Palestinian "Unilateral Declaration of Independence"

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From the brilliant George Jonas:

..................Palestinian statehood hasn’t been at issue for 64 years. The UN voted for it in 1947 and the Jews said yes. Ever since then the contentious issue has been Jewish statehood, not Palestinian. That’s why presenting a declaration of Palestinian statehood in 2011 as “unilateral” is a bit thick. The world made its decision with a two-thirds majority two generations ago. A baby born that day is getting ready for retirement, golden watch and all. It takes some gall for Abbas to stand up and refer as “unilateral” to a proclamation that had been multilaterally resolved around the time he was 12 years old.
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Nothing stood in the way of implementing Palestinian nationhood but those Arab and/or Muslim leaders and followers who rejected Jewish nationhood from the outset and continue to this day. The General Assembly’s final tally in 1947 was 33 countries for and 13 against partition, with 10 abstentions, including the United Kingdom. The countries that rejected Palestinian statehood by voting against partition came overwhelmingly from the Arab/Muslim world: Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey and Yemen — the Palestinian’s own kith and kin, people the late Yasser Arafat liked to kiss and call his cousins. If the Palestinians don’t have a state today, it’s because their kissing cousins would rather see them without a home than see Jews with a roof over their heads.
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..............A Palestinian state has been recognized for a long time; it just doesn’t exist. A Jewish state has existed for a long time; it’s just not recognized — at least, not by the people whose recognition counts, the people next door. Palestinians need existence, for they already have recognition, and they can only get it from Israel, not the UN. Jews need recognition, for they already have existence, and they can only get it from their Palestinian neighbours. There should be room for a deal there, even in the Middle East — if, that is, the Arab/Muslim world were really looking for a two-state solution rather than the dissolution of one.
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Read the entire article.....a little history, a lot of common sense.

George Jonas: Palestine goes the unilateral route | Full Comment | National Post
 
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I have read the article and there has been an occupation for 43 years that I'd really like to see end. It's going nowhere and it is financially unfeasable.

You've been paying attention to the recent protests of hundreds of thousands of Israelis saying "enough is enough" I hope?
 
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that wasn't a troll, i fixed the quote for accuracy.

History of Israel: 1947 UN Partition Proposal

Palestine 1947 Map







[SIZE=-1]Population of Palestine 1947 TOTAL 1,845,000[/SIZE]





[SIZE=-1]67% [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]non-Jewish
( 1,237,000 )[/SIZE]


[SIZE=-1]33%[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] Jewish

( 608,000 )










[/SIZE][FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]UN Partition Recommendation
November 29, 1947 Map [/FONT]

[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Land[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Proposed
Jewish State[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Percentage of the land of Palestine
that was proposed for each State[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Proposed Jewish State on 56.47% of the land (excluding Jerusalem)[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Proposed
Arab State[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Proposed Arab Palestinian State on 43.53% of the land
(excluding Jerusalem)[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Proposed Internationally Administered Zone that would have included Jerusalem[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]People[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Population for the International trusteeship regime in Jerusalem[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]105,000 Arabs [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]100,000Jews[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Population for the proposed
Jewish State[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Population for the proposed
Arab State[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]498,000 Jews[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]807,000 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Arabs [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]325,000 Arabs[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]10,000Jews[/SIZE][/FONT]
 
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The Arab leadership (in and out of Palestine) opposed partition and claimed all of Palestine.[84] The Arabs argued that it violated the rights of the majority of the people in Palestine, which at the time was 67% non-Jewish (1,237,000) and 33% Jewish (608,000).[85]

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Can you back that up with some fact troll, or are you just here to ruin another thread?
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you're going on ignore now, not sure why it took so long for me to do that.
 
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AbtFet said:
that wasn't a troll, i fixed the quote for accuracy.

History of Israel: 1947 UN Partition Proposal

Palestine 1947 Map







[SIZE=-1]Population of Palestine 1947 TOTAL 1,845,000[/SIZE]





[SIZE=-1]67% [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]non-Jewish
( 1,237,000 )[/SIZE]


[SIZE=-1]33%[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] Jewish

( 608,000 )










[/SIZE][FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]UN Partition Recommendation
November 29, 1947 Map [/FONT]

[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Land[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Proposed
Jewish State[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Percentage of the land of Palestine
that was proposed for each State[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Proposed Jewish State on 56.47% of the land (excluding Jerusalem)[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Proposed
Arab State[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Proposed Arab Palestinian State on 43.53% of the land
(excluding Jerusalem)[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Proposed Internationally Administered Zone that would have included Jerusalem[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]People[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Population for the International trusteeship regime in Jerusalem[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]105,000 Arabs [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]100,000Jews[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Population for the proposed
Jewish State[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Population for the proposed
Arab State[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]498,000 Jews[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]807,000 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Arabs [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]325,000 Arabs[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]10,000Jews[/SIZE][/FONT]
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Oh boy! Pie!
 
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AbtFet said:
that wasn't a troll, i fixed the quote for accuracy.

History of Israel: 1947 UN Partition Proposal

Palestine 1947 Map







[SIZE=-1]Population of Palestine 1947 TOTAL 1,845,000[/SIZE]





[SIZE=-1]67% [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]non-Jewish
( 1,237,000 )[/SIZE]


[SIZE=-1]33%[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] Jewish

( 608,000 )










[/SIZE]UN Partition Recommendation
November 29, 1947 Map

[SIZE=-1]Land[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Proposed
Jewish State[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Percentage of the land of Palestine
that was proposed for each State[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Proposed Jewish State on 56.47% of the land (excluding Jerusalem)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Proposed
Arab State[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Proposed Arab Palestinian State on 43.53% of the land
(excluding Jerusalem)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Proposed Internationally Administered Zone that would have included Jerusalem[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]People[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Population for the International trusteeship regime in Jerusalem[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]105,000 Arabs [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]100,000Jews[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Population for the proposed
Jewish State[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Population for the proposed
Arab State[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]498,000 Jews[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]807,000 [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Arabs [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]325,000 Arabs[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]10,000Jews[/SIZE]
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Well, I guess your Arab buddies shouldn't have REJECTED the deal, huh???

And then invaded.

The Palestinians are their own worst enemies.......look at 2001, when Arafat spit in the face of Ehud Barak.....who was offering the Palestinians recognition of a state.....not perfect, but a start.

Of course, Arafat realized that in a new state, he would no longer be the sole voice of Palestinian aspirations, his role would be reduced, and there was an excellent chance that his corruption (he stole BILLIONS from the Palestinian people) would be exposed...........

So the people pay. The worst enemies of the Palestinian people by far have been the Arabs. Egypt and Jordan for refusing to negotiate the return of their territory, Iran (Persian actually) for bank-rolling and arming factions that keep war with Israel constantly at a slow boil, along with Saudi Arabia and Syria,.......and on and on........



 
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Arabs have always reiterated that it was rejected because it was unfair: it gave the majority of the land (56 percent) to the Jews, who at that stage legally owned only 7 percent of it,[92] and remained a minority of the population.[93] Mehran Kamrava also notes the disproportionate allocation under the plan, and adds that the area under Jewish control contained 45 percent of the Palestinian population. The proposed Arab state was only given 45 percent of the land, much of which was unfit for agriculture.
 
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AbtFet said:
Arabs have always reiterated that it was rejected because it was unfair: it gave the majority of the land (56 percent) to the Jews, who at that stage legally owned only 7 percent of it,[92] and remained a minority of the population.[93] Mehran Kamrava also notes the disproportionate allocation under the plan, and adds that the area under Jewish control contained 45 percent of the Palestinian population. The proposed Arab state was only given 45 percent of the land, much of which was unfit for agriculture.
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Is that from wikiality?

There's a policy around here about posting links, accrediting the source.
 
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AbtFet said:
The Arab leadership (in and out of Palestine) opposed partition and claimed all of Palestine.[84] The Arabs argued that it violated the rights of the majority of the people in Palestine, which at the time was 67% non-Jewish (1,237,000) and 33% Jewish (608,000).[85]


you're going on ignore now, not sure why it took so long for me to do that.
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Well, there is LOTS of Arab territory......and obviously these two groups simply did not get along, with terrorist factions on both sides.

And it is the ancient Israeli homeland.........and there certainly was a significant number of Jews, with more arriving weekly, at the time.

The Arabs blew it.

And continue to blow it by refusing to recognize Israel......the point Jonas makes in the article.
 
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Colpy said:
Well, there is LOTS of Arab territory......and obviously these two groups simply did not get along, with terrorist factions on both sides.

And it is the ancient Israeli homeland.........and there certainly was a significant number of Jews, with more arriving weekly, at the time.

The Arabs blew it.

And continue to blow it by refusing to recognize Israel......the point Jonas makes in the article.
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Why should Palestinians be forced from their land and flee to other Arab countries? They aren't Jordanian, Egyptian, Syrian, they're Palestinian.
There were plenty of safe areas for Jews and it didn't require the implementation of the racist ideology of Zionism for protection.

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He won't....
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Hey you're on my ignore list now, don't quote people who I've ignored. Not that it makes a difference I generally ignored your posts anyways because you never had anything of value to say.
 
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