Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh
My goodness, extreme nut cases that call themselves Christian threatening Hitchins? What a surprise......NOT.
How can someone be "threatened" with something non-existent? You are being deliberately obtuse. My point obviously was the vitriolic glee in the suffering and possible death of another human being by those who felt completely justified in enjoying and taunting his suffering because of religious beliefs. IOW, what we were discussing: the poisoning effects of religious beliefs.
Probably the same types who roasted marshmallows in the heat generated by the fires burning "heretics" or "catholics" or "protestants" or... Well, whatever belief or non-belief was unfashionable at the time.
Hitchins figuring that it proves his points about religions, only proves that the great and mighty Hitchins has a very narrow, shallow, and simplistic view of things.
Your personal POV, which I as does Hitchins and millions of others feel you have a right to hold of course. You don't have a right to demand by the use of personal attacks or any other means that others not have their own particular POV, disagree with yours, nor to be free to discuss and debate them.
ROFLMAO, this is just too easy. Do you expect that the Holy Roman Catholic Church and his Holiness the Pope would tell those that decided to be politicians that they could ignore that which would go against Church doctrine?
Yes. He has no political legitimacy or authority to interfere in and manipulate the legal governing of Canada. He's merely a foreign leader of a totally separate country. Give him a say in our government then you have to let them all in. Any politician who votes according to their own particular religious beliefs or non beliefs is betraying his oath of office which states s/he will represent equally the constituents s/he represents.
Also, here in Canada, the majority of PM's have been Catholic. As a matter of fact, Trudeau (the man who's government brought us to our present abortion laws) was Catholic. Chretien, the man who's government brought us our present SSM laws, was Catholic. Both these men and their fellow MP's were threatened with excommunication by the Catholic Church if they voted against Church doctrine. Needless to say that the majority of MP's voted for what they felt was right rather than "toeing" the line.
Please give the citations, URLs and any other accredited proofs from non-biased sources for your anecdotal statements. [Why? See below.]
If they hadn't, they would have been commiting political suicide for voting their personal religious belief and because of a specific religious threat emanating from a specific and identifiable source, they knew that. Interesting though that you make this point: they put their political careers, or to be fair possibly also their belief in equality and justice, before their faith. Also you yourself state that the Vatican, in essense the pope, used threats in an attempt to coerce and influence a democratic process in a country where he has no legitimacy except in the minds & non tax paying institutions of his adherents. Some see that as powermongering, some as blatant blackmail.
So, really, if you're gonna bash Christians/Catholics, Christianity/Catholicism, try a different angle.
You mean as in:
more mindless drivel from an obvious bigot with no knowledge.
etc., etc., & so forth...
I don't "bash", I debate and discuss and use citations from the source when possible to demonstrate I am not using anecdotal hyperbole to "bash" someone else's POV. I asked you to give the citations and the sources of what you said above. Before you have another tantrum, consider calmly the opportunities presented in doing so to let those here who are not familiar with our history and our constitution to learn a little more, they may well be interested.
The source is irrefutable as is the message:
CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
on some questions regarding
The Participation of Catholics in Political Life
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, having received the opinion of the Pontifical Council for the Laity, has decided that it would be appropriate to publish the present Doctrinal Note on some questions regarding the participation of Catholics in political life. This Note is directed to the Bishops of the Catholic Church and, in a particular way, to Catholic politicians and all lay members of the faithful called to participate in the political life of democratic societies.
Doctrinal Note on some questions regarding the participation of Catholics in political life (external - login to view)
Pretty, isn't it? If he pawned it, wonder how many starving babies he could feed in impoverished countries where he won't permit contraception? ("Bashing" or food for thought? A somewhat distasteful pun, but there it is.)