Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

#juan

#1Dec 2nd, 2008

I just stumbled onto this site. I have been an airplane nut since I was a rug rat. Some of these Russian aircraft look like they came out of a Buck Rogers movie.

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#juan

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 2nd, 2008

This one is interesting.

hermanntrude

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 2nd, 2008

fascinating stuff Juan.

I'm interested in the ground-effect hydroplane in the background of one of the pictures... do you know anything about it?

#juan

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 2nd, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrude

fascinating stuff Juan.

I'm interested in the ground-effect hydroplane in the background of one of the pictures... do you know anything about it?

I don't know much about this craft but it sure is ugly.

Socrates the Greek

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 2nd, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

I just stumbled onto this site. I have been an airplane nut since I was a rug rat. Some of these Russian aircraft look like they came out of a Buck Rogers movie.

Google Image Result for http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/Museums/Monino/Highlights/SukhoiS26SkiPlane2.jpg

Great site juan, and good day to you,
Russky machinery is big; interesting how the era of bigger being better is coming to a halt.

scratch

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 2nd, 2008

They used to blow everything out of the sky and do major damage on the ground. Now it's all speed and strangely enough about dog-fights.

scth

#juan

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 2nd, 2008

In early 1970s in Russia there were tests of trains that had jet plane engines.
Its maximum speed was around 249 km/h (around 180 mph). And it had engines from Yak-40 passenger jet plane.
Later they decided to put the engines from another Russian jet plane TU-134 to the passenger boat. So it could go as fast as 100 km/h (60 mph) on water when carrying passengers!

It’s a big pity but none of those are in use these days.

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hermanntrude

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 2nd, 2008

the russians have always had some very good scientists and particularly good technology as well... they've done impressive things. And of course let us not forget Dmitri Mendeleev, father of chemistry <makes sign of the cross>

Socrates the Greek

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 2nd, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by scratch

They used to blow everything out of the sky and do major damage on the ground. Now it's all speed and strangely enough about dog-fights.

scth

I remember watching the dog fights between the Americans and the Japanese war movies and thought what a wiled way to make a statement of superiority....flying the plane on a Japanese comacazy mission.

#juan

#10

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 2nd, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrude

the russians have always had some very good scientists and particularly good technology as well... they've done impressive things. And of course let us not forget Dmitri Mendeleev, father of chemistry <makes sign of the cross>

Oh, that Dmitri Mendeleev.

bobnoorduyn

#11

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 2nd, 2008

Cool site, they say a camel is a horse designed by committee, some of these aircraft, especially the helicopters could fit a similar description. I often wonder what the designers were thinking when they came up with some of them.

hermanntrude

#12

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 2nd, 2008

i think they were thinking "how could i make a plane that'd look REALLY AWESOME?"

Spade

#13

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 2nd, 2008

Mi-28 Havoc

Nice if you want snow blown off your driveway!

#juan

#14

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 2nd, 2008

This helicopter was one of the most impressive. It could lift a forty ton payload and take it 600 km.

bobnoorduyn

#15

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 2nd, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by Spade

Mi-28 Havoc

Nice if you want snow blown off your driveway!

Better yet for keeping your neighbours in line

bobnoorduyn

#16

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 2nd, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrude

i think they were thinking "how could i make a plane that'd look REALLY AWESOME?"

Some of them, absolutely, but others, hmmmmm.

#juan

#17

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 3rd, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

This helicopter was one of the most impressive. It could lift a forty ton payload and take it 600 km.

Something I had forgotten about wing mounted rotors on helicopters; The loss of an engine on either side, and the resultant loss of control, is probably not survivable.

bobnoorduyn

#18

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 3rd, 2008

Something I had forgotten about wing mounted rotors on helicopters; The loss of an engine on either side, and the resultant loss of control, is probably not survivable.

Juan; I'm not sure if the rotors are connected by a common or secondary drive system or not. Failing that it looks like each rotor is powered by 2 engines, a total loss of power on one side would require the pilot to reduce the power on the other to maintain control and autorotate to a forced landing. I would hope the took any eventuality into consideration. But it is still quite an impressive beast.

bobnoorduyn

#19

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 3rd, 2008

This beast has both proprotors interconnected to provide power and control in the even of an engine failure on either side. They fly over my house and shake the windows too. Damn irritating.

#juan

#20

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 3rd, 2008

There seems to be a fair distance as well as a dihedral angle between the wings that might be hard to cross with a drive shaft. Without a connecting drive shaft a complete loss of power on one side would be a disaster.

Btw, is the airplane in your avatar a Norseman?

bobnoorduyn

#21

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 3rd, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

There seems to be a fair distance as well as a dihedral angle between the wings that might be hard to cross with a drive shaft. Without a connecting drive shaft a complete loss of power on one side would be a disaster.

Btw, is the airplane in your avatar a Norseman?

I would imagine that like any helicopter, the loss of power would require immediate and deliberate action to initiate autorotation without a substantial reduction of rotor RPM. Without a common drive system this helicopter should be still controllable with a total loss of power on one side provided power is immediately reduced on the other. Of course a power loss at low altitude or in a hover requires a lot of skill to make a landing successful, I'll bet even more so for this helicopter.

And BTW, yes it is, built in 1943 I believe, and now apparently sitting on a pedestal in Thompson MB.

#juan

#22

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 3rd, 2008

I haven't seen a Norseman in years.

Did you notice the Russian built B-29 and a couple spin-offs. I haven't seen the Bear and the B-29 side by side but I suspect that they are related. I was in the RCAF in the late fifties and early sixties and in Europe we used to intercept Bears all the time and they are still using them.

bobnoorduyn

#23

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 3rd, 2008

I haven't seen a Norseman in years

Number juan; Heh heh ( I get it), anyway neither have I. I tried to buy that airplane while it was in pieces after an accident, the owner hemmed and hawed but didn't sell. He fixed it because he wanted to fly it, he never did, I flew it for the next two years, BTW that is me leaning out the door back when I had hair, and it wasn't even white yet. Apparently it was wrecked again and restored to at least a condition where it could be displayed.

I noticed the B-29, but I thought it was a B-29. I also noticed a Dak in the backgound of another photo.

The Bear is quite impressive for a turboprop, I understand it has a speed of M.82, I don't know if that is MMO or it's cruise speed. That's close to or better than many commercial jet transports.

And faster than I've ever gone, or ever will

hermanntrude

#24

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 3rd, 2008

do u live in thompson, bob? I know a couple who live up there... one of them is a pilot

#juan

#25

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 4th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by bobnoorduyn

I haven't seen a Norseman in years

Number juan; Heh heh ( I get it), anyway neither have I. I tried to buy that airplane while it was in pieces after an accident, the owner hemmed and hawed but didn't sell. He fixed it because he wanted to fly it, he never did, I flew it for the next two years, BTW that is me leaning out the door back when I had hair, and it wasn't even white yet. Apparently it was wrecked again and restored to at least a condition where it could be displayed.

I noticed the B-29, but I thought it was a B-29. I also noticed a Dak in the backgound of another photo.

The Bear is quite impressive for a turboprop, I understand it has a speed of M.82, I don't know if that is MMO or it's cruise speed. That's close to or better than many commercial jet transports. And faster than I've ever gone, or ever will

Back in the fifties there was a Norseman operating out of Fraser Lake.(northern B.C.) That is the only one I've ever seen.

I will assume the Dak is a Dak. I wouldn't think they would reverse engineer an aircraft built in the thirties.

bobnoorduyn

#26

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 4th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrude

do u live in thompson, bob? I know a couple who live up there... one of them is a pilot

No I don't, I've been there more times than I can count but never ventured off the airport property.

#juan

#27

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 5th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by bobnoorduyn

The Bear is quite impressive for a turboprop, I understand it has a speed of M.82, I don't know if that is MMO or it's cruise speed. That's close to or better than many commercial jet transports. And faster than I've ever gone, or ever will

Yeah that is well over 600mph at sea level. A 747 might be marginally faster.

Did you fly in the Air Force?

Trex

#28

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 5th, 2008

Cool thread,

Love that weird Soviet stuff.

Slightly off topic but hey,

I flew a lot with old ex -Afghanistan, ex- Soviet pilots,
Mi6, Mi8, Mi10's I think.
Doors open, windows open, crap blowing all over, big rubber bladder full of jetB
sloshing around on the floor.

Pilots and engineers in no shirts, shorts and flip flops.

Seriously rugged guys.
Couldn't give a hoot about anything.

Excellent pilots in my opinion.

Be a mistake to tangle with them,
but again just my opinion.

Trex

#juan

#29

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 6th, 2008

This is an interesting aircraft. The Yak38 "Forger". It is a VTOL airplane like the Harrier. Note the massive undercarriage. Looks almost like they expected a few hard landings. It has three engines. A further indication of the aircraft's age is the tiny little radar dome on the nose. Today it would be the largest diameter of the nose......To better see your opponents before they see you.

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bobnoorduyn

#30

Re: Anybody like really different Russian aircraft...

Dec 6th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

Yeah that is well over 600mph at sea level. A 747 might be marginally faster.

Did you fly in the Air Force?

Nope, tried to but didn't have the education and recruiting standards at the time were strict. Although if offered a mercenary jet job, I would certainly consider it. All my experience is civilian, and my fastest jet was M.78.

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