#1Mar 5th, 2013
Hugo Chavez has died.
Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
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#6Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013
I suppose this thread could be a memorial thread where people can pay their respects and acknowledge all the good things Hugo Chavez did for Venezuelans specifically as well as Latin America and the world indirectly.
Under Hugo Chavez's leadership, his government rewrote Venezuela's constitution to increase protections for indigenous peoples and women, and establish the rights of the public to education, housing, healthcare, and food. The new constitution called for dramatic democratic reforms such as ability to recall politicians from office by popular referendum, increased requirements for government transparency, and numerous other requirements to increase localized, participatory democracy, in favor of centralized administration. It gave citizens the right to timely and impartial information, community access to media, and a right to participate in acts of civil disobedience.
Chavez's land reforms turned unused land into farmland for the poor and middle class.
He made oil companies pay fair royalties to the government, which raised capital for all his socialist activities, like building and modernizing schools, universities and hospitals.
Under Hugo Chavez's leadership, his government rewrote Venezuela's constitution to increase protections for indigenous peoples and women, and establish the rights of the public to education, housing, healthcare, and food. The new constitution called for dramatic democratic reforms such as ability to recall politicians from office by popular referendum, increased requirements for government transparency, and numerous other requirements to increase localized, participatory democracy, in favor of centralized administration. It gave citizens the right to timely and impartial information, community access to media, and a right to participate in acts of civil disobedience.
Chavez's land reforms turned unused land into farmland for the poor and middle class.
He made oil companies pay fair royalties to the government, which raised capital for all his socialist activities, like building and modernizing schools, universities and hospitals.
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#7Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
No chance Bucky - This ain't no memorial thread.I suppose this thread could be a memorial thread where people can pay their respects and acknowledge all the good things Hugo Chavez did for Venezuelans specifically as well as Latin America and the world indirectly.
Under Hugo Chavez's leadership, his government rewrote Venezuela's constitution to increase protections for indigenous peoples and women, and establish the rights of the public to education, housing, healthcare, and food. The new constitution called for dramatic democratic reforms such as ability to recall politicians from office by popular referendum, increased requirements for government transparency, and numerous other requirements to increase localized, participatory democracy, in favor of centralized administration. It gave citizens the right to timely and impartial information, community access to media, and a right to participate in acts of civil disobedience.
Chavez's land reforms turned unused land into farmland for the poor and middle class.
He made oil companies pay fair royalties to the government, which raised capital for all his socialist activities, like building and modernizing schools, universities and hospitals.
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#8Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by Goober
I agree with EAO, let him and any others have this thread for a memorial.No chance Bucky - This ain't no memorial thread.
If you want to attack any of their posts, just quote them in the other thread.
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Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013
Why not? Do we really need a third thread about Hugo Chavez?
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#10Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
OK - That is reasonable.I agree with EAO, let him and any others have this thread for a memorial.
If you want to attack any of their posts, just quote them in the other thread.
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#11Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013
Colpy should have something to say about what he meant this thread for. Non?
Anyone wants a memorial..............Start one
Anyone wants a memorial..............Start one
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Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013
Amnesty International criticizes ever country and Venezuela's (Human Rights record) under Chavez is no exception.
AI 2012 Annual Report:
Summary
Human rights defenders were threatened and politically motivated charges continued to be used against government critics. Accountability mechanisms to ensure justice or to act as an effective deterrent against police abuses remained weak. There were serious episodes of violence in the grossly overcrowded prison system leading to a number of deaths.
AI 2012 Annual Report:
Summary
Human rights defenders were threatened and politically motivated charges continued to be used against government critics. Accountability mechanisms to ensure justice or to act as an effective deterrent against police abuses remained weak. There were serious episodes of violence in the grossly overcrowded prison system leading to a number of deaths.
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Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
EAO- Oooopps- Memorial thread - no peeing on the mans memory now.Amnesty International criticizes ever country and Venezuela's under Chavez is no exception.
AI 2012 Annual Report:
Summary
Human rights defenders were threatened and politically motivated charges continued to be used against government critics. Accountability mechanisms to ensure justice or to act as an effective deterrent against police abuses remained weak. There were serious episodes of violence in the grossly overcrowded prison system leading to a number of deaths.
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#15Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013
AI's report doesn't blame Chavez for anything. they just identify the Venezuela's problems. Mostly the same ones identified by Hugo Chavez.
Overall, the report indicates that Venezuela had room for improvement, but Chavez was moving Venezuela in the right direction, enshrining protections of human rights, freedom and justice into their constitution. Given more time, Chavez would have continued to improve the lives of Venezuelans.
Overall, the report indicates that Venezuela had room for improvement, but Chavez was moving Venezuela in the right direction, enshrining protections of human rights, freedom and justice into their constitution. Given more time, Chavez would have continued to improve the lives of Venezuelans.
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#16Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
Oh brother... give us a break.AI's report doesn't blame Chavez for anything. they just identify the Venezuela's problems. Mostly the same ones identified by Hugo Chavez.
Overall, the report indicates that Venezuela had room for improvement, but Chavez was moving Venezuela in the right direction, enshrining protections of human rights, freedom and justice into their constitution. Given more time, Chavez would have continued to improve the lives of Venezuelans.
It is a scathing report on the Chavez Regime.
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#17Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
Now this is Colpys and EAO`s memorial thread to Hugo. We should all play nice. OK......Oh brother... give us a break.
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#18Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013
How has Venezuela changed under Chavez:
Hugo Chavez was first elected president of Venezuela in 1998. He came to power vowing to use the country’s oil wealth to improve the lives of its poorest citizens. By some accounts, he is delivering. Living standards are improving in Venezuela.
But the president’s critics say Chavez is falling short of his own rhetoric. Given the country’s vast oil wealth, they claim Venezuela ought to be in much better shape.
One focus of the Chavez government is education. To improve computer literacy, the government is giving away nearly 2 million laptops to primary school students.
A school girl with a new government-issued computer. (Photo: John Otis)
“We are preparing kids for the challenges of new technologies,” said Venezuela’s Education Minister Maryann Hanson. Free computers are part of a broader government campaign to make education more accessible. And it’s working. Enrollment at primary schools has jumped 50 percent over the past decade. University attendance has tripled.
In fact, government statistics on health, education and economic development point to a substantial, if not great, leap forward. All this comes after Venezuela registered one of the world’s worst economic declines between 1970 and 1998, the year Chavez was elected.
Under Chavez, unemployment and poverty have been cut by half. Infant mortality is falling. New clinics and hospitals are going up.
Has Hugo Chavez Really Helped the Poor in Venezuela | PRI's The World
Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights
Hugo Chavez was first elected president of Venezuela in 1998. He came to power vowing to use the country’s oil wealth to improve the lives of its poorest citizens. By some accounts, he is delivering. Living standards are improving in Venezuela.
But the president’s critics say Chavez is falling short of his own rhetoric. Given the country’s vast oil wealth, they claim Venezuela ought to be in much better shape.
One focus of the Chavez government is education. To improve computer literacy, the government is giving away nearly 2 million laptops to primary school students.
A school girl with a new government-issued computer. (Photo: John Otis)
“We are preparing kids for the challenges of new technologies,” said Venezuela’s Education Minister Maryann Hanson. Free computers are part of a broader government campaign to make education more accessible. And it’s working. Enrollment at primary schools has jumped 50 percent over the past decade. University attendance has tripled.
In fact, government statistics on health, education and economic development point to a substantial, if not great, leap forward. All this comes after Venezuela registered one of the world’s worst economic declines between 1970 and 1998, the year Chavez was elected.
Under Chavez, unemployment and poverty have been cut by half. Infant mortality is falling. New clinics and hospitals are going up.
Has Hugo Chavez Really Helped the Poor in Venezuela | PRI's The World
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
If you want to read scathing, check AI's report regarding the US:Oh brother... give us a break.
It is a scathing report on the Chavez Regime.
Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights
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#19Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
Memorial thread by Colpy and yourself- No peeing on others as well. How has Venezuela changed under Chavez:
Hugo Chavez was first elected president of Venezuela in 1998. He came to power vowing to use the country’s oil wealth to improve the lives of its poorest citizens. By some accounts, he is delivering. Living standards are improving in Venezuela.
But the president’s critics say Chavez is falling short of his own rhetoric. Given the country’s vast oil wealth, they claim Venezuela ought to be in much better shape.
One focus of the Chavez government is education. To improve computer literacy, the government is giving away nearly 2 million laptops to primary school students.
A school girl with a new government-issued computer. (Photo: John Otis)
“We are preparing kids for the challenges of new technologies,” said Venezuela’s Education Minister Maryann Hanson. Free computers are part of a broader government campaign to make education more accessible. And it’s working. Enrollment at primary schools has jumped 50 percent over the past decade. University attendance has tripled.
In fact, government statistics on health, education and economic development point to a substantial, if not great, leap forward. All this comes after Venezuela registered one of the world’s worst economic declines between 1970 and 1998, the year Chavez was elected.
Under Chavez, unemployment and poverty have been cut by half. Infant mortality is falling. New clinics and hospitals are going up.
Has Hugo Chavez Really Helped the Poor in Venezuela | PRI's The World
If you want to read scathing, check AI's report regarding the US:
Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights
Ya know you and Colpy make a great couple when you come together on something like this. Does Colpy know yet or are you saving that for a surprise.
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#20Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
Your attacks when you are confronted with the proof that you lie, are nothing but idiotic and childish.If you want to read scathing, check AI's report regarding the US:
Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights
If you want this to be a memorial thread, treat it as such.
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#21Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013
Chavez was involved in a democratic revolution. as such yes there are bound to
be some human rights violations as we would know them I don't disagree with
that. Put in context he had little choice, in such a change. The fact is he was an
elected President more than once therefore try as one might he could not be labelled
a dictator. Hugo was pushing the country left and had a coalition with others in the
region that is also true.
His revolution was a lot better than a one filled with bloodshed in the streets.
After Hugo what happens? If the poor come out to vote the revolution will continue
and there will be constant friction. I am more concerned with a division that is not
so civil and there is nothing civil about a civil war which is possible.
I both liked and disliked some of his actions. Clamping down on military people who
were opposed to him is fair game, the country has a long history of right and left
intrigue and he was not going to stand for it. Some cry foul and they are likely right.
It is also known that there was a long spell of real right wing nasty people who ran the
place for a while and it was time for a change.
It all comes down to the idea that we are better off without this kind of government no
matter on who's side of the fence we're on.
Over all he did more good than harm in my opinion. Those who claim he was a Saint
can't agree there.
be some human rights violations as we would know them I don't disagree with
that. Put in context he had little choice, in such a change. The fact is he was an
elected President more than once therefore try as one might he could not be labelled
a dictator. Hugo was pushing the country left and had a coalition with others in the
region that is also true.
His revolution was a lot better than a one filled with bloodshed in the streets.
After Hugo what happens? If the poor come out to vote the revolution will continue
and there will be constant friction. I am more concerned with a division that is not
so civil and there is nothing civil about a civil war which is possible.
I both liked and disliked some of his actions. Clamping down on military people who
were opposed to him is fair game, the country has a long history of right and left
intrigue and he was not going to stand for it. Some cry foul and they are likely right.
It is also known that there was a long spell of real right wing nasty people who ran the
place for a while and it was time for a change.
It all comes down to the idea that we are better off without this kind of government no
matter on who's side of the fence we're on.
Over all he did more good than harm in my opinion. Those who claim he was a Saint
can't agree there.
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#22Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013
Hugo Chavez won Venezuela's 1998 Presidential election with a solid 56.2% of the vote. He was re-elected in 2000 after reforming Venezuela's constitution with a 59.76% majority, indicating growing popularity.
In 2002, wealthy Venezuelans attempted to overthrow Chavez with the support of the US based NED [the National Endowment for Democracy], Department of Defense (DOD), and other U.S. assistance programs. Americans provided training, institution building, and other support to individuals and organizations which were understood to be actively involved in the unsuccessful attempt to overthrow the Chávez government and replace it a pro-US dictatorship. Chavez stepped down in order to avoid further bloodshed and was quickly brought back to power within a few hours by mass demonstrations in support of the Chavez government.
In 2006, Chavez was re-elected with 63% of the vote.
Even though Chavez was re-elected to a fourth term in 2012, he was too sick to attend his own inauguration.
Chavez political philosophy emphasized the importance of education, the creation of civilian-military unity, Latin American integration, social justice, and national sovereignty. In many ways this is not a particularly different set of principles and ideas to those of any other Enlightenment or national liberation thinkers.
In 2002, wealthy Venezuelans attempted to overthrow Chavez with the support of the US based NED [the National Endowment for Democracy], Department of Defense (DOD), and other U.S. assistance programs. Americans provided training, institution building, and other support to individuals and organizations which were understood to be actively involved in the unsuccessful attempt to overthrow the Chávez government and replace it a pro-US dictatorship. Chavez stepped down in order to avoid further bloodshed and was quickly brought back to power within a few hours by mass demonstrations in support of the Chavez government.
In 2006, Chavez was re-elected with 63% of the vote.
Even though Chavez was re-elected to a fourth term in 2012, he was too sick to attend his own inauguration.
Chavez political philosophy emphasized the importance of education, the creation of civilian-military unity, Latin American integration, social justice, and national sovereignty. In many ways this is not a particularly different set of principles and ideas to those of any other Enlightenment or national liberation thinkers.
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#23 Top Rated PostRe: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013
Ah, but he pissed off the Yanks, so he must have been a bad guy. The media at home vilified him, character assassinated him just as sure as cancer killed him.
Just an observation: most of those who hated him on here are ex military. I wonder what the correlation is.
Just an observation: most of those who hated him on here are ex military. I wonder what the correlation is.
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#24Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
I suppose this thread could be a memorial thread where people can pay their respects and acknowledge all the good things Hugo Chavez did for Venezuelans specifically as well as Latin America and the world indirectly.
Under Hugo Chavez's leadership, his government rewrote Venezuela's constitution to increase protections for indigenous peoples and women, and establish the rights of the public to education, housing, healthcare, and food. The new constitution called for dramatic democratic reforms such as ability to recall politicians from office by popular referendum, increased requirements for government transparency, and numerous other requirements to increase localized, participatory democracy, in favor of centralized administration. It gave citizens the right to timely and impartial information, community access to media, and a right to participate in acts of civil disobedience.
Chavez's land reforms turned unused land into farmland for the poor and middle class.
He made oil companies pay fair royalties to the government, which raised capital for all his socialist activities, like building and modernizing schools, universities and hospitals.
Venezuela definitely progressed thanks to his leadership. That is why he got so much support from the lower economic classes in that country. The rich may not have been happy with him at the helm but in a democracy the majority rule.
RIP
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
Ah, but he pissed off the Yanks, so he must have been a bad guy. The media at home vilified him, character assassinated him just as sure as cancer killed him.
Just an observation: most of those who hated him on here are ex military. I wonder what the correlation is.
Venezuela's media vilified and character assassinated him, are you saying?
Or are you referring to the right wing American media?
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#25Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by gopher
The right wing media will vilify anybody who puts the interests of his/her people before corporate interests. Hugo was vilified by the US and Canadian media, which really tells me he wasn't anywhere near as bad as they made him out to be.Venezuela's media vilified and character assassinated him, are you saying?
Or are you referring to the right wing American media?
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#26Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
The right wing media will vilify anybody who puts the interests of his/her people before corporate interests. Hugo was vilified by the US and Canadian media, which really tells me he wasn't anywhere near as bad as they made him out to be.
Ah, OK. Now I read ya.
Throughout the world he was considered a great leader for his progressive reforms which included sharing oil profits with Native Americans in Venezuela and giving free oil resources to the poor in the USA. That was excellent on his part.
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#27Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy
Chavez won popular elections. He did not come to power by a coups... although he attempted it. While Chavez was no saint, he was also not the evil man as portrayed by our MSM. Chavez was a revolutionary similar to Canadian revolutionary Tommy Douglas. Cliffy and Gopher's observations are accurate regarding Chavez's image assassination. I suggest you forget everything you've read in Canadian/US newspapers or saw on Canadian/US TV.Chavez was involved in a democratic revolution. as such yes there are bound to
be some human rights violations as we would know them I don't disagree with
that. Put in context he had little choice, in such a change. The fact is he was an
elected President more than once therefore try as one might he could not be labelled
a dictator. Hugo was pushing the country left and had a coalition with others in the
region that is also true.
His revolution was a lot better than a one filled with bloodshed in the streets.
After Hugo what happens? If the poor come out to vote the revolution will continue
and there will be constant friction. I am more concerned with a division that is not
so civil and there is nothing civil about a civil war which is possible.
I both liked and disliked some of his actions. Clamping down on military people who
were opposed to him is fair game, the country has a long history of right and left
intrigue and he was not going to stand for it. Some cry foul and they are likely right.
It is also known that there was a long spell of real right wing nasty people who ran the
place for a while and it was time for a change.
It all comes down to the idea that we are better off without this kind of government no
matter on who's side of the fence we're on.
Over all he did more good than harm in my opinion. Those who claim he was a Saint
can't agree there.
The basic facts indicate that Chavez was a colorful personality.... like him or hate him
Hugo Chávez - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BBC News - Obituary: Hugo Chavez
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#28Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013
Oh without a doubt Chavez did far more good than harm but some of his practices
were outside the norm. I suggest he was elected democratically and he was for the
average person. I also believe his revolution will survive it was democratic and it
was supported by the people.
were outside the norm. I suggest he was elected democratically and he was for the
average person. I also believe his revolution will survive it was democratic and it
was supported by the people.
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#29Re: Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.
Mar 5th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
I don't believe a word of your drivel.I suppose this thread could be a memorial thread where people can pay their respects and acknowledge all the good things Hugo Chavez did for Venezuelans specifically as well as Latin America and the world indirectly.
Under Hugo Chavez's leadership, his government rewrote Venezuela's constitution to increase protections for indigenous peoples and women, and establish the rights of the public to education, housing, healthcare, and food. The new constitution called for dramatic democratic reforms such as ability to recall politicians from office by popular referendum, increased requirements for government transparency, and numerous other requirements to increase localized, participatory democracy, in favor of centralized administration. It gave citizens the right to timely and impartial information, community access to media, and a right to participate in acts of civil disobedience.
Chavez's land reforms turned unused land into farmland for the poor and middle class.
He made oil companies pay fair royalties to the government, which raised capital for all his socialist activities, like building and modernizing schools, universities and hospitals.
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