Canada considering mutual defense pact with Israel

[earth_as_one]

OTTAWA - Canada and Israel are about to complete a number of defence co-operation agreements that will significantly tighten military bonds between the two countries as tensions grow over Iran's nuclear ambitions.
And Defence Minister Peter MacKay refused Wednesday to rule out a mutual-defence agreement that would oblige Canada to come to Israel's defence should the latter be attacked.
Appearing together at a media conference in Ottawa on Wednesday, Mr. MacKay and his Israeli counterpart Ehud Barak said they anticipate negotiations will be completed by the end of the year.
"Israel needs strong, reliable partners, which Canada is certainly one," Mr. MacKay said. "I would argue they could not find a more supportive country on the planet."
Canada, Israel to bolster militaries

 

[Goober]

OTTAWA - Canada and Israel are about to complete a number of defence co-operation agreements that will significantly tighten military bonds between the two countries as tensions grow over Iran's nuclear ambitions.
And Defence Minister Peter MacKay refused Wednesday to rule out a mutual-defence agreement that would oblige Canada to come to Israel's defence should the latter be attacked.
Appearing together at a media conference in Ottawa on Wednesday, Mr. MacKay and his Israeli counterpart Ehud Barak said they anticipate negotiations will be completed by the end of the year.
"Israel needs strong, reliable partners, which Canada is certainly one," Mr. MacKay said. "I would argue they could not find a more supportive country on the planet."
Canada, Israel to bolster militaries

The best thing to do is to invite Israel to become part of NATO.

 

[55Mercury]

I agree with the NATO idea but the other idea is plain stupid. Canada to rush to Israel's defense? After hitching a ride on whose aircraft? What a joke. And Israel will come to our defense if we're invaded, say, by the United States? lol How reassuring it will be to everyone under bombardment that help is but a week away. lol Damn, I'll have to remember to cite this stupidity the next time the CPC calls me up for donations. Sorry, morons, not a fvcking chance.

 

[taxslave]

I don't quite see how this is any benefit to Canada but it is certainly good news for the only democracy in the middle east.

 

[Johnnny]

Say we in the unlikely event we get invaded, would Israel send some its troops here to help us? Or is this mostly a one way deal like most of the things we sign?

 

[petros]

I don't quite see how this is any benefit to Canada but it is certainly good news for the only democracy in the middle east.

If it were the only one you'd be on to something.

 

[wulfie68]

I think the NATO idea is the better solution, simply because if it came down to a major conflict, I don't think we have the resources to be of much aid to the Israelis on our own...

 

[lone wolf]

I think I'd rather marry the needy neurotic down the road....

 

[ironsides]

Say we in the unlikely event we get invaded, would Israel send some its troops here to help us? Or is this mostly a one way deal like most of the things we sign?

I think they would, they helped us after Hurricane Katrina hit: "Further to the foreign minister's directive to coordinate the humanitarian assistance to the United States, the Israel Foreign Ministry calls on Israeli companies and organizations to donate vital goods and equipment which will soon be sent by special plane to the disaster area. By request of the American authorities, the items needed are: plastic sheeting, water, baby food, disposable diapers, cleaning agents, large tents, medical equipment (excluding medicines), and food."

Israeli aid to Hurricane Katrina victims 5-Sep-2005

 

[Omicron]

Oh that's great. Two non-official nuclear nations defending each other. ****ing MBA's.

Acceptance is if Jews come up with a way to turn Old Man River suckers into Gefilte fish

 

[ironsides]

How about the carp moving north, they are a bony white fish?

 

[earth_as_one]

1) This will happen, but there won't be any debate and most Canadians will find out the details after the fact.
2) Its probably a one way street. I can't see any likely scenarios where Canada is attacked and we call on Israel to defend us. But I can certainly see how Israel could attack Iran and drag Canada into it.

So all you idiots who are cheering on Israel and the US to bomb Iran because of their alleged nuclear weapon ambitions should realize that Canadians lives would also on the line too. If Canada joins the alliance beating up on Iran, that would make us fair game, not just in middle east, but also in Halifax, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Winnipeg, Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver. Even though Iran is a few years away from possessing ICBMs, and are probably a few months to a year from making nuclear weapons, Iran does have an advanced chemical and biological weapon capability. In theory a small amount of deadly contagious released in a densely populated urban area can kill a lot of people and interfere with trade. Imagine putting all of Toronto under quarantine as tens of thousands of people die of a deadly unknown contagion. Iran would deny all knowledge or involvemnet of course. Its just a co-incidence that an unknown disease broke out simultaneously in the major cities of all the countries involved in bombing Tehran....

I have disagreed all along with the Harper government moving Canada closer to the war criminals in Tel Aviv. A mutual defense agreement with Israel is a really bad idea. Canada doesn't have any strategic or vital interests in common with Israel, but since the CPCs have a majority, they could ram an agreement through Parliament with little to no debate.

I've been warning CC people here for years that this was the direction the Conservatives wanted to take Canada. Unfortunately, I've been proven right.

 

[CDNBear]

1) This will happen, but there won't be any debate and most Canadians will find out the details after the fact.
2) Its probably a one way street. I can't see any likely scenarios where Canada is attacked and we call on Israel to defend us. But I can certainly see how Israel could attack Iran and drag Canada into it.

So all you idiots who are cheering on Israel and the US to bomb Iran because of their alleged nuclear weapon ambitions should realize that Canadians lives would also on the line too. If Canada joins the alliance beating up on Iran, that would make us fair game, not just in middle east, but also in Halifax, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Winnipeg, Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver. Even though Iran is a few years away from possessing ICBMs, and are probably a few months to a year from making nuclear weapons, Iran does have an chemical and biological weapon capability. In theory a small amount of deadly contagious disease released can kill a lot of people.

I have disagreed all along with the Harper government moving Canada closer to the war criminals in Tel Aviv. A mutual defense agreement with Israel is a really bad idea. Canada doesn't have any strategic or vital interests in common with Israel, but since the CPCs have a majority, they could ram an agreement through Parliament with little to no debate.

I've been warning CC people here for years that this was the direction the Conservatives wanted to take Canada. Unfortunately, I've been proven right.

Your usual demonization of Israel aside.

Not that I agree with attacking Iran, but some people have principles. Some people stand by those principles.

Some people even feel so strongly about those principles, that they would die for them.

I'm sure this is a foreign concept to some, especially having witnessed the lack of integrity in some peoples principles around here.

Holding different nations to different standards, has that effect.

 

[TenPenny]

Israel hardly needs Canada's help.

 

[earth_as_one]

If you want to fight along side the Israeli's I recommend you volunteer your services at the Israeli embassy as an individual.

Canada should not support Israel's efforts to ethnically cleanse Palestine of Palestinians. You may support how Israel treats these people and their war crimes and crimes against humanity. Many Canadians like myself do not. We should have a chance to voice our opposition before the deal is signed.

The Conservatives have no mandate to hitch Canada's wagon to Israel. It was never mentioned in the last election. The conservatives should have to take this to a referendum. Its a complete shift from Canada's official position of neutrality in this conflict and puts all of us at risk of an attack by a country armed with CWs and BWs in order to help Israel create a pure Jewish state for God's Chosen People. I'm certain most informed Canadians would not support this looming mutual defense agreement with Israel.

 

[ironsides]

1) This will happen, but there won't be any debate and most Canadians will find out the details after the fact.
2) Its probably a one way street. I can't see any likely scenarios where Canada is attacked and we call on Israel to defend us. But I can certainly see how Israel could attack Iran and drag Canada into it.

So all you idiots who are cheering on Israel and the US to bomb Iran because of their alleged nuclear weapon ambitions should realize that Canadians lives would also on the line too. If Canada joins the alliance beating up on Iran, that would make us fair game, not just in middle east, but also in Halifax, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Winnipeg, Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver. Even though Iran is a few years away from possessing ICBMs, and are probably a few months to a year from making nuclear weapons, Iran does have an advanced chemical and biological weapon capability. In theory a small amount of deadly contagious released in a densely populated urban area can kill a lot of people and interfere with trade. Imagine putting all of Toronto under quarantine as tens of thousands of people die of a deadly unknown contagion. Iran would deny all knowledge or involvemnet of course. Its just a co-incidence that an unknown disease broke out simultaneously in the major cities of all the countries involved in bombing Tehran....

I have disagreed all along with the Harper government moving Canada closer to the war criminals in Tel Aviv. A mutual defense agreement with Israel is a really bad idea. Canada doesn't have any strategic or vital interests in common with Israel, but since the CPCs have a majority, they could ram an agreement through Parliament with little to no debate.

I've been warning CC people here for years that this was the direction the Conservatives wanted to take Canada. Unfortunately, I've been proven right.

Who is cheering on the U.S. and Canada to bomb Iran, last I heard it was Great Briton and Israel doing the threatening. The U.S. is still trying to talk them out of building a nuclear bomb. As for chemical and biological weapons which have been banned for us to have or use, they better not have them. Canadians have been involved up to their necks in the problems of the world for years and with the exception of a very few do not seem to come off as a nation of cowards as you inferred.

 

[CDNBear]

If you want to fight along side the Israeli's I recommend you volunteer your services at the Israeli embassy as an individual.

Did you miss the part where I said I don't agree with attacking Iran?

Although to be honest, if I was 20 years younger, sans all the metal and plastic parts, and eligible, I would have no issues with volunteering for service in the IDF. My principles aren't made of jello, like some.

Canada should not support Israel's efforts to ethnically cleanse Palestine of Palestinians.

Canada doesn't.

You may support how Israel treats these people and their war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Can you back that silly claim up?

Many Canadians like myself do not. We should have a chance to voice our opposition before the deal is signed.

Thankfully you have that right, and this venue, because of people with priciples, that aren't made of jello. Carry on.

The Conservatives have no mandate to hitch Canada's wagon to Israel. It was never mentioned in the last election. The conservatives should have to take this to a referendum. Its a complete shift from Canada's official position of neutrality in this conflict and puts all of us at risk of an attack by a country armed with CWs and BWs in order to help Israel create a pure Jewish state for God's Chosen People.

You think Iran would use illegal weapons against us?

That's odd since you've spent a considerable amount of time defending Iran's leader, from accusations of being a loon, that would illegally wipe Israel off the map.

So which is it, is he a loon capable of using illegal weapons? Or sane and just demonized by the west, and now you?

You can't have it both ways.

I'm certain most informed Canadians would not support this looming mutual defense agreement with Israel.

I'm certain your idea of informed and mine, differ greatly. I like facts, you like anecdote.

Canadians have been involved up to their necks in the problems of the world for years and with the exception of a very few do not seem to come off as a nation of cowards as you inferred.

Some peoples principles, end when their comfort buffer is breached. Hell, some peoples principles bend and sway for different religions and races.

Thankfully, the bulk of Canadians, IMHO, do not share that commonality with EAO and several others that slither around these boards.

 

[earth_as_one]

Israel hardly needs Canada's help.

Are you certain? Then why would Israel want this agreement with Canada?

Consider what would happen if Canada signs this agreement and then Israel attacks against Iran. Not only would Iran launch retaliatory strikes back against Israel, causing Israel to invoke this agreement.... Hezbollah and Hamas would unleash their rocket arsenals against Israel forcing Israel to invade and occupy Gaza and Lebanon, tying down their military. Israel would have to rely on its allies (at crunch time, probably just Canada and the US) to invade and occupy Iran. Meanwhile Iran has a mutual defense pact with Syria. Even though Syria's military is currently distracted by a simmering civil war, honoring their mutual defense pact with Iran could unify the Syrians with their government, especially if Israel or any of its allies preemptively attacked Syria.

I would anticipate that Iran is following this development closely and taking steps to prepare for a war which includes Canada as a hostile belligerent. They'd be silly to do otherwise. I doubt Iran could bomb us by conventional means, but they certainly could resort to asymmetrical warfare (aka terrorist attacks), possibly involving chemical and biological weapons if they faced an existential threat from Israel's allies.

Can you demonstrate a likely scenario where some country attacks Canada and the Israelis help us?

As I see this, a mutual defense agreement is strictly a way for the Harper Conservatives to take Canada into war currently being planned against Iran. The Harper Conservatives have already decided to get involved in that war. A mutual defense agreement is simply the means.

 

[CDNBear]

I doubt Iran could bomb us by conventional means, but they certainly could resort to asymmetrical warfare (aka terrorist attacks), possibly involving chemical and biological weapons if they faced an existential threat from Israel's allies.

I guess that answers my question.

 

[earth_as_one]

I would expect that Iran would resort to using CMs and BWs if they were attacked first to defend themselves against hostile invaders inside their borders. If the Israeli side responds with CWs or BWs inside Iran, then I would expect Iran to unleash CWs and BWs globally against their enemies.