Preparations to Attack Iran???

From one of the ones who has been predicting an attack on Iran for years. Fail after Fail after Fail.


Sounds like the DB Family Reunion!

Like I said, most of the world knows Iran is on the hit list, most of the world can also identify the turd blossom nations who every day threaten Iran with war and now even drones are accidentally straying hundreds of miles off course to fall into Iran. Why ae you leaving your escape from the states so late ES thousands of your countrymen are already x yankees cuz they can read the walls. Don't come to Canada unless you got beer. A tank would make a fine centerpiece for any family reunion.

The war is already on. Sabotage and assassinations are acts of war. So far covert US/Israel actions have probably killed at least 25 people including several nuclear scientists and some family members.

"An Iranian nuclear scientist was assassinated in front of his house today ..." it said. "He was shot dead by a motorcyclist." He was assassinated in front of his child's nursery in Bani Hashem street,"... "His wife, who was wounded in the attack, has been hospitalized." There was no immediate claim of responsibility. Several nuclear scientists have been assassinated in Iran in the past few years, and in November one Iranian scientist was killed and one was wounded in Tehran. Iranian officials and media have blamed Israel, which Tehran calls "the Zionist regime," and the United States for the killings....
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Question for those of you who support murdering Iranian civilians or don't consider these assassinations acts of war.

Would Iran be justified if they assassinated Israeli and American scientists in response to Israeli/American assassinations of Iranian civilians?

If Iran assassinated American and Israeli civilians, would that be an act of war?

Why or why not?

Awwww...come on, that's not a war!

Is that what you are settling for now? You've been aching for ANYONE to attack Iran but as the years go by it isn't happening so you're going to settle for this as a war... THE WAR?

So what are these actions then? Do they count as murder?

Also you never answered the question. Would these actions be war if Iran started assassinating Americans and Israelis?

Does by proxy count? Or is that only reserved for when it suits your agenda?

Arms shipments to Gaza are an act of war, since it violates Israel's arms embargo.

Arms shipments to Hezbollah would not be an act of war. That would be trade. Its not so different than the US selling arms to Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war. However if Iran helped Hezbollah make WMD s, and they used them, then they'd be just as responsible for the consequences as the US was when they helped Iraq make WMDs and they used them against Iran.

Like I said, by proxy when it suits you agenda.

Did arms shipments violate Iran's arms embargo?

Did Iran have an arms embargo?

are they an act of war when Americans and Israelis do the assassinations??

Are the rules the same or different?? I think we have all seen how the "rules" work. It all depends on who is branded the bad guy and who is labelled the "good" guy ( no such thing.....sorry , folks )

If I wasn't on your ignore list, you wouldn't be able to answer my questions without shooting yourself in the foot either.

Which is of course why EAO won't answer them either.

That doesn't mean there is no such thing available. A place called the holy land is a tourist trap of the highest magnitude, if you can't cash in on that then you aren't really trying very hard. If a quieter existence is desired then turn the water in the Dead Sea into a battery and make money off the new benign powerhouse with endless electricity available.
The one thing they have in common is that their bank-accounts ends up in the black instead of sinking further into the red. And it gets cheaper the longer it goes on rather than more expensive each and every year so it cannot go on forever.

Somebody should come up with a virtual Holy Land Internet game based on a blending of all the SIM type of games and various headlines and projections. Say someone chose the 'bulldoze option' the 'long term effect ' created by the game would open up for them suffering the same fate in the virtual rendition.

Or an alternative ending that comes about by no war taking place and the money flows even more freely. Spent on a business that has a generation long business plan (opposed to the 2yr brainstorm plan (patent) or the free 6 month novelty plan (pet rock)) Time to tap that rainy-day account big-time. Die broke or broker, I don't see a real difference.

Nice try, since the total Jewish population in the world is so low. Cannot compare the numbers of planets in our solar system with the numbers of planets and stars in our galaxy.

Hi, Cliffy;
you might be interested to broaden your view of the present situation by taking a closer read of "Peter Eyre's Space":

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I wish Canada would stay out of these countries and mind its own business. It is so evil what we are doing.

Yes, I am well aware of these things. But talking about such things on a public forum just upsets the sheeple. Mustn't show the fallacy of the status quo. They love a good lynching. Not to worry, the controllers are busy putting the plan to thin out the heard into action. Just stay out of their way. The world will be in need of free thinkers when Big Brother declares omnipotence.

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unadulterated INSANITY. Inmates running the asylum??

Hasn't he orchestrated enough slaughter on the planet?? How blood thirsty can he get?? And that makes him a "terrorist". by definition.

cliffy : not only is the world in dire need of free thinkers......it is in critical need of RATIONAL ones.

You really should get off the merry go round, the spin is messing up your grey matter.

Cheney was referring to destroying the drone, full stop. He did not infer or otherwise attacking Iran, as you silly story claims.

Furthermore, why do you think Cheney is still running the country?

Well that clearly excludes you.

Ahhh she just likes to bump up her old hate threads....no matter what

Hey look who just flew in!

That is what your calling a war though? That is what you are settling for?

Low expectations.





IF... IF? Iran has been behind the killing of LOTS of Israelis and Americans.

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Reds
They are hiding in our closets, they are hiding 'neath our beds.

Now it is the Muslims.
Who will it be next? Aliens?

The Inevitable War With Iran
by --, December 15, 2011

One might regard the pledges made to Israel and its friends in the United States by aspiring presidential candidates as pro forma and vaguely amusing, but that would be a mistake. Policy commitments, even if they are lightly entered into, are a serious matter with real-world consequences. At the moment, the obligation to Israel goes far beyond the willingness to give Tel Aviv billions of dollars in aid and unlimited political cover each year. Every Republican candidate but one has --that Jerusalem is the undivided capital of a“Jewish state,” the precise formula demanded by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and each has affirmed his or her eagerness to move the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, which would end forever any chance of actual peace talks with the Palestinians and would also invite a violent reaction against Americans in many parts of the Muslim world. Michele Bachmann has even found a private “donor” willing to pay for the move. Newt Gingrich, who would shift the embassy to Jerusalem within his first two hours as president and who has also promised to name John Bolton as his secretary of state, has meanwhile -- that the Palestinian people do not actually exist, which certainly solves the problem of the two-state solution or any solution at all. They were invented by hostile Arabs and are out to destroy Israel.

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This has to be the most convoluted pathological relationship on the planet. And it makes for the biggest threat to world peace. The consideration of Bolton in another key role is concerning too. Perhaps the evolving role of the empire and its subjects is to be feared. It's constant threats to one place or peoples cannot be viewed as cooperation on a sophisticated political level. What happens when people are afraid. (collectively or singularly)?? They get angry, anxious, tense which builds into resentment which in turn can be acted out in many ways.....starting with empire flag burning and moving up from there.

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Fear of Oil-Price Spike if Senate Also Passes Them

by Jason Ditz, December 14, 2011

In a vote of 410-11, the House of Representatives today passed the Iran Threat Reduction Act, another round of massive sanctions against Iran which Congressmen say will do something related to the constant, evidence-free accusations that Iran is developing a nuclear weapon

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. Overhauling U.S. Policy on Iran

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If as Iran said today, that they redirected the drone by overriding its GPS system, then I give them a very BIG thank you. We just found out its vulnerabilities without it being a big deal. We got off cheap with a easy fix available.

US Fear And Loathing Over Spy Drone

By Ismail Salami - Tehran

December 16, 2011 "--" -- In what seems to be nothing but US-style barefaced arrogance, President Barack Obama has demanded the return of a spy drone which violated the airspace of the Islamic Republic but which was to the humiliation of the US officials downed by the Iranian army.

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something about two bullies playing a very dangerous game...comes to mind

Iran guided the CIA's "lost" stealth drone to an intact landing inside hostile territory by exploiting a navigational weakness long-known to the US military, according to an Iranian engineer now working on the captured drone's systems inside Iran.
Iranian electronic warfare specialists were able to cut off communications links of the American bat-wing RQ-170 Sentinel, says the engineer, who works for one of many Iranian military and civilian teams currently trying to unravel the drone’s stealth and intelligence secrets, and who could not be named for his safety.
Using knowledge gleaned from previous downed American drones and a technique proudly claimed by Iranian commanders in September, the Iranian specialists then reconfigured the drone's GPS coordinates to make it land in Iran at what the drone thought was its actual home base in Afghanistan.

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Israeli Hawks 'Furious' at Panetta for Comments on War

by Jason Ditz, December 28, 2011

A report today is claiming that the Obama Administration is in secret talks with the Israeli government to figure out exactly what would constitute a good excuse for launching an attack on Iran.

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It's a dangerous idea.

Iranians are a fundamental people, like French, British, Germans, Russians, Chinese, Indians etc.

They are not a carved out piece of Arabia. They hate being confused with Arabs.

It means the only way to eliminate Iranians as a "problem" would be to kill each and every one... to wipe them out as a race. All of them. Leave one Iranian male with one Iranian female, and they will rebuild.

This also means that, as a people, it wouldn't be surprising for them to be seeking every means possible to defend themselves. What would Americans do?

Yet, the only thing the citizens of Iran want to do is trade.

I do see Iran having is an inconvenient protectorate-type attitude towards Palestinians, possibly because of their Shi'itism.

It's like China protecting North Korea, the Soviets having protected Cuba, the US protecting Israel, and Canada protecting Haiti.

I see so many combinations, starting with Iran offering zones for Palestinians to emigrate to, such that Iran would become the eliminator of Israeli headaches. Problem is, Iran is probably already at the carrying capacity of land, given its 60 million population, unless they were to get gratuitous western help about agricultural efficiency under harsh climates, for, I don't know if you guys have ever looked at a topographical map, but the borders of Iran are almost perfectly defined by mountain ranges. They are a people defined by their land, and they need food from mountain lands.

Now, here's a freaky thought.

You know how France sort-of maintains stability over North Africa?

You know how America maintains a (possibly unnecessary) stability over south and Central America?

You know how Britain maintains a form of stability over its colonies, former or otherwise, via the Commonwealth?

What if instead of hating Iran, we let them become enough of a power to maintain stability over those sick, dicky little 'Stani republics abandoned by the Russians after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Persians have the history for it. They know those people, and at one time ruled them under empire.

It would mean responsibility, which as a people I think they would have no problem accepting by virtue of their incredibly well refined manners... plus I see all they need is trade, plus probably maybe a bit of respect for being a people... like French Canadians.

They are a fundamental people. I can't repeat that enough. They are not a shaved-off piece of Arabia, and they are not Indian. Put them into a situation of them-or-us, and they will do what you would do.

Yet all they really want to do is trade.

Being a people, they will tolerate a dictatorship in as much as did Germans-as-a-people do under an economy debauched by the Treaty of Versailles, preferring it to slavery.

If you go to war against Iran, it will be like going into WW-II against Germans with an evil leader feeling and telling people they were pushed into it by economics. The Treaty of Versailles was so full of MBA thinking that all it could do was lead to another (profitable?) war, (say some). That treaty was so devastating, the question has become one of whether or not the MBAs knew what they were doing, and whether or not they should therefor be pre-sent to hell given the destruction it lead to. Personally I think it's because the MBAs dictating that treaty didn't know how to do much more than jerk off with copies of the Wall Street Journal and feel confident about knowing where to buy suits, but I could be wrong.

Iranians are advanced enough that if, as a people, they have the money, they will replace the existing government in a nite-shade's second.

They make the best carpets, and Albertan-foothills sheep ranchers grow the world's best lamb.

The problem for Albertan lamb ranchers is that Canadians have a prejudice against lamb, such that all the good stuff gets shipped to Europe, such that those few Canadians okay about eating lamb buy second-grade New Zealand stuff.

Yet Persians *love* good lamb.

We start trading Alberta lamb for good carpets, and end up with a bunch of Alberta lamb ranchers laying on a foot of Persian carpets with a wife nagging about how her shep-herd hubby is getting too much into having his grapes pealed.

Seriously... nobody wants to go to war when everyone is doing well. War is expensive, and is of useless value when of no purpose, such that if UN-treaties govern right, then Iran can take on the burden of governing the non-sense that is the abandoned ex-Soviet 'Stani republics, whereupon everything can get back to and be well fed by good trade.

The Royal Navy's newest and most advanced ship is being sent to the Gulf for her first mission amid heightened tensions with Iran over threats by Tehran to block a busy shipping lane.


First mission: Type 45 destroyer HMS Daring, which employs a 'stealth' design to help avoid detection, is to join the British presence in the region, the Ministry of Defence confirmed



The Type 45 destroyer HMS Daring, which has a 'stealth' futuristic design to help avoid detection, is to join the British presence in the region, the Ministry of Defence confirmed.

The dispatch of the ship comes days after Defence Secretary Philip Hammond warned the regime that any attempt to block the Strait of Hormuz would be 'illegal and unsuccessful' and would be countered militarily if necessary.

Scheduled to leave Portsmouth next Wednesday, the £1 billion destroyer, also carries the world's most sophisticated naval radar, capable of tracking multiple incoming threats from missiles to fighter jets.

The vessel has been fitted with new technology that will give it the ability to shoot down any missile in Iran's armoury, according to The Telegraph.

An MoD spokesman said: 'The Royal Navy has had a continuous presence East of Suez for many years, including the Armilla patrol and its successors since 1980.

'While the newly-operational Type 45 destroyer HMS Daring is more capable than earlier ships, her deployment East of Suez has been long planned, is entirely routine and replaces a Frigate on station.'

The second Type 45, HMS Dauntless, will also be available to sail at short notice.

HMS Daring completed four years of sea trials and training late last year and is the first of six new destroyers which will replace the Type 42 vessels which started service in the 1970s.

The vessel, with a crew of 180, is the first to be built with a futuristic design that makes it difficult to detect using radar.

It also has a large flight deck which can accommodate helicopters the size of a Chinook as well as take on board 700 people in the case of a civilian evacuation.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1istGAwNK

Fools march in where Anglo Daring treads?

Please forgive my poetic licence, as I know Das Boot floats.

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On board of the oldest US aircraft carrier, the USS Enterprise, Panetta told the crowd of 1,700 sailors that the 50-year-old ship is heading to the Persian Gulf region in a direct message to Tehran.