Baird’s east Jerusalem coffee date causes diplomatic flap

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Baird’s east Jerusalem coffee date causes diplomatic flap

When Foreign Minister John Baird crossed the Green Line this week to meet with Israeli Justice Minister Tzipi Livni in the mostly Arab sector of east Jerusalem, he broke with 46 years of Canadian government and Western policy. But was it by accident or design?

To hear the minister tell it, he was just having a cup of coffee.

Speaking in London where he is attending a meeting of G8 foreign ministers, Mr. Baird told reporters the purpose of his visit to Israel and the Palestinian territories had been to encourage the two parties to re-engage in the peace process.

“We’re strongly supportive of both,” he said, “and where I had coffee with Tzipi Livni is, I think, irrelevant to that and it doesn’t signal a change in Canadian foreign policy.”

But international reaction was something else.

“Either he’s ignorant of east Jerusalem being occupied territory, which is unforgivable in a foreign minister,” said Hanan Ashrawi, spokeswoman for the Palestine Liberation Organization that rules the West Bank, “or it’s a deliberate attempt to change the international consensus.”

In either case, Ms. Ashrawi said, it sets “a very dangerous precedent.”

Rick Roth, a spokesman for Mr. Baird, insisted that the meeting in east Jerusalem “doesn’t change our long-standing position that all final-status issues [such as Jerusalem] must be negotiated between the two parties.”

The spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu agrees. “The final-status issues must be negotiated between the parties,” said Mark Regev, and the tête-à-tête meeting in east Jerusalem “doesn’t change that.”

The controversial coffee meeting was conducted in such a low-key manner that the Israeli Prime Minister’s Office was unaware of it taking place until reading about it in an Israeli newspaper Thursday morning.

Whether Mr. Baird simply stumbled or charged into the “china shop,” his meeting in east Jerusalem has definitely shaken Canada’s carefully constructed policy.

“Since 1967, when Israel occupied the eastern parts of the city, it’s been our policy that Canadian officials not meet with Israeli officials in east Jerusalem,” said Michael Bell, a former Canadian ambassador to Israel and the Palestinian territories, as well as to Egypt and Jordan.

“Our policy was part of a Western consensus,” he said. “The idea behind it was that such meetings would amount to de facto recognition of Israel’s claim to sovereignty over the area.”

Indeed, under the Status of Jerusalem section of the statement of policy on the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade’s website, it is clearly stated that “Canada does not recognize Israel’s unilateral annexation of East Jerusalem.”

“Like it or not, it [the Baird meeting] is a change in policy,” said Mr. Bell, who wrote the book on Canada’s approach to Jerusalem. It was Mr. Bell, now retired, who accompanied former opposition leader Robert Stanfield on a fact-finding mission to the Middle East in 1979-80. The official venture was launched after the newly elected prime minister Joe Clark had caused a storm of controversy by vowing to move the Canadian embassy in Israel to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv.

“We discovered then that the status of Jerusalem is an extremely sensitive matter,” Mr. Bell said. “Our experience showed us the importance of an international consensus, and that consensus has been not to do anything that might be interpreted as prejudging the status of Jerusalem.”

As a result of the Stanfield mission, Mr. Clark shelved the plan to move the embassy.

Nabil Shaath, a former foreign minister for the Palestinian Authority with a history of good relations with Canada, said even a seemingly small thing such as the Livni meeting in east Jerusalem can do damage.

“It is a slap in the face to the Palestinian people,” he said, and it “undermines efforts by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry to restart negotiations.”

Mr. Kerry has been shuttling between the parties over the past few weeks, reportedly intent on resurrecting the Arab Peace Initiative of 2002. That plan called for all Arab states to recognize Israel’s existence and end the Arab-Israeli conflict, provided Israel returns to its pre-1967 borders, including the borders in Jerusalem.

The Israeli Prime Minister’s spokesman, Mr. Regev, played down the suggestion that the Baird meeting could put the initiative in jeopardy.

“Israel appreciates Canada’s moral stand on a range of issues,” he said. “And we appreciate Canada’s friendship.”

“My Prime Minister has praised Prime Minister [Stephen] Harper and Foreign Minister [John] Baird on numerous occasions.”

Baird's east Jerusalem coffee date causes diplomatic flap - The Globe and Mail
 

darkbeaver

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Is the minister somehow indebted? What is the nature of the obligation? Are the ministers allies and confederates also friends of the Canadian government? Are the citizens of Canada expected to sanction genocide without protest or debate following the Harper governments lead?
 

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This is pretty much why we are a joke on the international stage.
What's your evidence for this statement? When I'm overseas or south of the border everyone I meet wishes they were Canadian, too. You are a self-loathing fool if you think foreigners don't like Canada.

Baird knew exactly what he was doing, good on him.
 

darkbeaver

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“Israel appreciates Canada’s moral stand on a range of issues,” he said. “And we appreciate Canada’s friendship.”

“My Prime Minister has praised Prime Minister [Stephen] Harper and Foreign Minister [John] Baird on numerous occasions.”

When murdering criminals appreciate your friendship and Satans first mate praises your efforts on "numerous occasions" it's time for an adult intervention.
 

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Why the fvck did Canada send the House's roid rager?

Of all the people to park in front of a camera and make crazy statements, they gotta use a roid rager?
 

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It's hard to go to the Middle East and not end up in the middle of a diplomatic flap. They tend to be just a tad oversensitive there. If the Palestinains and Israelis spent half as much time actually trying to work out their issues as they did on their PR campaigns trying to paint themselves as victims, they'd have had this thing licked long ago.
 

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This is pretty much why we are a joke on the international stage.
Tell me about it. You guys that keep getting your panties in a twist over tempests in tea pots sure are embarrassing the rest of us on the international stage.

Please stop.
 

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Quite frankly, it's all to do about nothing considering who was "offended" - the Palestinians! Good for him if he's set a prescedence - enough of the PC crap!


JMHO
 

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You're being politically correct though in making your unpoint. Real Canadians were and are offended by the ministers blatant and course offense of the Palestinian people while he was presumably engaged in diplomacy in Canadas best interest. Canadians are increasingly offended by the minister's of this government and there unsavory friends.
 
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You're being politically correct though in making your unpoint. Real Canadians were and are offended by the ministers blatant and course offense of the Palestinian people while he was presumably engaged in diplomacy in Canadas best interest. Canadians are increasingly offended by the minister's of this government and there unsavory friends.
Speaking for yourself only Of course....
 

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Palestinians summon Canada's envoy over Baird visit

Canadian Foreign Minister John Baird's visit with Israel's justice minister in a controversial area in the Middle East is drawing criticism, with the Palestinian Authority summoning Canada's envoy to protest the meeting last week in East Jerusalem.

The Palestinian Authority on Sunday summoned Canada’s envoy, Katherine Verrier-Frechette, to a meeting to convey “strong dissatisfaction” over Baird’s visit with Tzipi Livni in a territory that the Palestinians and the United Nations consider occupied land, CBC Middle East correspondent, Derek Stoffel reports.

"As occupied territory under international law … most diplomats shy away from meeting Israeli officials there," Stoffel said. "So when Baird decided to cross the Green Line, it left Palestinians livid."

Israel does not recognize that East Jerusalem and the West Bank are occupied, however.

The Green Line, formally known as the 1949 armistice line, drawn when the 1948 Israeli-Arab war ended, is the boundary between Israel and the West Bank. It's technically a line and not a border, because it's based on a ceasefire rather than a peace agreement.

In a statement, the Palestinian Foreign Ministry summoned Verrier-Frechette “to express its strong dissatisfaction over the meeting."

"This is … not just a dangerous precedent, but it's a deliberate and wilful violation of international law, and it's direct blow to any attempts at peacemaking," said Hanan Ashrawi, a senior member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization.

Palestinians summon Canada's envoy over Baird visit - World - CBC News
 

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Oh, they're really mad this time. This will set the Israelite-Philistine peace process back decades. If there actually were a peace process, I mean. :lol: