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Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Socrates the Greek

#1Feb 2nd, 2010

Toyota owners who are affected by this 2010 recall

I own a 2007 Camry 4 dr with only 45000 klm, we bought it new and had no problems with the car this far, but looking at all the bad publicity this recall is gathering, it doesn’t feel good driving this car any more,

Moreover the irony is, for this winter I put on the car 4 Michelin snows to insure good traction on the road, and here I am faced with a bad problem that can have serious implications in terms of a bad collision. Hope not! But here is the leading questions, Knowing that my car may have such a poetical mechanical failure, does that hold me responsible knowing of such a problem and still driving the car in the event of an accident?. Will ICBC EVER BACK OUT FROM SETTLEMENT given all the strange anecdotes?

Question: Should I park my Camry and rent a car until mine gets fixed, and ask Toyota to pay for all rental costs?

And given this massive recall, sales suspension and all that crap, the value of my car has dropped from $22500 to 12500

Toyota should be on the hook for any depreciating lose as a result of this bad problem.

TenPenny

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

Relax, man, this has been blown all out of proportion.

How many Toyotas have had this problem in Canada, 5?

How does the accelerator feel when you use it - is it rough or sticky, or does it move smoothly?

If it becomes rough, sticky, or slow to come back when you take your foot off, make sure you get to the dealer right away. Otherwise, take a chill pill, and wait for your turn. It's been blown way out of proportion.

Risus

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

Don't be so sure. Toyota isn't telling you everything.

TenPenny

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Risus

Don't be so sure. Toyota isn't telling you everything.

Oh, right, I forgot that every Toyota on the road is flying off at full throttle, and the brakes don't work either.

Avro

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

My wife has a Prius so she is alright.

I don't have a Toyota myself.

#juan

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

Quote:

I own a 2007 Camry 4 dr with only 45000 klm, we bought it new and had no problems with the car this far, but looking at all the bad publicity this recall is gathering, it doesn’t feel good driving this car any more,

Your 2007 Camry will be running like a top ten years from now. Toyota has had a problem and they are fixing it. Don't worry about it.

Dexter Sinister

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Risus

Don't be so sure. Toyota isn't telling you everything.

And how do you know that? Toyota highly values its reputation for quality and reliability, and it seems to me the company's been very forthcoming about this. Personally it makes me *more* likely to buy a Toyota. Can you imagine GM behaving like this?

Avro

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister

And how do you know that? Toyota highly values its reputation for quality and reliability, and it seems to me the company's been very forthcoming about this. Personally it makes me *more* likely to buy a Toyota. Can you imagine GM behaving like this?

We have already seen how GM and other junkie domestic companies deal with problems on vehicles.

Toyota has handled this really well.

TenPenny

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

We have already seen how GM and other junkie domestic companies deal with problems on vehicles.

Toyota has handled this really well.

Actually, no they didn't.

First, they blamed the floor mats.
Now they think they have a fix, but they still should reprogram the engine control module, so that if the brake is pushed while the engine speed is high, fuel should be cut off. Other car companies do this.

It was fairly badly handled, but it's certainly not as big of an issue as some make it out to be.

#juan

#10

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

If you scroll down on the following link there is a list of Toyota vehicles involved in the recal.

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I have two toyota cars; A 2001 Corrola and a 2007 Camry. I know what the problem is and it has never been a problem for me:

When you push down on the front of the gas pedal to accelerate, the rear of the pedal lifts up, making a space where the floor mat can slide under and prevent the pedal from returning to the idle position. The solution is to cut a bit off the back of the gas pedal or slice a bit off the offending floor mat.

This has never been a problem for me and I'm not going to worry about it. The above solutions are not mine and not from Toyota.

Avro

#11

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

Actually, no they didn't.

First, they blamed the floor mats.
Now they think they have a fix, but they still should reprogram the engine control module, so that if the brake is pushed while the engine speed is high, fuel should be cut off. Other car companies do this.

It was fairly badly handled, but it's certainly not as big of an issue as some make it out to be.

I was comparing them to GM, ask anyone who was involved in the massive class action suit against GM because of their crappy gaskets that they still continue to make.

Pure and utter junk, Toyota has it's first major issue and they don't simply sweep it under the rug.

TenPenny

#12

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

When you push down on the front of the gas pedal to accelerate, the rear of the pedal lifts up, making a space where the floor mat can slide under and prevent the pedal from returning to the idle position. The solution is to cut a bit off the back of the gas pedal or slice a bit off the offending floor mat.

That doesn't help the guy who drove his Toyota to the dealership, with the engine roaring at full throttle, with NO floor mats in the car.

Quote:

Toyota Avalon displays unintended acceleration without floor mat
01/15/2010, 3:26 PM
By Mark Kleis
In a rather bizarre instance, a driver reportedly began to experience unintended acceleration from his Toyota Avalon and was able to drive the car to a nearby dealer with the vehicle still displaying wide open throttle, despite having the floormat removed. Dealer techs witnessed the problem and have reportedly offered to repair the vehicle free of charge.
According to a report from The Safety Record, on December 29, 2009, the driver of a 2007 Toyota Avalon experienced a bizarre case of sudden and unintended acceleration while driving on the highway, just miles from a local Toyota dealer. The driver managed to switch the vehicle between Neutral and Drive multiple times, while en route to the dealer in order to show the dealer the problem as it was still occurring.
The driver was able to reach the dealer, place the vehicle into neutral, and allow it to continue operating at wide open throttle. The dealer sent out a tech who verified that the floor mat was removed, and pushing the gas pedal had no effect on the acceleration. The dealer was unable to stop the wide open throttle and was forced to shut the vehicle off.
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Avro

#13

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

True, but you get my point.

#juan

#14

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

That doesn't help the guy who drove his Toyota to the dealership, with the engine roaring at full throttle, with NO floor mats in the car.

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I got my info from Toyota. Obviously there are other problems.

Risus

#15

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

Actually, no they didn't.

First, they blamed the floor mats.
Now they think they have a fix, but they still should reprogram the engine control module, so that if the brake is pushed while the engine speed is high, fuel should be cut off. Other car companies do this.

It was fairly badly handled, but it's certainly not as big of an issue as some make it out to be.

There was a report on CNN that there might be an electrical problem behind this problem and Toyota hasn't addressed the mainl issue.

#juan

#16

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

I have to say that I bought both Toyotas new and other than changing oil and tires, wiper blades etc, I haven't had a problem. I haven't had to change a light bulb on either car. I wouldn't hesitate to throw a suit case in either car and drive across the country.

PS My wife just told me I could wash them more often....

TenPenny

#17

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

I have to say that I bought both Toyotas new and other than changing oil and tires, wiper blades etc, I haven't had a problem. I haven't had to change a light bulb on either car. I wouldn't hesitate to throw a suit case in either car and drive across the country. My wife just told me I could wash them more often....

My wife would have a Toyota today, if the new Matrix had been built for short people. Instead she's driving a Forester. First non-Toyota for her since 1987.

#juan

#18

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

My wife would have a Toyota today, if the new Matrix had been built for short people. Instead she's driving a Forester. First non-Toyota for her since 1987.

That is funny. Jan and I have discussed getting a Subaru for the next car, mainly for the AWD.....Subaru doesn't make anything else so they should know how.

TenPenny

#19

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

That is funny. Jan and I have discussed getting a Subaru for the next car, mainly for the AWD.....Subaru doesn't make anything else so they should know how.

I've had a Subaru since 98 (now an Outback), and my wife got tired of me getting up our driveway in the snow, while she couldn't get her Corolla to get more than halfway up. So she thought about a Matrix, but couldn't get comfortable in it. Found a 1 year old Forester, and she's quite happy with it in the snow.

#juan

#20

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

I've had a Subaru since 98 (now an Outback), and my wife got tired of me getting up our driveway in the snow, while she couldn't get her Corolla to get more than halfway up. So she thought about a Matrix, but couldn't get comfortable in it. Found a 1 year old Forester, and she's quite happy with it in the snow.

We've both driven the Outback. I think the decision will be made on the weekend. The choice has ended up between the Outback and the Toyota RAV4. The Outback is a better highway vehicle. The RAV4 initially seemed cheaper but if you have all the same options they are pretty close.

JLM

#21

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 2nd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

That is funny. Jan and I have discussed getting a Subaru for the next car, mainly for the AWD.....Subaru doesn't make anything else so they should know how.

My sister has had a couple of them over a period of many years (she drives up ski hills a lot) and wouldn't own anything else.

Socrates the Greek

#22

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Feb 3rd, 2010

Many thanks to all,
TenPenni wise advise,,
"How does the accelerator feel when you use it - is it rough or sticky, or does it move smoothly?"

I actually gave the car to my boy as a present moving out of the house, he did great in University, graduated with top marks on the way to becoming a CA Certified accountant.
The kid drives long distances to see clients, which prompted me to install 4 Michelin snows in the tune of $1000 to make the car safer, lucky the gas pedal is smooth at 45000 miles. The shutting off the gas supply when stepping on the brake is a proven method, I personally want to see all car manufacturers apply that same technical Enovation on all motor vehicles.

Dexter Sinister

#23

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 3rd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

We've both driven the Outback. I think the decision will be made on the weekend. The choice has ended up between the Outback and the Toyota RAV4. The Outback is a better highway vehicle. The RAV4 initially seemed cheaper but if you have all the same options they are pretty close.

Well, for whatever this might be worth in your decision-making...

I had a 1993 Camry for years, since 1995 in fact (I rarely buy new cars, they lose a large fraction of their value as soon as you drive them off the dealer's lot, I think I've bought two in 40 years), and after 16 years it was showing its age a bit. It was running fine, nothing really wrong with it, and it had been very carefully maintained (I'm a bit obsessive about that), but no vehicle's going to be in showroom condition after 16 years in heavy use. Especially when you have teenage drivers. So last December my wife and I decided it was time to replace it while it was still worth something (about $4k), not coincidentally at the slowest time of year for car sales when all the local dealers have their big indoor sales in the buildings usually devoted to agricultural exhibitions. We looked carefully at pretty much everything from Toyota and Honda and Nissan and Subaru and Ford (GM and Chrysler I won't touch and European vendors like BMW are way overpriced), studied Consumer Reports and Phil Edmonston's Lemon Aid books, and ended up buying a lightly used RAV4. I don't really know what you mean by "The Outback is a better highway vehicle," the RAV4 seemed to me to offer better visibility to the driver, especially to the rear, and felt more solid to me than the Outback, which struck me as being a little light, low, and flimsy by comparison. We've had the RAV4 for only three weeks, but so far my impression of it is entirely consistent with the test drive, that it's an altogether excellent machine, smooth, quiet, comfortable, and powerful. . And the 4WD was great to have after the big honking blizzard we had here last week. I got what I thought was hopelessly stuck twice, but I clicked on the 4WD lock and powered out of it easily, even without winter tires on it.

TenPenny

#24

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Feb 3rd, 2010

I also buy 1 or 2 year old used cars, and the first thing I put on them is winter tires all round once November hits.

I thought about a RAV4, because we've had great luck with our Toyotas, but I found my 05 Outback for sale only 10 months old, so I pounced on it, and I've been happy with it so far. We tend to keep our cars for 7 years or more, but my wife ditched her 05 Corolla for the used Forester about 1.5 years ago, due to the driveway issue.

#juan

#25

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Feb 3rd, 2010

I've been a car nut for as long as I can remember. Reason doesn't alway play a big part. When I was a lot younger I drove a succession of British sports cars (4 or 5 of them) which indicates a strong Massochistic bent. Those cars were a tinkerer's dream, or nightmare, depending on your point of view.
Once I got married I thought I had to buy a more conservative vehicle. The car I selected was a Plymouth Valient with the "Slant six" engine. That car started to fall apart almost the day I bought it. I hated it. By this time Japanese cars were developing a fairly respectable reputation and I bought a Datsun 510. What a wonderful car. The car was reliable, economical, and fun to drive. When I say "fun to drive" I meant it had independant suspension all around it was rear wheel drive, and very precise steering. I had a reliable family car that handled like an MG.
Getting back to the RAV4 and the Outback. I thought the Outback was a better handling car than the Toyota. It seemed more solid on the road but my reasoning was totally subjective. It simply felt more comfortable at highway speeds. The RAV4, felt a bit like an SUV.(no kidding) It wasn't trucklike, but not as supple as the Outback. This is not meant to detract from either vehicle, merely personal preference.

countryboy

#26

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 3rd, 2010

It took a while, but Toyota's problems finally surfaced in Japan on the TV news last night. They apparently had a 15 minute segment on one of the networks over there about it...very bad publicity for Toyota on "home turf." Until just yesterday, it apparently was a non-issue.

Socrates the Greek

#27

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 3rd, 2010

Being in the car business for 34 years and having the blessing to have my own car lot for 15 years with 100 car inventory was fun.

Now retired, I look at the car issues many people are faced with and can’t help, reflecting back in the years and remember how many people would not do the research and would end up buying the wrong car, mechanically, monetarily, and safety.

I was always looking for value on the good old green paper back (the mighty dollar) and always found it on Japanese cars. Toyotas, Hondas, Nissans, and Mazda.

Sticking with Toyota since 1985 was a wise choice, also found the 81 to 88 year 4dr sedan 4 cyl GL Volvos stick shift or automatic to be a good solid ride, with good cage integrity in the event of a bad crash. Toyota like the other Japanese automakers, going back to 1970 to 1985-86 made good reliable, economical cars but they had a rust problem.

From late 1980 to 1990 Toyota started perfecting the rust problems.

The Camry was a perfect family car that was a 4 cyl 4 dr compact big inside economical and manageable out side for easy driving, parking, no hidden spots , you can see all corners of the car with out taking to long to make lane changes.

I still feel good about my son’s 2007 Camry, although I am on record on this thread in saying, “I don’t feel good about the car any more.” I steel do feel good making this choice, after realising that the gas pedal on my car feel easy during application.

I n my case I trade cars every 5 years by then the depreciation it is what it is, and buying a new car only them it makes sense.

I am about to up grade my wife’s car 2003 LE with leather Corolla and I will stay with Toyota. Her car we got it used with 60000 klm in 2007, since then oil, transmission oil change, brakes, and off Corse 4 brand new Michelins is the only expense. She loves the car…

89 91 years Toyota Camry 4 cylinder was an excellent car , I never had returns or issues with this model, an economical strong little workhorse sedan.

AnnaG

#28

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Feb 3rd, 2010

Shyte happens. A while back Dodge sent us a letter saying my ball joints on my Dakota were crap after 7 years of driving it and never having any steering problems. But, I thought it would be best to have Dodge replace them for free anyway.

JLM

#29

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 3rd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG

Shyte happens. A while back Dodge sent us a letter saying my ball joints on my Dakota were crap after 7 years of driving it and never having any steering problems. But, I thought it would be best to have Dodge replace them for free anyway.

I guess with this latest little bomb shell today, G.M. and Chrysler are in a state of exstacy. Hope it pans out for them and we can get our money back.

YukonJack

#30

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 3rd, 2010

Toyota has such an excellent reputation for proven quality, that this will be nothing more than a very slight bump on the road.

Certainly, it does not change my mind about Toyota. My wife's 2000 Corolla (45,000+ kms) and my 2002 Sienna (336,000+ kms) are the best - repair free, except for normal tear and wear - vehicles we ever owned.

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