What about Liechtenstein? Why aren't the media covering it?


petros
#31
Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

Nah, see, we're not talking about the same thing. I'm nowhere near labeling Harper a socialist. I'm talking about "let's go full-fledged communist" kind of socialism. Vietnam calls itself a "socialist republic" yet it's a one party state. Sound like fun?

"The goal of socialism is communism." - Lenin

Lenin was scared ****less of Socialism because the people have control unlike his Totalitarian brand Communism. They are opposites. Never confuse the two or fall for the misconsception that tyranny and totalitarianism are a necessity of Communism or that Socialism and Communism are one in the same. That belief comes from western propaganda.

Hutterites are a good example of Communists that arent tyrannical but benevolent.

Ever heard of a Kibbutz?

Tyranny can happen to any social system whether democratic republic, monarchy, theocracy, dictatorship or capitalist.

If we aren't prudent, we could easily be next to experience tyranny and totalitarianism on our own soil.

Never ever ever trust a Govt of any type.
 
tay
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

Liechtenstein has tremendous support for its monarchy, even rejecting to revoke the monarch's veto power in a September 2012 referendum. Thanks to a very low corporate tax rate all the cool kids want to do business there, resulting in more registered companies than citizens. It has a very high GDP, low external debt, a 100 percent literacy rate, and one of the highest standards of living in Europe. The fact that we see no coverage in the media of the unchanging success of this nation can only lead one to believe that the liberal dominated lamestream media don't want us to know that we can have a successful, capitalist nation, free from the economic ruin that comes with socialism. We need to educate ourselves as to what the Liechtenstein citizens did and learn from them to take back control of our countries and our lives.

"For God and country!" (an old Liechtenstein motto)


I don't know where you get that opinion from. I just read that Liechtenstein is a hell hole...............
 
Cannuck
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#33
Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

Well they have very low corporate tax rate and encourage those nice wealthy people to keep their monies safe in their beautiful little home. And they don't rob the rich as a main source of revenue.

Yeas, we get that they're a tax haven. You've already admitted though, that not every country can do that.

Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

Plus they have a king, lefties who like socialism don't like monarchs. They like biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggg government. Big sis telling ya what to do.

Wrong again. I'm conservative. I want less government. I also don't believe people should be entitled to status and privilege because of who their daddy is. That type of thinking has no place in an enlightened society.
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L Gilbert
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#34
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Licked my what?

Your stein. Maybe beer stein?

lmao To paraphrase Galbraith; in socialism, man exploits man. In capitalism, it's the reverse.
Neither is all good or all bad.
 
PoliticalNick
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#35
Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

Nah, see, we're not talking about the same thing. I'm nowhere near labeling Harper a socialist. I'm talking about "let's go full-fledged communist" kind of socialism. Vietnam calls itself a "socialist republic" yet it's a one party state. Sound like fun?

"The goal of socialism is communism." - Lenin

The goal of Jesus was socialism!

Really, this dude you worship was a left-wing socialist. The christian faith is a socialist doctrine. Help the poor, equality for all, yadda yadda....

So how do you become a right-wing conservative while still espousing you are a christian? Seems like a bit of a paradox to me so maybe explain it from your standpoint.
 
gore0bsessed
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#36
Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post




I am, you?

I don't think Jesus would approve.
 
WLDB
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#37
Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

That's not how I would define socialism.

Well at least one conservative is willing to say that.
 
Bar Sinister
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#38
Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

If it gets that far (not likely) after the government scrapes (steals) honest earned money from job creators. More likely you just made the government bigger, richer, and more powerful and the "working man" still lives check to check. That's assuming you don't lose the middle class altogether and slip into outright communism of course.

Didn't you know that Jesus said "you will have the poor with you ALWAYS" ? (Matthew 26:11) That's why it's up to INDIVIDUALS, CHURCHES, COMMUNITIES, to take care of the poor and sick through CHARITY. Governments cannot be trusted as "middle men" between the poor/sick and any resources that are suppose to help them.

Socialism is a dangerous failure. France is now robbing their wealthiest citizens for 75 percent income tax! That, my friend, is IMMORAL. I don't care how much money you earn honestly. If a government materialized and took 75 percent of income from honest people, there should be a revolution in my eye.

Yeah, I've heard devout Christians using the "you wil have the poor with you always," quote to justify doing little or nothing for their fellow citizens. I note that comment quite clearly contradicts most of Christ's other comments about the poor in which he clearly exhorted people to help others.

The fact is that no economic system is perfect and a considerable amount of what many citizens value in society such as roads, hospitals, schools, parks, recreational facilities, old age pensions, health care, and libraries are examples of social lesgislation.

Looking at the other side capitalism is very far from perfect, particularly modern captalism which has failed to deliver its on its promise of a good life for all citizens. You might be right about the revolution, but it will probably come in the form of higher taxes on the wealthy.
 
EagleSmack
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The country/village of Lickenstein does more (per capita) for the world than any other country in the world. Us Yanks have been reminded of that a number of times.
 
In Between Man
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#40
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

The goal of Jesus was socialism!

Really, this dude you worship was a left-wing socialist. The christian faith is a socialist doctrine. Help the poor, equality for all, yadda yadda....

Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessedView Post

I don't think Jesus would approve.

That claim gets tossed around a lot, but always without any scriptural evidence whatsoever. Jesus NEVER advocated or commanded that wealth be TAKEN AWAY from one group of people and given to another. You can quote whatever he said regarding the poor, because he plainly advocated CHARITY, not socialism.

And I really got you with the parable of the talents told by Jesus. In that parable Jesus takes away the single talent from the poor man and gave it to the rich man who had far more talents to begin with! At the end of the parable, Jesus tells the lazy poor man to go to hell for his failure to invest. Sound like socialism? Read it for yourself, (Matt 25:14-30) and I'm curious how you would explain His words away, because the parable of the talents DESTROYS any claim that Jesus, (or Christianity) is socialist.

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So how do you become a right-wing conservative while still espousing you are a christian? Seems like a bit of a paradox to me so maybe explain it from your standpoint.

LOVE THIS QUESTION. I have never been asked this and I'm thrilled to give an answer! (deep subject, so I'll just stick to a couple of points to keep it short)

How much time have you spent pondering, discussing with friends, or reading the bible to try to understand God's character? God/theology/religion has probably been my favorite subject since my youth and I've spent thousands of hours on the subject.

While espousing to be a Christian, right-wing conservative beliefs based on logic:

Without even picking up the bible yet, common sense says that if God is the Author of life, no human has the right to take that God-given life away from an innocent person. You can say whatever you like about a woman's so called "right to choose" but the fact remains that you will NEVER be able to demonstrate GUILT on the part of an unborn child.

Faith in God aka "fear of the Lord" results in one to oppose abortion.

While espousing to be a Christian, right wing conservative beliefs based on God's Word:

If the bible is God's revealed Word to us, then "gay marriage" and homosexual behavior is sinful according to God. Jesus IDENTIFIED marriage as between one man and one woman, He said to uphold the OT commandments that do condemn homosexuality, and warned us about the sinful condition of Sodom and Gomorrah (whose presenting sin was homosexuality).

All biblical evidence says homosexual behavior (and more) is sin against God.

Right wing conservative beliefs/labels decided by societal norms:

If you oppose abortion and gay marriage, most leftists are going to label you not only conservative but probably "far right". Couple this with the observation that GENERALLY SPEAKING the anti-God crowd falls on the left, support things like abortion and gay marriage, and viola, you find yourself a conservative Christian.

For the reasons that, to pretend God is okay with these things is called IDOLATRY, you're off worshiping some other "god", and not the real one. Further, it's foolish to "conform" God, or the truth, to your own standard of morality, or to just follow the crowd's standard. God sets the standard, so it's obviously more wise to renew your thinking to his thinking. (Romans 12:2)

There ya go, I tried to keep it short. I'm giving you a green thumb for your post, not because I agree with what you said, but because you asked an excellent, deep, and what I perceive to be a sincere question, one I enjoyed answering. Cheers!
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Bar Sinister
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#41
Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

That claim gets tossed around a lot, but always without any scriptural evidence whatsoever. Jesus NEVER advocated or commanded that wealth be TAKEN AWAY from one group of people and given to another. You can quote whatever he said regarding the poor, because he plainly advocated CHARITY, not socialism.
And I really got you with the parable of the talents told by Jesus. In that parable Jesus takes away the single talent from the poor man and gave it to the rich man who had far more talents to begin with! At the end of the parable, Jesus tells the lazy poor man to go to hell for his failure to invest. Sound like socialism? Read it for yourself, (Matt 25:14-30) and I'm curious how you would explain His words away, because the parable of the talents DESTROYS any claim that Jesus, (or Christianity) is socialist.
LOVE THIS QUESTION. I have never been asked this and I'm thrilled to give an answer! (deep subject, so I'll just stick to a couple of points to keep it short)
How much time have you spent pondering, discussing with friends, or reading the bible to try to understand God's character? God/theology/religion has probably been my favorite subject since my youth and I've spent thousands of hours on the subject.

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So what you are basically saying is that you have twisted the gospels to suit your own right wing bias. In spite of your use of the word "logic" in your post, there is very little logical about it; just a blind religious fantacism being used to justify discrimination, hatred, and greed.
 
PoliticalNick
Free Thinker
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

That claim gets tossed around a lot, but always without any scriptural evidence whatsoever. Jesus NEVER advocated or commanded that wealth be TAKEN AWAY from one group of people and given to another. You can quote whatever he said regarding the poor, because he plainly advocated CHARITY, not socialism.
And I really got you with the parable of the talents told by Jesus. In that parable Jesus takes away the single talent from the poor man and gave it to the rich man who had far more talents to begin with! At the end of the parable, Jesus tells the lazy poor man to go to hell for his failure to invest. Sound like socialism? Read it for yourself, (Matt 25:14-30) and I'm curious how you would explain His words away, because the parable of the talents DESTROYS any claim that Jesus, (or Christianity) is socialist.
LOVE THIS QUESTION. I have never been asked this and I'm thrilled to give an answer! (deep subject, so I'll just stick to a couple of points to keep it short)
How much time have you spent pondering, discussing with friends, or reading the bible to try to understand God's character? God/theology/religion has probably been my favorite subject since my youth and I've spent thousands of hours on the subject.

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So all I have to ask now is why do you quote the words of men to be the will of god. God did not write the bible, it was written (and rewritten numerous times) by men. Unfortunately unless you have actually had god come before you and say these are the ideals you should live by you are simply following the ideals of men, specifically men with an agenda to establish a church and have followers.

I give you a greenie for your succinct answers, not because I buy what you're selling.
 
petros
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

And I really got you with the parable of the talents told by Jesus. In that parable Jesus takes away the single talent from the poor man and gave it to the rich man who had far more talents to begin with! At the end of the parable, Jesus tells the lazy poor man to go to hell for his failure to invest. Sound like socialism? Read it for yourself, (Matt 25:14-30) and I'm curious how you would explain His words away, because the parable of the talents DESTROYS any claim that Jesus, (or Christianity) is socialist.

The "gold in the bags" wasn't gold.

It was respect, love. friendship, self respect, faith, trust, compassion, the holy spirit and so forth.

If you bury those things in the ground instead of utilizing them and spreading them around and having them grow you have failed in what God has entrusted you with.

Same goes for the render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's line.

What Jesus is saying is money means nothing to him, give that to Caesar all (because it is Caesar's money and it has his picture on it to prove it) you want but don't you dare give your give your heart, mind and soul to Caesar (politics) because those belong to God.

When I see you get wound up in politics giving your heart, mind and soul to Caesar I fear for you young man. I really do.

I don't know who is teaching you this stuff but they really need to give their head a shake and stop worshipping the god of this earth, this world. The god who can provide you with real sacks of gold, land, fame, and all the material things of this earth, this world is not someone you want to be duped by.
 
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