China completes jet fighter test flights

Beijing's heightened military ambitions send message to Asia and rest of world as new leadership takes reins


China completes jet fighter test flights on its first aircraft carrier | World news | guardian.co.uk

Umm
So China lands a plane on an old beat up, decomissioned, and then refurbished Polish or Ukranian carrier.
How is this relevant to Canada?
Or not.
How about the fact that Canada is still offering foreign aid to India, which, coincidentally, is now constructing its own air craft carrier?

How about we cut foreign aid to third world countries which are ramping up military expenditures and then spend the money on Canadian planes and ships to patrol our local waters?

We had that chance with the Arrow and we threw it out the window, maybe China will give us some usable fighters in exchange for some carrier shells, we should be able to handle that part at least.

The Arrow is so over ...get over it.
As to the Chinese gear... it's all over at Walmart or the Dollar Store.
Anything they sell that is worthwhile is cloned from the western world

Pesonally I think we should cut the f35 contract and squeeze the US for some f22's.
That will not happen so a bunch of Super Hornets would fit right in.
Just to keep the mix dangerous we could take a look at a very small number of f35's, Typhoons, Raphaels or maybe even a few PAK FA or T50's,
A few PAK FA's would really rile up the Americans.
We need gear that works for Canada needs not high priced gear that NATO, the Americans or the Euro's think we should have.
Cruise missiles and armed drones are the wave of the future and are a lot cheaper in the long haul than helping to finance the American
Military/Industrial complex

Big deal. China has no substancial blue water navy and won't for quite sometime.

This first aircraft carrier is more about training, research and development, than an actual military threat.

I suspect China would like to negotiate its borders with its neighbors. Having a big stick puts them in a better negotiating position.

Yes I realize the Arrow is gone and we are probably better off not being a big producer of military hardware. China might be looking for a way to do short take-offs and landings from a solid base or it is an exportable item. They could win a war just through economic measures or cutting off trade.
BTW F-22 have some serious problem also and the craft we will purchase are for NATO rather than being ours for out Military.

Aircraft carriers are weapons of the past. They are only useful against a foe that lacks the means to take them out, such as Iraq or even weaker nations. Against an opponent with airpower of its own they are more of an expensive liabilty than an asset. Wars of the future are going to be fought by drones. China building aircraft carriers is the equivalent of the Japanese building the two largest battleships ever known just before World War II. These two massive ships proved utterly defenseless against the aircraft carrier which proved to be the dominant weapon in the Pacific war. But just as the battleship became obsolete so to has the aircraft carrier reached the end of its usefulness.

This is the future of aircraft carriers:
UXV Combatant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Still put a hook on one and you have a fighter than can be launched from a very short runway , like 1 long city block, and the mobile hardware for doing that short launch would mean where you leave from might not be where you come back to, big airports are first hit targets are they not, like Cold Lake would be one of the very first things hit, damaged asphalt and the planes aren't going anywhere no matter how many spare parts are on hand.
On a long strip the hooked model could launch and retrieve 10 at one time rather than 1 at a time.

Yes, that looks viable. Small target. Relatively cheap to produce, and capable of using pilotless aircraft.

In fact I think that drone carrier I referenced is too big. The future is inexpensive drone micro carriers and submarines.

Some stick their head in the sand and others become alarmists at the drip of a hat.
The problem is we continue to do business with the enemy yes the enemy. They
have no respect for liberty or for western civilization. We move our factories over to
be part of cheap labour while they suck the life out of us. We are propped up in the
west by bankers who wouldn't know what the word loyalty is. Even the marjor and
mid sized companies have no loyalty. You can bet they will be in the front row for
government contracts when the conflicts are handed out to rebuild the west' war
machine. Not only that all those raw materials and the fuel we send will be used
against us just the same as the Japanese did when the war broke out.
It would have been far better to keep China where it was.
We are living in a dream world if we think we will benefit from the trade deals we
are signing

You should go visit China DG... while its still relatively inexpensive. You will be surprised. Most of what our MSM tells us about China is distorted to portray China as badly as possible. China is focused inwards. Most Chinese people know little about outside China. Few know where Canada is. But they can name every province inside China.

The Chinese government wants friendly relations with Canada because we are a source of raw materials and a market for their exports. They don't want any trouble with us. However they don't appreciate us going there and ignorantly and rudely condemning them about their so called human rights problems, especially while we hypocritically don't condemn the human rights abuses of our allies (torture at Gitmo and other Black Ops sites, American and Israeli extrajudicial executions, Israeli ethnic cleansing...)

China has problems. Their criminal justice system isn't that fair and the punishments are on the severe side compared to Canada. But they do make sure everyone has a place to live and food to eat. Poverty is rampant in the country side, but their big cities generate huge amounts of wealth and China has an opulent upper class just like us.

The Chinese government is slowly and cautiously introducing reforms. But they aren't ready for a true democracy yet. China may be officially communist, but at the street level the Chinese are extremely capitalistic. They have regulations and a bureaucracy which attempts to control what people can do. But the reality is far too much is going on for anyone to truly control what happens at the street level. That said, when Obama came to Shanghai, the local communist authorities closed all bars and prohibited sales of alcohol. Anyone caught violating the decree would loose their business license ... if caught.

So China is a weird mix of state control, libertarianism, communism and capitalism... and for the most part it works.

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yes.....it works !

How so?

T-50's eh... You mean the Dutch surplus of German Leopard II's aren't cutting it?

At least the Chinese hardware has the chips that say 'not for export'

Compared to what model, the wild, wild west?

If China uses the same parts for their bird that are in the technology we get from China, the bird will malfunction constantly for it's entire lifespan of 1.4 years.

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No need to compare ,only fools compare.China does it their way and they don't give a sh..t whether you like it or not .They will keep on doing as long as you ,
(the smart ones) will support them by buying their products instead manufacturing
them yourself .

Things are only manufactured to the level of quality requested by the American buyer or America or Canadian company that set up there.

Chinese gov doesn't make the goods US and Canadian companies do in China.

Good for China. Time for the US to get out of the Western Pacific and retreat to Hawaii.

The Chinese government doesn't make the goods -the Chinese workers do up to the requested level of quality by the US or Canadian , Australian ,German ,Italian etc.governments.Don,t like the quality .....don,t blame the Chinese .

-China owns over 50% of any forejgn company ( that includes US and Canadian co's ).