Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

countryboy

#151

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 10th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

You're close, I first heard of transistors in 1957 (I was in grade 9) but being sort of a backwards sort of guy I bet they were out in '56.

Well, that all makes sense...if they were out in '56 in the rest of the world, the little town in southern Manitoba where I came from was likely 3 years behind, so once again, '59 would be the first time I would have heard of them!

Mind you, '58 was another big year in history. We must have spent months talking about the fact that the new car models for '58 had 4 headlights (quads) instead of 2. And when the big horizontal fins made their debut on the '59 Chevy, we were awestruck. The '59 Caddy took the award for the biggest fins ever, but I don't think I actually saw one until sometime in the 60s.

The only frustrating part of all these new innovations was that we had to wait months to see real live examples of these things...nobody could afford a new car in the old hometown, so we had to rely on magazine ads to "see" the big new changes!

Last edited by countryboy; Feb 10th, 2010 at 12:00 PM..

TenPenny

#152

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 10th, 2010

Oh, the 1959 thing again.

If you want to compare 1959 cars with 2009 cars, look at this video. Pay special attention to the driver and what happens inside the passenger compartment.

Tell me again that cars were better back then.

YouTube - Crash Test 1959 Chevrolet Bel Air VS 2009 Chevrolet Malibu Frontal Offset IIHS 50th Anniversary

countryboy

#153

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 10th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

Oh, the 1959 thing again.

If you want to compare 1959 cars with 2009 cars, look at this video. Pay special attention to the driver and what happens inside the passenger compartment.

Tell me again that cars were better back then.

YouTube - Crash Test 1959 Chevrolet Bel Air VS 2009 Chevrolet Malibu Frontal Offset IIHS 50th Anniversary

In my opinion, there were at least 2 ways the cars were better back...they were easier/cheaper to fix (DIY), and they didn't all look the same! It was the drivers that were better!

TenPenny

#154

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 10th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

.they were easier/cheaper to fix (DIY),

That's because you had to keep fixing them.

Nowadays, cars just don't break down very often.

Even flat tires are fairly rare now.
On hot summer days, how many cars do you see on the side of the road with steam pouring out from under the hood?

countryboy

#155

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 10th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

That's because you had to keep fixing them.

Nowadays, cars just don't break down very often.

Even flat tires are fairly rare now.
On hot summer days, how many cars do you see on the side of the road with steam pouring out from under the hood?

Not too many with the overheating problem, but I've seen quite a few with broken fuel pumps that just stop without warning, thus causing a tow job. The old mechanical ones just wore out gradually, giving you a chance to get it fixed before a tow job became necessary.

The same is true of some of the electronic gadgetry that is built into today's cars - like computers, it's wonderful when it's working, but when it "crashes" without warning, you are stuck. No limping into the repair shop then...another tow job.

I was younger in the good old days (weren't we all?) so naturally, all those memories are pretty rosy. Of course I recognize that, but hey, what's wrong with good memories, even if they "cloud" the real issues. No harm done, right?

And the cars today all look the same to me. I still prefer the individual looks and styles that cars had way back then, when all the designers didn't come from the same school, with the same ideas. Whatever happened to individualism?

GreenFish66

#156

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 10th, 2010

Judging by all these brake and other recently reported problems hitting the Auto industry LATEly .It would seem as though Vehicles are too dangerous and everyone should Take other safer,more reliable Transportation .Walking..

Toyota/Ford recall includes Some hybrids.....Sounds like a Good Ol' Made in America "Make work" project /solution for recession recovery ..

I sure hope this isn't another auto ploy to try again to halt the progress of New Clean/Green Cars...Like the games Some Big oil/Auto Leaders played in the 70's with all the Happy Hippies... Auto and Energy companies have had plenty of time to get with the times.This time they will fall even farther behind, and out of contention all together, if they don't move confidently forward on new Green/Clean technologies ...Some Like Toyota and Ford have more recently pushed positively forward, Introducing new alternatives for it's Drivers .Taking the high road to Sustainability /Quality/Innovation and Affordability.Hope others will do the same.

.It is Time for Real Change that get's positive results...No more Games ......The Green/Clean future will not wait any longer....It is time to balance the playing field ..Time for a Balanced energy plan that includes a fair playing ground for all who can see the Green Lime light ..For all who are striving forward Toward New Green/Clean sustainable technologies...
　

Risus

#157

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 10th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

Not too many with the overheating problem, but I've seen quite a few with broken fuel pumps that just stop without warning, thus causing a tow job. The old mechanical ones just wore out gradually, giving you a chance to get it fixed before a tow job became necessary.

The same is true of some of the electronic gadgetry that is built into today's cars - like computers, it's wonderful when it's working, but when it "crashes" without warning, you are stuck. No limping into the repair shop then...another tow job.

I was younger in the good old days (weren't we all?) so naturally, all those memories are pretty rosy. Of course I recognize that, but hey, what's wrong with good memories, even if they "cloud" the real issues. No harm done, right?

And the cars today all look the same to me. I still prefer the individual looks and styles that cars had way back then, when all the designers didn't come from the same school, with the same ideas. Whatever happened to individualism?

Back in 'THE' day, 'driveway mechanics' could get a car purring. Now a days you need to be a computer technician. No tinkering around adjusting the idle.

countryboy

#158

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 10th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Risus

Back in 'THE' day, 'driveway mechanics' could get a car purring. Now a days you need to be a computer technician. No tinkering around adjusting the idle.

AIn't it the truth. I think it's one of those "either it works great or not at all" things. Used to have a little Fiat 124 Spyder with triple carbs that was a weekend fun car...had to reset the carbs every time I took it for a jaunt in the country, but it was part of the "charm" of driving it. Never had to get it towed, even if it was running a bit rough on the way home. It always got me back, safe and sound.

Can't say that about a few of the new "computerized" cars I've had since then.

ironsides

#159

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 10th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

I was younger in the good old days (weren't we all?) so naturally, all those memories are pretty rosy. Of course I recognize that, but hey, what's wrong with good memories, even if they "cloud" the real issues. No harm done, right?

And the cars today all look the same to me. I still prefer the individual looks and styles that cars had way back then, when all the designers didn't come from the same school, with the same ideas. Whatever happened to individualism?

Cars were much more fun to drive back in 1959. Your right, they all look the same today (affordable cars that is). Even the NASCAR races back then meant something, they drove Plymouth's, Dodge's, Chevy's and Ford's all with their own types of motors, not like today where everything is the same, like clones.

Risus

#160

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 10th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides

Even the NASCAR races back then meant something, they drove Plymouth's, Dodge's, Chevy's and Ford's all with their own types of motors, not like today where everything is the same, like clones.

They even have Toyotas in NASCAR now...

lone wolf

#161

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 10th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

That's because you had to keep fixing them.

Nowadays, cars just don't break down very often.

Even flat tires are fairly rare now.
On hot summer days, how many cars do you see on the side of the road with steam pouring out from under the hood?

I tended to care more about a car I'd scuffed my knuckles on....

Risus

#162

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 10th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

I tended to care more about a car I'd scuffed my knuckles on....

I like your attitude!

TenPenny

#163

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Feb 12th, 2010

Interesting comparison on sales / vs complaints to NHTSA:

Socrates the Greek

#164

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Mar 15th, 2010

Why this Toyota Prius driver was not able to put his car in neutral to disengage the transmission?
It seems that his poor understanding of the neutral position on his shifter led him to panic, and lucky no one got killed………

Or maybe this was a deliberate credibility attack on Toyota.

Toyota has big problems to short out, in the billions of $$$$$$$$$$$ much like many other automakers, like Honda, and GM,

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TenPenny

#165

Re: Toyota owners affected by this 2010 recall.

Mar 15th, 2010

Interesting update:

A few days ago, James Sikes and his runaway Prius was all over news. Until we mentioned that something is fishy. Sikes’ driving skills were put in question. Stories about a wife swapping website emerged. Stories about bankruptcy. Stories about an unpaid lease on the Prius. And sundry other stories. Quickly, Sikes turned into Balloon Boy 2.0

Michael Fumento, director of the Independent Journalism Project, went on Neil Cavuto’s show on Fox Business and said: “It appears that everybody on planet earth suspected that there was something horribly wrong with this picture – except for the national media. The real hoax wasn’t James Sikes, it was in fact our press.”

On his own blog, Fumento fumed at the press: “To test his claim that he actually reached down and tried to pull the accelerator up but it wouldn’t budge I did something that apparently occurred to no other reporter in the country. I actually got in a 2008 Prius to see if it was physically possible to reach that far. I couldn’t get anywhere close. An orangutan could, but whatever Mr. Sikes is, that doesn’t seem to describe him.”

The real blame is on the press, says Fumento: “The red flags were popping up right from the beginning and the media ignored them because they wanted to ignore them. There’s a Toyota feeding frenzy going on and reporters just want their chunk.”

Well, now they dropped the video, and it looks like their editors sic them on Sikes.

The Wall Street Journal reports that “the investigation of the vehicle, carried out jointly by safety officials from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and Toyota engineers, didn’t find signs the brakes had been applied at full force at high speeds over a sustained period of time, the three people familiar with the investigation said.

The brakes were discolored and showed wear, but the pattern of friction suggested the driver had intermittently applied moderate pressure on the brakes, these people said, adding the investigation didn’t find indicators of the heavy pressure described by Mr. Sikes.”

As we vividly remember, ABC had led the “let’s burn Toyota on the stake” faction with the Gilbert video that subsequently turned out as a fake. Now, as the tide turns against Sikes, ABC goes with the flow: “A memo drafted for a congressional panel says the Toyota Prius involved in a California runaway car incident performed exactly as it is designed to in tests trying to replicate the situation…The memo says that each time the technician floored the gas pedal and hit the brake at the same time, the car shut off as it is designed to do.” ABC got ahold of Patty Sikes who complained that “the couple’s lives have been turned upside down and they are getting death threats.”

According to CBS News “a congressional spokesman said the finding casts doubt on the driver’s story.”

Looks like Sikes won’t testify.

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