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Auschwitz survivors mark camp's liberation

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WARSAW, Poland (AP) — Auschwitz survivors and state officials were gathering Tuesday to mark the 64th anniversary of the Nazi death camp's liberation as part of worldwide Holocaust remembrance ceremonies.
The yearly commemoration, in the depth of the Polish winter, marks the day the advancing Soviet army liberated the camp in 1945. The anniversary has been established as an annual Holocaust remembrance day by the United Nations.
More than 1 million people, mostly Jews, died in the camp's gas chambers or through forced labor, disease or starvation.
Tuesday's commemorations at Auschwitz include a wreath-laying ceremony and prayers at the foot of the former camp's main memorial, which stands between the twisted ruins of two crematoria.
Events elsewhere include a speech to the German parliament by President Horst Koehler and a ceremony at the former Sachsenhausen concentration camp outside Berlin.
As aging Holocaust survivors grow frailer and fewer in number, Auschwitz-Birkenau — established by the Nazis in occupied Poland — is in such a state of disrepair that its preservation is under threat.
The Polish state officials who oversee the camp say at least euro100 million ($130 million) is needed in the next 15 to 20 years to maintain the site — money that it has so far failed to raise from the international community.
Already, the museum has had to seal off crumbling barracks for fear that visitors could get injured. The remains of the former gas chambers and crematoria are also deteriorating due to the yearly cycle of freezing and thawing of the earth.
"These buildings weren't built to last," said Pawel Sawicki, a spokesman for the museum. "If we don't get the money, we'll have to close more and more buildings."
Germany on Monday praised Polish efforts to preserve the site and promised to help fund them. It did not cite a figure.
The museum, set up in 1947, received 12.7 million zlotys ($3.7 million) from the Polish government last year and earned about 13 million zlotys more by publishing survivor accounts, screening documentaries to visitors and from guide fees.
Private donations from abroad amount to only a small fraction of its income.
 
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[FONT=arial,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Jews are not responding to his claim asto why the gas chambers could not be gas chambers[/SIZE][/FONT]
I hope this one goes to trial.

Auschwitz Death Books 130,300 died at Auschwitz--but note German records are acurate when Jews want to use them in their favour but complete lies when it contradicts their position. $ million died errr ah well 1.5 million died mostly jews

Read this Fairy tale and just think how stupid it is--Leuchter operated and maintained USA Gas Chambers but he doesn't know what he is talking about




Auschwitz

All of the documents on this Web page were retrieved from the archives of Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium. The comments inside the square [ . . . ] brackets were written by Daniel Keren for the Shamash archives.


<A name=2>Report entitled "Resettlement of Jews" written by SS-SturmbannfŸhrer Gricksch for SS-Col. von Herff and ReichsfŸhrer-SS Himmler, after inspection of Auschwitz camp on 14-16 May 1943.
Hitler and the Final Solution - G. Fleming, University of California Press, 1984, p. 142-143:
<A name=3>The Auschwitz camp plays a special role in the resolution of the Jewish question. The most advanced methods permit the execution of the FŸhrer-order in the shortest possible time and without arousing much attention. The so-called "resettlement action" runs the following course: The Jews arrive in special trains (freight cars) toward evening and are driven on special tracks to areas of the camp specifically set aside for this purpose. There the Jews are unloaded and examined for their fitness to work by a team of doctors, in the presence of the camp commandant and several SS officers. At this point anyone who can somehow be incorporated into the work program is put in a special camp. The curably ill are sent straight to a medical camp and are restored to health through a special diet. The basic principle behind everything is: conserve all manpower for work. The previous type of "resettlement action" has been thoroughly rejected, since it is too costly to destroy precious work energy on a continual basis. <A name=4>The unfit go to cellars in a large house which are entered from outside. They go down five or six steps into a fairly long, well-constructed and well-ventilated cellar area, which is lined with benches to the left and right. It is brightly lit, and the benches are numbered. The prisoners are told that they are to be cleansed and disinfected for their new assignments. They must therefore completely undress to be bathed. To avoid panic and to prevent disturbances of any kind, they are instructed to arrange their clothing neatly under their respective numbers, so that they will be able to find their things again after their bath. Everything proceeds in a perfectly orderly fashion. Then they pass through a small corridor and enter a large cellar room which resembles a shower bath. In this room are three large pillars, into which certain materials can be lowered from outside the cellar room. When three- to four-hundred people have been herded into this room, the doors are shut, and containers filled with the substances are dropped down into the pillars. As soon as the containers touch the base of the pillars, they release particular substances that put the people to sleep in one minute. A few minutes later, the door opens on the other side, where the elevator is located. The hair of the corpses is cut off, and their teeth are extracted (gold-filled teeth) by specialists (Jews). It has been discovered that Jews were hiding pieces of Jewelry, gold, platinum etc., in hollow teeth. Then the corpses are loaded into elevators and brought up to the first floor, where ten large crematoria are located. (Because fresh corpses burn particularly well, only 50-100 lbs. of coke are needed for the whole process.) The job itself is performed by Jewish prisoners, who never step outside this camp again. <A name=5>The results of this "resettlement action" to date: 500,000 Jews. Current capacity of the "resettlement action" ovens: 10,000 in 24 hours



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Here is the Jewish reply >>6 million were murdered . Swallow it or we put you in jail. It is fact we don't need proof.

More BULL unearthed eagle smack you say--

False Archaeology at Auschwitz by Israel
An Associated Press article entitled "Jews' items unearthed from Nazi death camp" by Ryan Lucas and reprinted in the South Florida Sun Sentinal appeared on the Internet on November 25, 2005 athttp://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/sfl-adeathcamp25nov25,0,1406550.story?coll=sfla-news-nationworld. This misguided article purports to be a journalistic excursion into an archeological expedition by Israeli experts into hitherto overlooked portions of ground close to the Labor Camp for the manufacture of war materials at Lublin, Poland where the Jews still claim that 235,000 persons were executed in the second world war. The questionable conclusions in this article as well as the wailing tone of victimology which the reporter stresses throughout its paragraphs easily opens many elements in this unsupportable account to obvious critique.
 

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The Nazis themselves said that they only had 4.5 million Jews under their direct control and they would have, in 1941 at least, when that estimate was made, had no particular reason to lie.

This figure is of particular interest when it is considered that as of 1988, some 4.3 million claims for compensation had been filed against the West German government by Holocaust survivors, according to the Federal German government.

Despite this, estimates by non-Nazi sources of the numbers of victims of Nazi concentration camps has varied wildly from six million to 11 million, depending upon which source one cares to consult.
 

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I believe in what happened at those places. I've been there. I don't need to keep rehashing it over and over and over and over and over again.
 

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I believe in what happened at those places. I've been there. I don't need to keep rehashing it over and over and over and over and over again.
Then don't reply to the posts that bring it up. It would be unreasonable of you to demand the topic never ever be mentioned just because you have already made your mind up.
 

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Then don't reply to the posts that bring it up. It would be unreasonable of you to demand the topic never ever be mentioned just because you have already made your mind up.

I'm not asking that a topic never be brought up. I'm suggesting posts should stick to the topic of the thread on occasion. This thread was about Auschwitz remembrance ceremonies and its need for funding. It wasn't about whether or not the Holocaust happened. That topic should get its own thread. Many people on this forum seem so eager to discuss it, so it would surely be popular.
 

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If funding is low maybe people have lost interest and smaller ceremonies are in order, the tourists should be enough to do all funding.
 

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The Nazis themselves said that they only had 4.5 million Jews under their direct control and they would have, in 1941 at least, when that estimate was made, had no particular reason to lie.

This figure is of particular interest when it is considered that as of 1988, some 4.3 million claims for compensation had been filed against the West German government by Holocaust survivors, according to the Federal German government.

Despite this, estimates by non-Nazi sources of the numbers of victims of Nazi concentration camps has varied wildly from six million to 11 million, depending upon which source one cares to consult.

Idiots!

THINK!!!!!!!

In the spring of 1941, the Nazis only controled Germany and points west......they had yet to invade to the east.....they did not hold Poland Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania, Beloruss, etc etc etc etc.......

These are areas with a large concentration of Jews, at least they were before 1941.

Geezus! The fact you people don't have a ****ing clue doesn't even cause a moment's hesitation does it?

As for the Germans having reason to lie about the number of Jews under their control, that is idiotic as well: the Germans were, at this point, just arriving at the idea of a "Final Solution".....playing down the numbers would certainly be to their advantage.

Funny. Einsmench and MHZ, the two that most want Hamas to have free reign to murder Jews are also the two that ignore every bit of reputable historical research in a mad desire to deny that Jews were murdered in Europe.

Coincidence?

Or simply Jew-haters.

Seems obvious to me.
 
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Jew haters Colpy-you are really losing it. Cole was born a Jew. Leuchter was born a Jew. The lies you support are being exposed. You look foolish. But I love your personal attacks as they demonstrate that you have nothing to counter the truth. So when you use "Idiot" look in the mirror. It is unfortunate that you are unable think or respond in an intelligent manner.
Just think a German Pope has the nerve -Drag him to court --Inciting Hatred --can't wait for the trials! I expect that you and yours just want to sweep it under the carpet. You did watch Part1 and part 2 but just too much for you to comprehend?

Quote from Colpy>>Funny. Einsmench and MHZ, the two that most want Hamas to have free reign to murder Jews are also the two that ignore every bit of reputable historical research in a mad desire to deny that Jews were murdered in Europe.

Coincidence?

Or simply Jew-haters.

Seems obvious to me.
Jews were murdered in Europe so were Germans, Poles etc ..Palestinians are being murdered now and so are jews. Not Many Jews but some Jews are being murdered mostly when they attack other countries.
Your words are reputable? You joking!--I don't see any sources Colpy.
Tracy, if someone has been lying to you for over 60 years perhaps one should find the truth. Why should the Germans, Hungarians,Austrians etc. accept such a lie as unquestionable truth.
 

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Jew haters Colpy-you are really losing it. Cole was born a Jew. Leuchter was born a Jew. The lies you support are being exposed. You look foolish. But I love your personal attacks as they demonstrate that you have nothing to counter the truth. So when you use "Idiot" look in the mirror. It is unfortunate that you are unable think or respond in an intelligent manner.
Just think a German Pope has the nerve -Drag him to court --Inciting Hatred --can't wait for the trials! I expect that you and yours just want to sweep it under the carpet. You did watch Part1 and part 2 but just too much for you to comprehend?

Quote from Colpy>>Funny. Einsmench and MHZ, the two that most want Hamas to have free reign to murder Jews are also the two that ignore every bit of reputable historical research in a mad desire to deny that Jews were murdered in Europe.

Coincidence?

Or simply Jew-haters.

Seems obvious to me.
Jews were murdered in Europe so were Germans, Poles etc ..Palestinians are being murdered now and so are jews. Not Many Jews but some Jews are being murdered mostly when they attack other countries.
Your words are reputable? You joking!--I don't see any sources Colpy.
Tracy, if someone has been lying to you for over 60 years perhaps one should find the truth. Why should the Germans, Hungarians,Austrians etc. accept such a lie as unquestionable truth.

That's where your narrow scope gets in the way of a big picture. The Holocaust is open to question. I have no doubt there has been a lot of exaggeration. When it's all one has for a national legacy, they have to paint it big bold and bright - even to the point of glorifying it. The fact it happened is beyond doubt. Truth is always open to question. It is lies that don't stand up to scrutiny.
 

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"About 6 million Jews were systematically murdered by the Nazis and their collaborators during World War II. Many were gassed in death camps while others were killed en masse in other ways, including shooting and starvation. About 240,000 Holocaust survivors live in Israel."
Cute looks like the article neglected to mention that most Jews don't want to go to Israel since 4.3 Jewish Holocaust survivors claimed compensation from the German government.

Next time you are in a field Tracy and he tells you that it is a chocolate cookie --smell it before you swallow.
 

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Whatever did happen was no doubt horrible but suspicion is absolutely warranted on any topic it is illegal to talk about. Just the fact the topic is illegal makes it suspect.

What possible purpose could there be in making it illegal? If it is true then produce the records and that's the end of it. So why the smoke and mirrors then? Qui bono?

BTW, I don't know the answer but would like to. I can only accept an answer derived at through frank and open discussion not coerced by legal dictate.

Anyone who feigns outrage that someone would question is a moron. I was never there and don't know - and neither were you. All I do know is that no one can ask questions - so until the issue can be discussed in a reasonable manner I will continue to hold a position of some doubt about the actual real number of victims.
 
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Colpy-If the 6 million, the gassings are true why is a law needed to stop scientific inquiery? You yourself have called me a Holocaust denier, a Jew hater an anti-semite a Nazi--Now you come across with I have no objection to questioning--You hypocrite!

No comment on all that mis-information in
It took 18 minutes before a gas executed crimminal was pronounced dead. One can hold one's breath for three minutes, just open the doors and drag the dead out what a joke-as they all fall dead-You follow this curricuulum -faithfully-AwhaW!
 

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Scott -NO Jews gassed in Germany --only in Russian controlled areas
USA stated Jews gassed at Dachau-admitted lie
do some reading and the Jewish virtual library should only be part--
Auschwitz deathbooks are lies?
 

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Wolf -My narrow scope-help me out with that one? Were Jews gassed or not?
The Holocaust is not open to question-Wolf-Numerous people are in prison for questioning--Sort of like the Jewish inquisition.Perhaps you have something to add rather thay babble about your broad vision.
 

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I have absolutely no idea about the details einmensch. All I know is that the allies and in particular Russia had too much to gain by means of propaganda regarding the Jews. This is true in your case too.

What I would like to see is a full scale independent finding. Does anything like that exist?
 

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Wolf -My narrow scope-help me out with that one? Were Jews gassed or not?
The Holocaust is not open to question-Wolf-Numerous people are in prison for questioning--Sort of like the Jewish inquisition.Perhaps you have something to add rather thay babble about your broad vision.

Why don't you spout you narrow minded hate elsewhere?

Were you there? Why should anyone take the word of a know it all who doesn't know? I wasn't there so I couldn't tell you with any certainty how they died. I will take the word of a great uncle who bulldozed stick-thin bodies into a mass grave following the liberation of a camp on German soil that they died at the hands of Nazis. Please point out any place in this Internet where I claim to know the cause(s) of their deaths.

Babble? That's just about any one of your posts....
 
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Idiots!

THINK!!!!!!!

In the spring of 1941, the Nazis only controled Germany and points west......they had yet to invade to the east.....they did not hold Poland Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania, Beloruss, etc etc etc etc.......

These are areas with a large concentration of Jews, at least they were before 1941.

Geezus! The fact you people don't have a ****ing clue doesn't even cause a moment's hesitation does it?

As for the Germans having reason to lie about the number of Jews under their control, that is idiotic as well: the Germans were, at this point, just arriving at the idea of a "Final Solution".....playing down the numbers would certainly be to their advantage.

Funny. Einsmench and MHZ, the two that most want Hamas to have free reign to murder Jews are also the two that ignore every bit of reputable historical research in a mad desire to deny that Jews were murdered in Europe.

Coincidence?

Or simply Jew-haters.

Seems obvious to me.

Most of what passes for reputable history isn't. Mad desires are easily found in your perceptions of what reputable history might be. You got "murder Jews" "Jew haters" "idiots" "final solution" Jews were murdered in Europe" all in one short but stupid post. I think you're in for bonus points there Colpy.