Young Kim Jong Un is defying the Chinese. I wonder how well he understands calculus ...
North Korea defies UN, conducts 3rd nuke test - World - CBC News
North Korea defies UN, conducts 3rd nuke test - World - CBC News
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NK conducts third nuclear test
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Here's a viewers comment on that CBC story:
"So why did they invade Iraq instead of these guys? At least North Korea actually *has* WMDs!""
Logical question.
NK would probably push the red button.
Maybe they have no oil............?? Or anything else worth stealing.
Just like muggers, the US prefers easy targets.
My answer would be "hoooonose?" Except to say we all live in someone's crosshairs.
"So why did they invade Iraq instead of these guys? At least North Korea actually *has* WMDs!""
Logical question.
NK would probably push the red button.
Maybe they have no oil............?? Or anything else worth stealing.
Just like muggers, the US prefers easy targets.
My answer would be "hoooonose?" Except to say we all live in someone's crosshairs.
North Korea is poor and has few resources or friends.
...North Korea, with an annual GDP others estimate of about $17 billion, earns some $1.5 billion a year from missile sales. Other studies said the figure may be in the hundreds of millions of dollars, with prior U.N. sanctions and other restrictions cutting into exports...Since the 1980s North Korea has sold missile systems to Iran, Pakistan, Egypt, Libya, Syria and Yemen...The U.S. government has accused North Korea of trafficking in narcotics, counterfeiting U.S. currency and producing fake cigarettes....
Q+A - How North Korea earns money from arms sales | Reuters
...North Korea, with an annual GDP others estimate of about $17 billion, earns some $1.5 billion a year from missile sales. Other studies said the figure may be in the hundreds of millions of dollars, with prior U.N. sanctions and other restrictions cutting into exports...Since the 1980s North Korea has sold missile systems to Iran, Pakistan, Egypt, Libya, Syria and Yemen...The U.S. government has accused North Korea of trafficking in narcotics, counterfeiting U.S. currency and producing fake cigarettes....
Q+A - How North Korea earns money from arms sales | Reuters
Until recently engaging NK would also mean engaging China. The US would soon run out of cheap toys if this were to happen. Not to mention the parts necessary for the guidance system on their rockets.
Smoke and mirrors!
Russia recently wrote off 90% of NK's debt in an effort to convince them to allow a NG pipeline to SK from Russia through China.
This nuke sh*t is just that. Sh*t. Sh*t pushed on you to keep a hate on for things you don't understand in the grand scheme of energy and politics.
As you may or may not be aware of, Japan recenttly shut down all it's nuke plants and is now desperate for NG and NG turbines for electricty.
Russia wants to be their supplier through NK/SK and supply SK in the process.
People on this side of the planet want to be the ones to supply SK and Japan with that NG.
North Korea is the wildcard in who supplies the gas to SK and Japan.
The nukes thing is a scare tactic used against SK and us to keep the war theme alive and keep SK from being a part of Asia instead of a western outpost.
http://www.academia.edu/1597843/Geopolitical_implications_of_Russia-Korea_Gas_Pipeline
North Korean Leader Kim Backs Natural-Gas Pipeline, Russia Says - Bloomberg
Russia writes off 90 percent of North Korea's debt | Reuters
http://www.2b1stconsulting.com/japan-confirms-interest-in-gazprom-vladivostock-lng-project/
Russia recently wrote off 90% of NK's debt in an effort to convince them to allow a NG pipeline to SK from Russia through China.
This nuke sh*t is just that. Sh*t. Sh*t pushed on you to keep a hate on for things you don't understand in the grand scheme of energy and politics.
As you may or may not be aware of, Japan recenttly shut down all it's nuke plants and is now desperate for NG and NG turbines for electricty.
Russia wants to be their supplier through NK/SK and supply SK in the process.
People on this side of the planet want to be the ones to supply SK and Japan with that NG.
North Korea is the wildcard in who supplies the gas to SK and Japan.
The nukes thing is a scare tactic used against SK and us to keep the war theme alive and keep SK from being a part of Asia instead of a western outpost.
http://www.academia.edu/1597843/Geopolitical_implications_of_Russia-Korea_Gas_Pipeline
North Korean Leader Kim Backs Natural-Gas Pipeline, Russia Says - Bloomberg
Russia writes off 90 percent of North Korea's debt | Reuters
http://www.2b1stconsulting.com/japan-confirms-interest-in-gazprom-vladivostock-lng-project/
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I doubt North Korea would use nukes unless they were attacked. However I believe they would sell nukes to anyone for the right price... and that's a problem.
I don't believe Iran would be dumb enough to attempt to develop and test nukes in Iran. They don't need to. Iran and North Korea cooperate and develop nuclear weapon and missile technology jointly. Very likely Iranians were involved in North Korea's test.
For this reason I believe that Iran is less than 6 months away from making domestic nukes based on North Korean designs, even though they can't refine uranium above 20% (reactor grade). I expect Iran will remain at this threshold indefinitely or until they have a reason to cross it... ie Israel/US attacks Iran. At which point , Iran would build a centrifuge cascade to create weapon grade HEU (about 30 days), manufacture nuke bomb components (another 60 days) and have their first nuke ready for test in about 120 days. Since the North Koreans are working on a design, a replica of a working North Korean nuke wouldn't need to be tested. If they did want to test it, they would probably do the same as the Israeli's did:
Vela Incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't believe Iran would be dumb enough to attempt to develop and test nukes in Iran. They don't need to. Iran and North Korea cooperate and develop nuclear weapon and missile technology jointly. Very likely Iranians were involved in North Korea's test.
For this reason I believe that Iran is less than 6 months away from making domestic nukes based on North Korean designs, even though they can't refine uranium above 20% (reactor grade). I expect Iran will remain at this threshold indefinitely or until they have a reason to cross it... ie Israel/US attacks Iran. At which point , Iran would build a centrifuge cascade to create weapon grade HEU (about 30 days), manufacture nuke bomb components (another 60 days) and have their first nuke ready for test in about 120 days. Since the North Koreans are working on a design, a replica of a working North Korean nuke wouldn't need to be tested. If they did want to test it, they would probably do the same as the Israeli's did:
Vela Incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Whip out a map EAO and tell me which countries are obstacles to NG delivery to China, India, South Korea and Japan.
This is all scare tactics.
Give me an old Howitzer, a lathe, a welder and plain jane U236 and I'll build a nuke in my garage. It's that easy.
This is all scare tactics.
Give me an old Howitzer, a lathe, a welder and plain jane U236 and I'll build a nuke in my garage. It's that easy.
Could always start out with a shot gun nuke instead of a canon for personal use. It would be far cheaper.
Building a uranium based nuclear weapon
1) Mine uranium ore and refine into yellow cake ( U3O8 )
2) Process yellow cake into uranium hexafloride ( UF6 )
3) Separate fissionable Uranium235 isotope (naturally occurring at 0.72%) from the heavier non-fissionable isotopes using gaseous diffusion or a cascade of gas centrifuges (enriching uranium). The higher the level of enrichment, the lower the critical mass. Uranium enriched to less than 20% cannot be used practically to build a nuclear weapon. At 20% its possible to build a nuclear weapon, but it would be the size of a mountain. Above 20% HEU and nuclear weapons become practical. In theory a suitcase sized nuke can be built using 100% HEU.
4) Convert highly enriched UF6 (much better than 20% HEU) to pure uranium for use as nuclear bomb components.
5) Build and test a nuclear weapon design.
Building a plutonium based nuclear weapon:
1) Fuel a special breeder reactor with LEU (3-20% U235 and 80-97% U238 ) fuel rods. During the life of the fuel rod, some U238 will become Plutonium239 (the good stuff) and P240 (a contaminant that interferes with fission). The reactor needs a special design to minimize the amount of P240 and maximize the amount of P239 produced as the two isotopes can't be separated.
2) Manufacture bomb components using weapons grade plutonium ( less than 7% P240)
3) Build and test a nuclear weapon design.
1) Mine uranium ore and refine into yellow cake ( U3O8 )
2) Process yellow cake into uranium hexafloride ( UF6 )
3) Separate fissionable Uranium235 isotope (naturally occurring at 0.72%) from the heavier non-fissionable isotopes using gaseous diffusion or a cascade of gas centrifuges (enriching uranium). The higher the level of enrichment, the lower the critical mass. Uranium enriched to less than 20% cannot be used practically to build a nuclear weapon. At 20% its possible to build a nuclear weapon, but it would be the size of a mountain. Above 20% HEU and nuclear weapons become practical. In theory a suitcase sized nuke can be built using 100% HEU.
4) Convert highly enriched UF6 (much better than 20% HEU) to pure uranium for use as nuclear bomb components.
5) Build and test a nuclear weapon design.
Building a plutonium based nuclear weapon:
1) Fuel a special breeder reactor with LEU (3-20% U235 and 80-97% U238 ) fuel rods. During the life of the fuel rod, some U238 will become Plutonium239 (the good stuff) and P240 (a contaminant that interferes with fission). The reactor needs a special design to minimize the amount of P240 and maximize the amount of P239 produced as the two isotopes can't be separated.
2) Manufacture bomb components using weapons grade plutonium ( less than 7% P240)
3) Build and test a nuclear weapon design.
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Bombing Iran will not stop Iran from being able to build nukes. They have uranium mines, the knowledge, warehouses full of spare parts and many underground sites that cannot be monitored remotely. Unless the US or some other country is willing and capable of invading and occupying Iran, they cannot be stopped. Even then, they'd have to find and assassinate every Iranian nuclear scientists, otherwise the nuclear technology and know how would disperse.
Subverting Iran is the better option. Give the Iranian kids a taste of porn, alcohol, birth control... and they'll revolt against the conservative crusty old bastards who currently run the country and Iran will become pro-West like India...
Scenarios most likely leading to nuclear war.
1) Israel faces an existential threat.
2) Pakistan vs India
3) North Korea is bombed and then invaded.
4) Iran is bombed and then a few months later is invaded.
I can't think of a scenario where Iran or North Korea would initiate a nuclear war.
Subverting Iran is the better option. Give the Iranian kids a taste of porn, alcohol, birth control... and they'll revolt against the conservative crusty old bastards who currently run the country and Iran will become pro-West like India...
Scenarios most likely leading to nuclear war.
1) Israel faces an existential threat.
2) Pakistan vs India
3) North Korea is bombed and then invaded.
4) Iran is bombed and then a few months later is invaded.
I can't think of a scenario where Iran or North Korea would initiate a nuclear war.
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God you're an idiot sometimes. It is sentiments and actions like yours that keep the terrorists (on both sides) in business. :roll:
There's a reason no hair grows on top. It's because it's completely rotten underneath.
No western ground invasion is remotely possible for the west to conduct against either Iran or NK. The western axis of greed is already over extended on every front. The nukes are the NWOs only hope.
Pro west is what's killing the west. As the dollar continues to collapses and the assault vessels and carriers go unfueled we will see the pro west crowd thin out substantially, you can watch it happening right now day by day. All the colonies smell the blood pouring from the stricken dragon already.
Iran is in the way of pipelines they aren't a nuke threat. They would have built one 30-40 years ago with the nuke tech they've had all along.
It's easy to pimp the scared.
Estimated explosive yield was 6-7 kT. About double the previous test and about 1/3 the yield of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.