What about Liechtenstein? Why aren't the media covering it?


In Between Man
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Liechtenstein has tremendous support for its monarchy, even rejecting to revoke the monarch's veto power in a September 2012 referendum. Thanks to a very low corporate tax rate all the cool kids want to do business there, resulting in more registered companies than citizens. It has a very high GDP, low external debt, a 100 percent literacy rate, and one of the highest standards of living in Europe. The fact that we see no coverage in the media of the unchanging success of this nation can only lead one to believe that the liberal dominated lamestream media don't want us to know that we can have a successful, capitalist nation, free from the economic ruin that comes with socialism. We need to educate ourselves as to what the Liechtenstein citizens did and learn from them to take back control of our countries and our lives.

"For God and country!" (an old Liechtenstein motto)
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

Liechtenstein has tremendous support for its monarchy, even rejecting to revoke the monarch's veto power in a September 2012 referendum. Thanks to a very low corporate tax rate all the cool kids want to do business there, resulting in more registered companies than citizens. It has a very high GDP, low external debt, a 100 percent literacy rate, and one of the highest standards of living in Europe. The fact that we see no coverage in the media of the unchanging success of this nation can only lead one to believe that the liberal dominated lamestream media don't want us to know that we can have a successful, capitalist nation, free from the economic ruin that comes with socialism. We need to educate ourselves as to what the Liechtenstein citizens did and learn from them to take back control of our countries and our lives.

"For God and country!" (an old Liechtenstein motto)

Bit of an over simplification don't you think? The success of Liechtenstein has little to do with capitalism vs socialism and more to do with how they spend their money. For example, they are one of the few nations of the world without an army. They offload much of their diplomatic efforts onto Switzerland.

Besides, not every place can be a tax haven.
 
PoliticalNick
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They are quite socialist providing free education and healthcare among a host of other services aimed at enhancing the life of the citizens. How do they pay for this? By helping the wealthy hide their money and evade taxation in their own countries.

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The 2008 Liechtenstein tax affair is a series of tax investigations in numerous countries whose governments suspect that some of their citizens may have evaded tax obligations by using banks and trusts in Liechtenstein; the affair broke open with the biggest complex of investigations ever initiated for tax evasion in the Federal Republic of Germany.[32] It was also seen as an attempt to put pressure on Liechtenstein, then one of the remaining uncooperative tax havens—along with Andorra and Monaco—as identified by the Paris-based Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development in 2007.[33] On 27 May 2009 the OECD removed Liechtenstein from the blacklist of uncooperative countries.[34]
In August 2009, the British Government Department, HM Revenue & Customs, agreed with Liechtenstein to start exchanging information. It is believed that up to 5,000 British investors have roughly £3 billion stashed in accounts and trusts in the country.[35]

 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

They are quite socialist providing free education and healthcare among a host of other services aimed at enhancing the life of the citizens.

That's not how I would define socialism. Liechtenstein also has qualities other than its economy that make it awesome in my opinion.

Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Bit of an over simplification don't you think?

Nah...
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

Nah...

Really? Do you honestly believe that every other country can become a tax haven? Do you actually believe that every other country can download their diplomatic operations to their neighbours....really?
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Really? Do you honestly believe that every other country can become a tax haven? Do you actually believe that every other country can download their diplomatic operations to their neighbours....really?

I was just talking about Canada (or America), not "every other country".
 
PoliticalNick
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Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

I was just talking about Canada (or America), not "every other country".

How do you compare a country of 62 sq miles with 35,000 citizens to Canada or the US. Thats like comparing watermelons to raisin seeds.
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

How do you compare a country of 62 sq miles with 35,000 citizens to Canada or the US. Thats like comparing watermelons to raisin seeds.

How can you compare a country of 39,000 sq miles with 320,000 citizens to Canada or the US?

Besides, our population is only 1000 times larger than Liechtenstein. We can do it!
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

I was just talking about Canada (or America), not "every other country".

Nice try but...

Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

The fact that we see no coverage in the media of the unchanging success of this nation can only lead one to believe that the liberal dominated lamestream media don't want us to know that we can have a successful, capitalist nation, free from the economic ruin that comes with socialism. We need to educate ourselves as to what the Liechtenstein citizens did and learn from them to take back control of our countries and our lives.

You were suggesting that Liechtenstein's success had something to do with capitalism vs socialism and it doesn't really.
 
Bar Sinister
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Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

That's not how I would define socialism. Liechtenstein also has qualities other than its economy that make it awesome in my opinion.

That may not ve how you define socialism, but that is an essential characteristic of socialism; providing services and basic infrastructure to the average citizen.
 
damngrumpy
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I have some problems with socialism however I don't feel the need to label anything I
don't like socialism. For example we have this tiny country with it loyalty to be commended
I am sure. Its a tiny country and that in itself allows it to govern more closely and the
people have a closer kinship. This is really a disguised attack on socialism than it is about
this nation. It is somehow suggesting the media and the governments of our country are
full of socialists. Down in America, that socialist Obama and all that eating up space on
threads in this forum. Obama is not a socialist he would be a conservative in Canada.
I personally don't fear either socialism or capitalism both are incompetent in my view.
Both need to be supervised to ensure they don't get out of control that means regulation
and that means unless they are controlled in some measure they succumb to dishonesty
We need a balance, some problems require right of center solutions and others need
left of center solutions.
Just think in a week one side or the other will be bashing the other and ignoring the fact
that the continent is going to hell in a hand basket. Nice try though Liechtenstein is a small
small nations you can travel through while having a coffee, it has nothing in common with
the reality of a large nation and a huge population.
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

That may not ve how you define socialism, but that is an essential characteristic of socialism; providing services and basic infrastructure to the average citizen.

If it gets that far (not likely) after the government scrapes (steals) honest earned money from job creators. More likely you just made the government bigger, richer, and more powerful and the "working man" still lives check to check. That's assuming you don't lose the middle class altogether and slip into outright communism of course.

Didn't you know that Jesus said "you will have the poor with you ALWAYS" ? (Matthew 26:11 (external - login to view)) That's why it's up to INDIVIDUALS, CHURCHES, COMMUNITIES, to take care of the poor and sick through CHARITY. Governments cannot be trusted as "middle men" between the poor/sick and any resources that are suppose to help them.

Socialism is a dangerous failure. France is now robbing their wealthiest citizens for 75 percent income tax! That, my friend, is IMMORAL. I don't care how much money you earn honestly. If a government materialized and took 75 percent of income from honest people, there should be a revolution in my eye.
Last edited by In Between Man; Nov 4th, 2012 at 02:25 AM..
 
petros
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Licked my what?
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

Nice try though Liechtenstein is a small
small nations you can travel through while having a coffee, it has nothing in common with
the reality of a large nation and a huge population.

I was really lookin' to poke PoliticalNick in the ribs.
Last edited by In Between Man; Nov 4th, 2012 at 02:26 AM..
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

Socialism is a dangerous failure.

Or is the management of Socialism not so great?
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Licked my what?

It's an awesome little country in Europe! A flag and everything.

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Or is the management of Socialism not so great?

Well I say it's an idea doomed to fail. The rich can run outta money ya know...
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

Well I say it's an idea doomed to fail. The rich can run outta money ya know...

How so? You only get taxed on what you make, not what you already have in assets. If you are rich, you'll stay rich.
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

You were suggesting that Liechtenstein's success had something to do with capitalism vs socialism and it doesn't really.

Well they have very low corporate tax rate and encourage those nice wealthy people to keep their monies safe in their beautiful little home. And they don't rob the rich as a main source of revenue.

Plus they have a king, lefties who like socialism don't like monarchs. They like biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggg government. Big sis telling ya what to do.

Liechtenstein sounds capitalist to me.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

Liechtenstein sounds capitalist to me.

Are we capitalists?
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

How so? You only get taxed on what you make, not what you already have in assets. If you are rich, you'll stay rich.

You gonna work hard, take big risks , expand your business, hire extra help, or have the ability to CONTINUALLY give to charities when you're only taking home a low return (25%)?

I think not.

No revolution, I'd probably take my assets, my tax dollars, and ditch your "socialist utopia".

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Are we capitalists?

I am, you?
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

You gonna work hard, take big risks , expand your business, hire extra help, or have the ability to CONTINUALLY give to charities when you're only taking home a low return (25%)?

I think not.

No revolution, I'd probably take my assets, my tax dollars, and ditch your "socialist utopia".



I am, you?

25%? Who the hell only takes home 25%? And why would you pay taxes on your assets? When you own a business you don't pocket your profits. You pay yourself a draw, a set salary of X amount a month. Your business profit stays in your business.

You are? You renounced all of the Canadian social benefits afforded to you
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

25%? Who the hell only takes home 25%? And why would you pay taxes on your assets? When you own a business you don't pocket your profits. You pay yourself a draw, a set salary of X amount a month. Your business profit stays in your business.

Yeah, but if you SELL your business, as is your right, you now pay the 75 percent on what you just made. No? What wouldn't a socialist gov go after that cash?

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You are? You renounced all of the Canadian social benefits afforded to you

I actually have the forms on my desk to "opt out" of the mandatory MSP. The only problem is that you're out for one full year once you sign, and I have no choice but to keep it for now because I'm currently pursuing a specific career that requires it.

CPP? Can't opt out of that. What else is there?
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

Yeah, but if you SELL your business, as is your right, you now pay the 75 percent on what you just made. No? What wouldn't a socialist gov go after that cash?



I actually have the forms on my desk to "opt out" of the mandatory MSP. The only problem is that you're out for one full year once you sign, and I have no choice but to keep it for now because I'm currently pursuing a specific career that requires it.

CPP? Can't opt out of that. What else is there?

Capital gains aren't 75%. Where did you get that number mate?
Health, transit, water, electricty, nat gas, roads, waterways, TV, radio, education, EI, WCB, OAS, natural resources, parks, recreation facilities...want me to keep going?
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Capital gains aren't 75%. Where did you get that number mate?
Health, transit, water, electricty, nat gas, roads, waterways, TV, radio, education, EI, WCB, OAS, natural resources, parks, recreation facilities...want me to keep going?

I would be perfectly happy leaving society and all those things behind, I often dream about it. (With the exception of water and natural resources; that's provided by the Creator)
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

I would be perfectly happy leaving society and all those things behind, I often dream about it. (With the exception of water and natural resources; that's provided by the Creator)

You'd never be able to afford it.
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

You'd never be able to afford it.

Either one of us wouldn't have to go very far down ancestral lines to find folks who lived like that.

Haven't you seen "Alone in the Wilderness"?

Do you have any idea how many rifles and how much ammo I have?

 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

Either one of us wouldn't have to go very far down ancestral lines to find folks who lived like that.

Haven't you seen "Alone in the Wilderness"?

Do you have any idea how many rifles and how much ammo I have?

D ick Proencki(sp)? He wasn't living there for free, it still cost him and he still enjoyed the benefits socially afforded to him.

You can only shoot one rifle at a time and you're still relying on wildlife management to ensure you have food to shoot, just like D ick.

Do you have D ick's skills?


You'd have to go really really really far back to find a non-taxpayer in your woodpile.
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

You'd have to go really really really far back to find a non-taxpayer in your woodpile.

But we did it! It's possible!

Obviously I'm going to live as any modern person would, but I'm still a capitalist in the sense I'm all for you earning as much money as you can honestly.

Quote:

Do you have D ick's skills?

Are you kidding me?
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

But we did it! It's possible!

Obviously I'm going to live as any modern person would, but I'm still a capitalist in the sense I'm all for you earning as much money as you can honestly.



Are you kidding me?

For as long as man has lived in groups, we've had to ante up to the kitty in one form or another. You can make all you want to make in a Socialist society. Good ol' Socialist Canada is a great example. Harper is a top notch Socialist which goes back to what I said about management.

Without frivolous BS Socialism works just fine. People get confused between wants and needs and that is the financial downfall of any system.

There is one thing that you could do to make life easier and cheaper. Get the hell out of BC.
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Good ol' Socialist Canada is a great example. Harper is a top notch Socialist which goes back to what I said about management.

Nah, see, we're not talking about the same thing. I'm nowhere near labeling Harper a socialist. I'm talking about "let's go full-fledged communist" kind of socialism. Vietnam calls itself a "socialist republic" yet it's a one party state. Sound like fun?

"The goal of socialism is communism." - Lenin
 
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