Syria : the next "intervention" er Regime Change??


MHz
#31
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Hooray for al Qaeda in Syria!

Libya quit paying them or something? I can hardly wait till the US hands the some humanitarian peace award. It does explain why OBL had to go though. Any replies as to to how Israel came to have 50,000 of them on speed-dial once the revolution was on in Libya?
 
petros
#32
Noooo they got their newest assignment.
 
MHz
#33
From who? Syrian citizens would tear them a new *******.
 
petros
#34
A couple months ago BTW...


New al Qaeda leader slams Syrian president, praises protesters - CNN

Hooray for Syrian Rebels and al Qaeda!
 
MHz
#35
Did you miss this part?

But one prominent Syrian activist, Loay Hussein, rejected the praise of the terror network's leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, telling CNN "we will not permit him or his organization to toy with our revolution and our movement."
 
petros
+1
#36
Didn't you know there is a good al Qaeda and a bad al Qaeda?
 
MHz
#37
Easy to tell these are the bad ones, look who owns them.
The “Free Syria Army” is literally an army of militant extremists, many drawn not from Syria’s military ranks, but from the Muslim Brotherhood, carrying heavy weapons back and forth over the Turkish and Lebanese borders, funded, supported, and armed by the United States, Israel, and Turkey. The latest evidence confirming this comes in the form of a report out of the International Institute for Strategic Studies which clearly states that Syria’s opposition is armed and prepared to drag Syria into more violence.
This report comes in sharp contrast to the propaganda fed via the corporate-media and the West’s foreign ministers on a daily basis, where the violence is portrayed as one-sided, with Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad “gunning down” throngs of peaceful, placard waving protesters. Just as in Libya where these so-called “peaceful protesters” turned out to be hordes of genocidal racist Al Qaeda mercenaries, led by big-oil representatives, fighting their cause upon a verified pack of lies, so too is Syria’s “pro-democracy” movement which is slowly being revealed as yet another militant brand of extremists long cultivated by Anglo-American intelligence agencies, whose leadership is harbored in London and Washington and their foot soldiers supplied a steady stream of covert military support and overt rhetorical support throughout the compromised corporate media.
The unrest in Syria from the beginning was entirely backed by Western corporate-financier interests and part of a long-planned agenda for region-wide regime change. Syria has been slated for regime change since as early as 1991. In 2002, then US Under Secretary of State John Bolton added Syria to the growing “Axis of Evil.” It would be later revealed that Bolton’s threats against Syria manifested themselves as covert funding and support for opposition groups inside of Syria spanning both the Bush and Obama administrations.

The “Free Syria Army”: Placard-Waving Protesters are Actually Machine Gun-Wielding Terrorists | Intifada Palestine
 
earth_as_one
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

One could sincerely hope so!

The Assad regime are butchers. They are everything you accuse the USA of being. Back in the 80s, the people of Syria rose up......and Bashar's father, then ruler, murdered at least 35,000 of them..........

But, unfortunately, there will be no military action against Syria..........

except in the vacant heads of those folks at ..... OMG! I looked at your source!

Peoples' Daily.....

You CAN'T be serious!!!!!!

ROTFLMAO

This is one conflict where Colpy and I agree. The time has come for the overthrow of the Syrian government. However, Syrian is not Libya and this will be a much tougher nut to crack. While few countries liked Gaddafi, Bashar al Assad's Syria has far more strategic significance and intrigue.

In 2005 Syrian and Iran signed a mutual defense pact. Its purpose was to up the ante if Israel or the US attacked either country. If the US, NATO or Israel get involved in this civil war in any way, it could trigger a regional war. So NATO including Canada has to sit on the sidelines in this conflict or risk complicating the situation.

Syria allows Russia to use Tartous, the second largest port in Syria, as a permanent facility for the Russian navy, giving Moscow a key military foothold in the Mediterranean Sea. If the rebels want to keep Russia out of this conflict, they will have to send a clear signal that they will not interfere with Russia's plans inn this area.

I don't trust Chinese news sources when it comes to any story which involves China. But Chinese sources are pretty good when it comes to US and Russian activities or conflicts which don't affect China. I doubt China cares about this conflict one way or the other as it doesn't affect them. Therefore China is probably a better source of objective information than US, Israeli, Arab or Russian sources.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201..._122374258.htm

That pretty much leaves it up to Turkey to help the Syrian people overthrow their government.
 
MHz
+1
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

So NATO including Canada has to sit on the sidelines in this conflict or risk complicating the situation.


That pretty much leaves it up to Turkey to help the Syrian people overthrow their government.

Turkey is a NATO member, lol. Time to give up politics as a hobby. Nice to heard you have joined Colpy's Klan, not so sure he will be all that pleased about it though.

After participating with United Nations forces in the Korean conflict, Turkey in 1952 joined the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). Turkey is currently a European Union candidate.


Turkey
 
earth_as_one
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Turkey is a NATO member, lol. Time to give up politics as a hobby. Nice to heard you have joined Colpy's Klan, not so sure he will be all that pleased about it though.

After participating with United Nations forces in the Korean conflict, Turkey in 1952 joined the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). Turkey is currently a European Union candidate.


Turkey

Good point MHz. Turkey is part of NATO.

But Turkey's involvement in this conflict could not be remotely construed as acting on behalf of Israel, unlike any action by Canada, the US or the UK.
 
MHz
#41
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

Good point MHz. Turkey is part of NATO.

But Turkey's involvement in this conflict could not be remotely construed as acting on behalf of Israel, unlike any action by Canada, the US or the UK.

Seeing Syria, Lebanon, and Iran fall from their current Government is exactly what Israel would love to see happen. Odd that Israel can gun-down Syrian citizens through scopes (they were that far away) yet the local Government (Dictatorship) cannot shoot back when it's troops are being killed, last count was 100 and that was a month ago.

Israel nor the US want Russian armaments sweeping into Syria. Iran manufacturers it's own arms to some degree. Be itheresting to see what brought down that drone in Iran. An HE explosion in close proximity might be enough to disable electronics if the butterfly effect can also effect non fleshy parts in close proximity(in himans the heart and lungs turn to mush). Even a high altitude explosion might be enough to defeat stealth as passive ground radar would see 'holes' in what should be a uniform background.
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
#42
Syria is a different kettle of fish and the Arab world knows it. We have the group Hezbollah in the
south that is supported by Iran and in many instances Syria. What is strange about that you ask?
Iran is a Shia Muslim country and Syria is a Sunni Muslim State and normally they are not that
friendly. The difference here is they both have a serious resentment of Israel.
Syria is in control of its institutions at the present time and I think there would be serious implications
if America or the west went in. Not because the would offend Iran, but because it could unify the
neighbouring states against America. Turkey is a nation that is on the crossroad as the which way it
might go.
America and Europe are not crazy about upsetting that balance right now. For example the fruit
industry has a strange relationship in that nation along with other business interests. The Israelis
have the expertise and the money and the Turks have the land required and they get along just fine
at the present time. If they upset the balance it has implications for defence, commerce and the
politics of the region.
Sometimes its best to leave sleeping dogs lie for a while. I don't think the nations of the world are
interested in creating a conflict here while we are on the verge of seeing the world economy in the tank.
War is usually a solution for recession but in the Middle East it has proven very unprofittable.
 
earth_as_one
#43
HI MHz,

I've also been following this story regarding the US drone downed in Iran. Its off topic, but it appears that Iran's electronic espionage commandeered the drone after they say it entered Iranian airspace. I have no Iranian source for that claim. But the drone was not shot down. Speculation, the drone probably suffered an abrupt forced landing on the Iranian side of the border
 
MHz
#44
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

I've also been following this story regarding the US drone downed in Iran. Its off topic, but it appears that Iran's electronic espionage commandeered the drone after they say it entered Iranian airspace. I have no Iranian source for that claim. But the drone was not shot down. Speculation, the drone probably suffered an abrupt forced landing on the Iranian side of the border

The words I got were 'mostly intact'. Syria and Iran have a mutual defense pact with Russia and each other. An attack on Syria could involve weapons such as Iran used and potentially making the battle one that has no air superiority for either side. That would leave heavy armor and satellite targeting as the main forces. Syria also has the S-300 idf it has not already been upgraded to the S-500 system. Main difference being the 500 systen has multiple smaller faster missles in the nose-cone of the primary missile, rather than being limited to one targetr each one is capable of targeting 10 independent targets with missiles that have a shorter range but are much smaller and much more maneuverable and much faster.
 
MHz
#45
I didn't want to start a new thread for the shoot down of a US drone in Iran or for this next piece. If the drone was a slap on the hand for the US then this piece is a slap on their pee-pee and it could spell disaster more than Syria or Iran could ever cause.
(in part)
What would Americans say if they found their polling stations and certain political parties entirely infiltrated by Chinese money, Chinese observers, and Chinese-backed candidates promoting China's interests in an AMERICAN election? The answer ranges from incarceration, to trials featuring charges ranging from fraud, to sedition and even treason with sentences ranging from decades to life in prison, perhaps even death, as well as possible military action for what could easily be considered an act of war.

Activist Post: BOMBSHELL: US Caught Meddling in Russian Elections!
 
petros
#46
A huge war is inevitable.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#47
Obama Secretly Preparing for Syria Intervention


Obama Secretly Preparing for Syria Intervention -- News from Antiwar.com

....secretly??

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

A huge war is inevitable.

IF that is the case, and it might be, it is because a huge war is wanted/ desired by the warmongering empire. One massive way of cleansing the planet of too many people that require food , OIL, clothing shelter and an education. One way of taking control of the nations still not under the empire's influence.

Just hope someone is keeping track of all the casualties that are adding up even now and those that are to come. Historians will have some gruesome facts to sort through in order to comprehend this phase of human DEVOLUTION...and how it was allowed to happen.

IF a war was not wanted, it would not happen. Who benefits from a huge war?? Gives "war and profits" a whole new meaning .
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#48
By Lockerz



Spoiling for a Fight with Syria and Iran

By Stephen Lendman

December 29, 2011 "Information Clearing House" - Syria remains the region’s only independent secular state. Washington aims to replace its regime with a client one.
Libya’s model was replicated. Months of externally generated violence followed. So far it’s short of war. For how long is uncertain. Obama can’t wait to wage another one to keep ravaging the world one country at a time.

Months of violence, sanctions and isolation have taken a toll. Deaths mount. No one knows how many. Western media reported numbers come from opposition forces, not independent observers. Nothing they say is reliable.

*Spoiling for a Fight with Syria and Iran : Information Clearing House

..spoiling for a fight indeed. the empire cannot survive without its ongoing brawling. It considers killing others a "position of strength and power". Intelligence and humanitarianism......does not factor in ......no matter how many lies they spew.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
+2
#49
Incredible how some "peace-lovers" obsess on evil empires and war....
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#50
Quote:

Russian Anti-Terror Troops Deploy in Syria

Major Fighting Reported in Damascus


Russian Anti-Terror Troops Deploy in Syria -- News from Antiwar.com

Now. THAT is a very interesting development and approach. ...deploying "Anti Terror troops". (rather clever . That would mean these troops would deal with any invading forces who could be defined as terrorists )

Once again.........the value of "terrorism" cannot be underplayed. as it can be manipulated for all kinds of political agenda.
 
MHz
#51
What they will bring is better ways of identifying where the targets are. If the ones about to be killed or captured are paraded on National tv the Syrians and the rest of the world will see it they are nationalists or they have outside help. Either way with Russia officially there NATO won't be taking over the air-space if they ever had plans to and no charges of smuggling can be thrown around. I wonder if Iran will allow Russia to install an aggressive systems, as a defense of course.

Does NATO still have French forces guarding any parts of the border with Lebanon? That has been the escape route for some groups of armed men who confiscate a civilian car a gun-point as soon as they enter the country. You know who they are working for.

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/201...apital-100401/
Last edited by MHz; Mar 20th, 2012 at 05:40 AM..
 
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