group is now competing to have their view
be the only view and that goes from Englishmen to Arabs and it is not working.
The trouble is we opened Pandora's Box.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

I think you are right in the aspect of multiculturalism from a religious standpoint.
That is insofar as having costoms beleifs and traditions. I see them as a great
thing on celebration days and what people do on their sabath in their own church
is their business as long as its legal. When it comes to everyday society that is
different we live in a secular society and its open for the most part. When the
Muslims and the Jews don't want to ring pork chops through the till they are out
of bounds with the mainstream of society. When Christians don't want to ring
birth control pills through the till they are out of the mainstream. All should be
under one labour law that says if a product is legal in the society and they refuse
to sell it.they should be subject to company discipline.
I think what has happened in our society is that everyone has taken the spirit of
multiculturalism to places it was never intended to go. It was an experiment in
having us live together in harmony. The opposite is true. Take the whole Christmas
issue. The self appointed PC crowd is to blame here not the minorities in society.
I have friends who are Muslim and Sikh S who think Christmas is great they wish us
Merry Christmas. The problem is each group is now competing to have their view
be the only view and that goes from Englishmen to Arabs and it is not working.
The trouble is we opened Pandora's Box.

Wrong. You just proved it yourself with your statement about your Muslim and Sikh friends. The large majority of each group is perfectly content to do their thing and let others do theirs, politely and cordially. You're reacting to anecdotes from the extreme ends of the bell curve and the bellyaching of the perpetually malcontent 3% of any group. Just because outraged screamers are loud doesn't mean there's a lot of them.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

You said "it is becoming apparent that multiculturalism doesn't work." One interpretation could be that it's a call for a return to the pre-multiculturalism state. That's my preferred solution.

You don't have the problems with multi-culti that Canada does so you wouldn't understand.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

You don't have the problems with multi-culti that Canada does so you wouldn't understand.

Just like you don't understand any problem you don't personally experience?
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Just like you don't understand any problem you don't personally experience?

Multi-culti is different in Canada than the US. You have a melting pot society where everyone is American first and foremost. In Canada we had this hyphenated crap forced on us by Turdo where instead of being a Canadian of say German decent you are called a German-Canadian. This has been taken to such ridiculous extremes that someone that wears a turban is exempt from wearing a hard hat at work while the rest of us would be fired for that.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Multi-culti is different in Canada than the US. You have a melting pot society where everyone is American first and foremost. In Canada we had this hyphenated crap forced on us by Turdo where instead of being a Canadian of say German decent you are called a German-Canadian. This has been taken to such ridiculous extremes that someone that wears a turban is exempt from wearing a hard hat at work while the rest of us would be fired for that.

I'm actually aware of that, which is weird, me being all non-Canadian and unable to understand and all.
 
Dixie Cup
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Of course nobody makes a stink about Jews.

R U Kidding? It seems like everyone makes a stink about Jews? Where have you been?

JMO
 
karrie
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Multi-culti is different in Canada than the US. You have a melting pot society where everyone is American first and foremost. In Canada we had this hyphenated crap forced on us by Turdo where instead of being a Canadian of say German decent you are called a German-Canadian. This has been taken to such ridiculous extremes that someone that wears a turban is exempt from wearing a hard hat at work while the rest of us would be fired for that.



You mean like African-American, Irish-American, etc? While we preach two different systems, the end result really doesn't look any different in Canada and the US from what I see.
 
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