Seriously, Do any of you seriously believe this stuff?


Praxius
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I just popped on like I normally do through time, and what do I see in the forums these days?

• -- (When we're all supposed to die)

• -- (The Poles reversing and suddenly killing us all)

• -- (Astroid coming to smack a few of us into the afterlife.)

• -- (Explains itself.)

And then there's the whole "Global Warming" Booga booga story we all know, where we're supposed to all run out of water, dry right up like deserts, yet at the same time flood all over the place, run out of food and then we all Die! Because we were ignorant, dirty pigs.

Somewhere around 2015-2030 or is it 2030-2050? I can't remember which one we're still on now.

Oh! And don't forget about World War III and the Nuclear Holocaust and billions being killed or mutated into cockroach-monkey people in the next 5 to 10 years.

And apparently Terminator's Judgement Day was delayed and we can't change fate in that scenario, so that one's still up for grabs until they run out of movies to explain why it hasn't happened yet.
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So my point is, is that there's all these predictions, which all have their valid points.... well... more or less. If they were all actually real, based on the evidence presented and understood by ourselves as humans, there's only a few final conclusions one person can come to:

All of these will occur, because the Universe or your God is royally pissed and hates the hell out of us some'n fierce, and therefore, we're totally screwed..... and thus..... why worry anyways? You're only gonna live once apparently and it's gonna be short.

Or

Not all of those can occur all around the same time, because after so many eons, the likes of all of that happening all at once has never occured in any known records or stories, therefore one or more are wrong.

So which side makes more sense?

If you choose the Blue Pill, then there's no point continuing to read any of this and you should go live up your life while you can..... GO GO..... Go now before you run out of food, run out of water, all your land dries up, then your land is flooded by the oceans and while you wait in the water to drown, the sun gives you cancer of the brain from your massive sun burn...... but before you die, there will be a nuclear war and you will also get radiation poisoning as you're blasted back onto some deserted island..... followed by the poles suddenly reversing and flinging your burnt arse out into space and then finally before your head emplodes, the rapture occurs and you're sent to hell!!!!!!

RUN! TURN OFF THE COMPUTER AND GO DOWNTOWN TO SL*T IT UP REAL GOOD!!

Ok, now if you chose the Red Pill, then we can continue the discussion and debate as to which ones could be possibly real and which ones are never going to happen..... And then we'll take bets and see who's right!

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And this isn't really about debating each and every single one of them from what has already been said in those other threads.... I don't want to condense several threads in one, that'll sorta suck. What I want to focus on are the close proximity of dates and if it's logically possible that they would all occur (Or Most) all in that short period of time.
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quandary121
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All are homing in on the same point in time, so surly something's gonna happen ,nostradamus predicted ,the Mayans predicted, you missed out planet x, in this equation, and the fact that the sun could explode, too many theories and doom prophecy's ,admitedly but do they all not point to a certain date around 2012 ..? this should be concidered .!
 
Risus
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Nope, I don't believe that crap.
 
quandary121
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3. Fractal time and the I Ching10,000 years ago humans began domesticating plants and animals.
500 years ago we invented the printing press.
100 years ago we began driving automobiles.
50 years ago we invented the computer.
30 years ago we landed on the moon.
The speed of change is rapid. Population, computing power, speed of transport, the sheer amount of known information, and most other things that involve humans, are all increasing at an accelerating rate. The rate at which they are increasing is increasing. We are all part of it, with younger people thinking nothing of it, and the elderly commenting on it, but generally handling it okay. But if we were to transport King Arthur to modern-day New York he'd most probably pass out from trying to grasp what was happening. But can it stop, slow down or reverse. No, for that is not in our nature.
Things will keep changing at a faster rate. Every 18 months the power of computers double. Soon they will be smarter than us, and we are already on the verge of cloning humans and close to using nanotechnology to create atomic size mini-machines. Maybe there will come a time when the rate of change will reach such a speed that change is all...

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quandary121
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The Year 2012 News, speculation, and prophecy about the year 2012 and related topics
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THE YEAR 2012 is a stream of information collected from various sources, mixed with explanation, commentary, and opinion. Much of this material is often ignored by the mass media for its "far out" and "conspiratorial" nature, but that does not mean that it is not important.
 
Risus
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Why do people believe this crap???
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by RisusView Post

Why do people believe this crap???

Stupidity.
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post

• thoughts on 2012 and the Mayn Calendar (When we're all supposed to die)
• Pole Shift & Pole Reversal in 2012 (The Poles reversing and suddenly killing us all)
• Think we'll be around in about 30 yrs? (Astroid coming to smack a few of us into the afterlife.)
• THE RAPTURE, COULD BE COMING AROUND JUNE 25th (Explains itself.)
And then there's the whole "Global Warming" Booga booga story we all know, where we're supposed to all run out of water, dry right up like deserts, yet at the same time flood all over the place, run out of food and then we all Die! Because we were ignorant, dirty pigs.

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What about the bird flu? Ya gotta believe in that.
 
quandary121
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Quote: Originally Posted by RisusView Post

Why do people believe this crap???

you keep saying its crap, wheres your proof.??? ,are you wiser than the people who made these assumptions, or famous because you know more about it then anyone else ,or is it because you think I'm a rational human being, and rational human beings would not believe in this ,don't forget they said Noah WAS A CONSPRICY NUT JOB TOO
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    So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.
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quandary121
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Stupidity.

what yours.?????
 
Risus
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Quote: Originally Posted by quandary121View Post

you keep saying its crap, wheres your proof.??? ,are you wiser than the people who made these assumptions, or famous because you know more about it then anyone else ,or is it because you think I'm a rational human being, and rational human beings would not believe in this ,don't forget they said Noah WAS A CONSPRICY NUT JOB TOO

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    So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.
    -- (in Context) -- (Whole Chapter)

How did Noah get involved in this????
 
quandary121
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How did Noah get involved in this????

Another person who was called a nut job because of his end of world prophecy's, its not that hard to work out surly Risus,were talking whether doom prophecy's are worth listening too arnit we...?????

 
lone wolf
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Scientists and Clergy both thought Cristopher Columbus was daffy....

Woof!
 
quandary121
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Scientists and Clergy both thought Cristopher Columbus was daffy....

Woof!

WELL SAID

 
TehranTim
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Well...I mean...I do. You left out the I Ching, that predicted the world ending in 2012 too.
 
Risus
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Well...I mean...I do. You left out the I Ching, that predicted the world ending in 2012 too.

Seems to me I read that it was to happen last month. Oh well, sooner or later someone might get it right...
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post

I just popped on like I normally do through time, and what do I see in the forums these days?

• -- (When we're all supposed to die)

• -- (The Poles reversing and suddenly killing us all)

• -- (Astroid coming to smack a few of us into the afterlife.)

• -- (Explains itself.)

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lmao
For my part, it was on purpose. I heard of lots of threats about comets n whatnot and this was the first time I heard of this one. I researched it and found that it'd be a near miracle if it did hit us. But, I thought I'd stir the pot a little and get the doomsday folks going again. I was just playing. Sorry. I promise I will be nothing but the epitomy of seriousness from now on.
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If you believe that last sentence, can I sell you a nice orange bridge near here?
 
lone wolf
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Belief is relative. I wouldn't worry over it because I'm not going to stop an asteroid from bumping into Earth, nor am I going to be able to halt tides. Hell ... we all gotta go sometime.
 
Praxius
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Quote: Originally Posted by RisusView Post

Why do people believe this crap???


Hey! I got a Question for you..... Why are you still here?

Didn't you just say: "Nope, I don't believe that crap."

That's all we need, thanks.... now you're wasting precious time... you should be Ga'Diggy'a'dinging your Shlobloing'n..
....not wasting your time reading things you don't believe in..... remember, you took the Blue Pill.
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Just the Facts
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Nope. If the Mayan's were still around they'd have the next edition of their calendar out by now.
 
Praxius
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But one thing I find is the reason why I posted this, is that my parents and grandparents told me that people used to say all the same thing about the turn of 1900 and 1950... in fact, every turn of a century, there have been predictions that just wern't up to snuff, or never turned out as drastic at everyone feared..... then once they were gone, suddenly there were these other predictions of the end of time from the same books and theories that apparently they have been talking about forever.....

.... oh but those last freak outs were just some crazy wacos who didn't know better... these are accurate prophicies or scientific concepts..... they have to be real.
 
L Gilbert
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Who wastes time reading things they don't believe in? lol
I read the Bible a couple times. I like the song about Santra Claus coming to town. Perhaps you think it's "wasting time", I don't.
In the very least there is usually a good chuckle here and there through the stuff. Is that a waste?
 
dj03
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The asteroid "Apophis" represents a potential threat to the planet depending on where it passes us on April 13, 2029 (that would be a Friday, just to give some posters the willies).

At the present time it does not appear to represent a threat to the earth in 2029 but it is expected to pass within the orbits of geosynchronous satellites (around 29,000 kms). The current impact threat in 2029 is 0.004%. Don't worry, its angle of approach won't see it hit any satellites.

The unknown factor this far out is how the earth's gravity in 2029 will impact the asteroids trajectory making an accurate prediction of where the asteroid will be on April 13, 2036 uncertain (don't worry it's not a Friday this time...but it is Easter Sunday!!!).

It is anticipated that new calculations in 2011 and 2013 will see Apophis pass us at around 49 million kms in 2036.

If it did hit the earth it could cause substantial devastation for a thousands of square kilometres but it wouldn't cause a global apocalypse.
 
L Gilbert
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I read that, too. As I said, I was simply poking the doomsday people into activity to get another chuckle at their expense.
By the way, whoever said, "but do they not all point to the year 2012?" is mistaken.Apophis was supposed to be around here at about 2029, not 2012.
 
Walter
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what yours.?????

Yes.
 
Praxius
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Who wastes time reading things they don't believe in? lol
I read the Bible a couple times. I like the song about Santra Claus coming to town. Perhaps you think it's "wasting time", I don't.
In the very least there is usually a good chuckle here and there through the stuff. Is that a waste?

If the pictures and how I worded things didn't clear it up..... The Blue Pill will be a continuing joke in this thread.... I don't really care.
 
Praxius
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Quote: Originally Posted by dj03View Post

The asteroid "Apophis" represents a potential threat to the planet depending on where it passes us on April 13, 2029 (that would be a Friday, just to give some posters the willies).

At the present time it does not appear to represent a threat to the earth in 2029 but it is expected to pass within the orbits of geosynchronous satellites (around 29,000 kms). The current impact threat in 2029 is 0.004%. Don't worry, its angle of approach won't see it hit any satellites.

The unknown factor this far out is how the earth's gravity in 2029 will impact the asteroids trajectory making an accurate prediction of where the asteroid will be on April 13, 2036 uncertain (don't worry it's not a Friday this time...but it is Easter Sunday!!!).

It is anticipated that new calculations in 2011 and 2013 will see Apophis pass us at around 49 million kms in 2036.

If it did hit the earth it could cause substantial devastation for a thousands of square kilometres but it wouldn't cause a global apocalypse.

Yeah, but between here and there, then and now, why is it that only our gravitational pull is being calculated? Wouldn't one think that there could be countless other factors that can and will occur in the next 28 or so years between where it is, and where it will or might or might not be?

What about other unseen gravitational pulls from things we haven't visually discovered yet? What about other Astroids or things in space moving along on their own paths? Deflections due to impacts or one object having a greater mass and greater gravitational pull coming near could also have an effect.

But then again, the majority of the planet is more Ocean then land mass, so there's a much greater chance for it smacking into an ocean, causing quite the tidal wave.

then again, I'll be 56 years old by then..... that's long enough for me.
 
Praxius
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Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

I read that, too. As I said, I was simply poking the doomsday people into activity to get another chuckle at their expense.
By the way, whoever said, "but do they not all point to the year 2012?" is mistaken.Apophis was supposed to be around here at about 2029, not 2012.

Yeah, I was talking about how all of this is supposed to hit us within the next 50 or so years.

Personally, I think we stand a greater chance at causing our own distruction, then we do from something natural..... one would think concentration on reducing our own chances of killing ourselves off, then worry about other things we have no control over.
 
quandary121
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ALL ABOUT 2012
THE MAYAN CALENDAR DOES NOT END IN 2012
KEEP READING!!!
The date December 21st, 2012 A.D. (13.0.0.0.0 in the Long Count), represents an extremely close conjunction of the Winter Solstice Sun with the crossing point of the Galactic Equator (Equator of the Milky Way) and the Ecliptic (path of the Sun), what that ancient Maya recognized as the Sacred Tree. This is an event that has been coming to
resonance very slowly over thousands and thousands of years. It will come to resolution at exactly 11:11 am GMT.

The -- is a 260-day calendar based around the period of human gestation. It is composed of --, each of which has 13 variations, and was (and still is) used to determine character traits and time harmonics, in a similar way to Western astrology. The Maya also used a 365-day calendar called the --, plus others. They measured long time periods by means of a Long Count, in which one 360-day year (a "Tun"), consists of 18 x 20-day "months" ("Uinals"). Twenty of these Tuns is a Katun; 20 Katuns is a Baktun (nearly 400 years); and 13 Baktuns adds up to a "Great Cycle" of 1,872,000 days, ( 5200 Tuns, or about 5125 years).

Mayan scholars have been attempting to correlate the Long Count with our Western Gregorian calendar, since the beginning of this century. There has been massive variation in the --, but as early as 1905, Goodman suggested a correlation only 3 days from the most popular one today. Known as the --, or "correlation # 584283", this was finalized in 1950, and puts the start of the Great Cycle ( day 0.0.0.0.0) on -- 3114 BC, and the end-date (known as 13.0.0.0.0.) as --.
Jose Arguelles has pointed out that the Tzolkin is a harmonic of the Great Cycle, and can be used to map history, as if it is measuring not individual gestation but species gestation, since 5 Great Cycles add to exactly 26,000 Tuns; the "Grand Year" or precession of the equinoxes - a higher harmonic of 260.
NOTE: The astronomer Philip Plait has stated very clearly that the Mayan calendar does not end in 2012 at all, that it is like the odometer on your car, as each section of the odometer reaches 9 and then clicks over to 0, the next number to it starts a new cycle, so that when all the numbers again reach 0 all the way across the odometer - the last number will change from 1 to 2 and the new cycle starts all over again.
See: --
Sunspot Cycles;-- and --, in -- the --, say that the end of the Great Cycle is the culmination of a series of long-term -- which will flip the sun’s magnetic field, causing earthquakes and flooding on earth. Moreover, the changing magnetic field will alter the endocrine production of the pineal gland. John Major Jenkins has pointed out that the detailed graphs of the cycles do not actually show significant termination points at the end of the Great Cycle; --.

According to John Major Jenkins, it will take 36 years to precess through the Galactic equator. The Galactic Alignment "zone" is
1998 +/- 18 years = 1980 to 2016.
This is "era 2012"

[So why are we worried?]
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Generally speaking, scientifically accepted records of -- do seem to be -- in the near future.
From: --
Note: Real science is predicting the next/current sun cycle to be the worst in 50 years. The first two sunspot's of 2006 are moving in reverse direction.
August 15, 2006: On July 31st, a tiny sunspot was born. It popped up from the sun's interior, floated around a bit, and vanished again in a few hours. On the sun this sort of thing happens all the time and, ordinarily, it wouldn't be worth mentioning. But this sunspot was special: It was backward."We've been waiting for this," says David Hathaway, a solar physicist at the Marshall Space Flight in Huntsville, Alabama. "A backward sunspot is a sign that the next solar cycle is beginning."
Right: The tiny, backward sunspot of July 31, 2006. Credit: SOHO. [Larger image]
"Backward" means magnetically backward. Hathaway explains:
Sunspots are planet-sized magnets created by the sun's inner magnetic dynamo. Like all magnets in the Universe, sunspots have north (N) and south (S) magnetic poles. The sunspot of July 31st popped up at solar longitude 65o W, latitude 13o S. Sunspots in that area are normally oriented N-S. The newcomer, however, was S-N, opposite the norm.
This tiny spot of backwardness matters because of what it might foretell: A really big solar cycle. Solar activity rises and falls in 11-year cycles, swinging back and forth between times of quiet and storminess. Right now the sun is quiet. "We're near the end of Solar Cycle 23, which peaked way back in 2001," explains Hathaway. The next cycle, Solar Cycle 24, should begin "any time now," returning the sun to a stormy state.
Satellite operators and NASA mission planners are bracing for this next solar cycle because it is expected to be exceptionally stormy, perhaps the stormiest in decades. Sunspots and solar flares will return in abundance, producing bright auroras on Earth and dangerous proton storms in space: full story.
But when will Solar Cycle 24 begin?
"Maybe it already did--on July 31st," says Hathaway. The first spot of a new solar cycle is always backwards. Solar physicists have long known that sunspot magnetic fields reverse polarity from cycle to cycle. N-S becomes S-N and vice versa. "The backward sunspot may be the first sunspot of Cycle 24."
It sounds exciting, but Hathaway is cautious on several fronts:
First, the sunspot lasted only three hours. Typically, sunspots last days, weeks or even months. Three hours is fleeting in the extreme. "It came and went so fast, it was not given an official sunspot number," says Hathaway. The astronomers who number sunspots didn't think it worthy!
Second, the latitude of the spot is suspicious. New-cycle sunspots almost always pop up at mid-latitudes, around 30o N or 30o S. The backward sunspot popped up at 13o S. "That's strange."
These odd-isms stop Hathaway short of declaring the onset of a new solar cycle. "But it looks promising," he says.
Even if Cycle 24 has truly begun, "don't expect any great storms right away." Solar cycles last 11 years and take time to build up to fever pitch. For a while, perhaps one or two years, Cycle 23 and Cycle 24 will actually share the sun, making it a hodgepodge of backward and forward spots. Eventually, Cycle 24 will take over completely; then the fireworks will really begin.
Meanwhile, Hathaway plans to keep an eye out for more backward sunspots.

FROM:http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2..._backwards.htm



The place where the December solstice sun crosses the Milky Way is precisely the location of the
"dark-rift in the Milky Way ...'xibalba be' - the road to the underworld."

On the winter solstice of 2012, the noonday Sun exactly conjuncts the crossing point of the sun's ecliptic
with the galactic plane, while also closely conjuncting the exact the center of the galaxy.



The sky on December 21st, 2012 A.D.
showing a rare astronomical alignment -
the winter solstice sun is right in the
"dark rift" in the Milky Way.


The Milky Way Galaxy is the inspiration for the symbol of the Ouroboros. Myth refers to a serpent of light residing in the heavens. The Milky Way is this serpent, and viewed at galactic central point near sagittarius, this serpent eats its own tail.

The Milky Way galaxy keeps a great time cycle that ends in catastrophic change. The sign of the SUNTELIA AION is the sun rising out of the mouth of the ouroboros, which will occur on the solstice December 2012.

The Greeks called the End of the Age the
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Ancient historians and especially --

The AION was symbolized by the Ouroboros. See: --

Jun 17, -- (11 Men (Eagle) / 13 Sotz' (--) - 12.19.8.5.15) - Hill Barn, near Badbury, Wiltshire - -- encapsulating planetoid On June 17, 2001, this Ouroboros cropcircle appeared with a soccer ball pattern inside which is said to be the shape of the Universe.


Stela 11 from Izapa shows Cosmic Father
in the "mouth" of Cosmic Mother, the
"dark rift" or "birth canal" in the
Milky Way. This is an image of
the celestial alignment which
culminates in A.D. 2012.

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We are from another galaxy in the process of joining with the Milky Way. The Milky Way is actually not our parent galaxy. The mystery of why the Milky Way has always been sideways in the night sky has never been answered -- until now.
Dave Romer - --. This movie shows the locations of Voyager 1 and Voyage 2 spacecraft circa 2003 -- above and below the galactic plane respectively. "This first full-sky map of Sagittarius shows its extensive interaction with the Milky Way," Majewski said. "Both stars and star clusters now in the outer parts of the Milky Way have been 'stolen' from Sagittarius as the gravitational forces of the Milky Way nibbled away at its dwarf companion. This one vivid example shows that the Milky Way grows by eating its smaller neighbors."
The study's map of M giants depicts 2 billion years of Sagittarius stripping by the Milky Way, and suggests that Sagittarius has reached a critical phase in what had been a slow dance of death.
"After slow, continuous gnawing by the Milky Way, Sagittarius has been whittled down to the point that it cannot hold itself together much longer," said 2MASS Science Team member and study co-author Martin Weinberg of the University of Massachusetts. "We are seeing Sagittarius at the very end of its life as an intact system."
Does this mean we are at a unique moment in the life of our galaxy? Yes and no.
"Whenever possible, astronomers appeal to the principle that we are not at a special time or place in the universe," Majewski said. "Because over the 14 billion-year history of the Milky Way it is unlikely that we would just happen to catch a brief event like the death of Sagittarius, we infer that such events must be common in the life of big spiral galaxies like our own. The Milky Way probably dined on a number of dwarf galaxy snacks in the past."
On the other hand, Majewski and his colleagues have been surprised by the Earth's proximity to a portion of the Sagittarius debris.
"For only a few percent of its 240 million-year orbit around the Milky Way galaxy does our Solar System pass through the path of Sagittarius debris," Majewski said. "Remarkably, stars from Sagittarius are now raining down onto our present position in the Milky Way. Stars from an alien galaxy are relatively near us. We have to re-think our assumptions about the Milky Way galaxy to account for this contamination."
The new findings will help astronomers measure the total mass of the Milky Way and Sagittarius galaxies, and probe the quantity and distribution of the invisible dark matter in these systems.
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THE FOLLOWING IS FROM OTHER RESEARCHERS
The astrological chart for 21 Dec 12:12 Central European Time

We believe the time is 21 Dec 11:11
based on the U.S. Naval Observatory at --

Major Jenkins believes the time to be 21 Dec 11:13.
In his book Maya Cosmogenesis 2012, he shows an observatory at:


On page 35, he states, "The early Zapotec capital of Monte Alban is located on a mountaintop outside of present day Ozxaca. Most structures at Monte Alban are oriented 4 degrees to 8 degrees east of north. Structure 1, a strange arrow-shaped building is different. Archaeoastronomers Anthony Aveni and David Linsley determined that this building loosely points to the setting positions of the five bright stars of the Southern Cross. This alignment occurred in the precessional era of 250 B.C. when these structures were built. Overall, the loose 3 degree range of the alignment is not very impressive. However, Aveni noted another alignment that yields more interesting results. The perpendicular to Structure J's baseline shoots through what was an opening or doorway in Structure P points northeast to where the bright star Capella was seen to rise in the processional era of 275 B.C. During this time Capella made its first reappearance in the predawn sky (its heliacal rise) on May 8, which is the first solar zenith passage date at the latitude of Monte Alban. Solar zenith passages (when the sun passes through the zenith at high noon) were important indicators of the zenith center and told the Mesoamerican farmer when the rainy season was about to commence. Solar zenith passages occur only within the Tropics, that is between latitudes 23.5 degrees S and 23.5 degrees N. Amazingly platform Structure B through which the Capella observations were sighted, houses Monte Alban's famous zenith tube. This vertical tube leads into an underground chamber where zenith passage measurements of the sun and stars could be made. Zenith tubes have been found at other sites, such as Xochicalco in Central Mexico.
They probably understood that the zenith center was located in 'time' as well as in space, because solar zenith passages occur only twice every year. The solar year (the haab), the tzolkin and intervals between zenith passages all contributed to the ancient Mesoamerican's developing calendric cosmology. It was the synchronization in time of key points in these different cycles that would define the center of time and space. However, it might be better to say that key alignments in large time cycles open the doorway to the center of spacetime, rather than define that center.
Teotihuacan, the great Toltec metropolis where the Fifth sun was born, also contains evidence of having been constructed according to an astronomical plan. Several scholars have argued that an alignment with the Pleiades was responsible for the founding orientation of Teotihuacan. The axis perpendicular to the famous Street of the dead pointed to the setting position of the Pleiades. The two "pecked crosses" that scholars believe were used to lay out the city lie along this axis. The pecked cross in the group of structures called the Viking Group is just east of the Street of the Dead, and the Cerro Colorado pecked cross is some distance to the west.
John Major Jenkins tells us this in his introduction:
"The eclipse is the path traveled by the sun, moon, and planets through the sky. Twelve constellations lie along the ecliptic, and the sun passes through all twelve during the course of one year. The ecliptic cross over the Milky Way at a 60 degree angle near the constellation Sagittarius. As such, it forms a cross with the Milky Way, and this cosmic cross was called the Sacred Tree by the ancient Maya. (The cross form was also known as the "crossroads." Amazingly, the center of this cosmic cross, that is right where the ecliptic crosses over the Milky Way is exactly where the December solstice sun will be in A.D. 2012. This alignment occurs only once every 25,800 years.
"The Milky Way is observed as a bright, wide band of stars arching through the sky. In the clear skies of ancient Mesoamerica, many dark, blotchy areas could be observed along the Milky Way's length. These are "dark cloud" formations caused by interstellar dust. The most prominent of these is called the "dark-rift" or the "Great Cleft" of the Milky Way. It looks like a dark road running along the Milky Way, and it points right at the cosmic crossing point, the center of the Maya Sacred Tree, right where the sun will be in 2012! The Maya called this dark-rift the Black Road, or the Road to the Underworld. They seem to have imagined it as a portal to another world, and the December solstice sun can enter it only in A.D. 2012.
"The area of the sky where all of these symbols and celestial objects converge is the center of our Milky Way Galaxy. This was perhaps the most astounding thing I discovered. The par of the Milky Way that the December solstice sun will conjunct is also where the center of our Galaxy (the Galactic Center) is located. It is the cosmic womb from which new stars are born, and from which everything in our Galaxy, including humans, came.
In the cosmos - 1 minute time is not going to make that big a difference
considering the vast amount of space between our sun and the center of the Milky Way
as seen from Earth. The original calendar was based on Mayan information at a
specific temple as yet unidentified as exact position.

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FROM: -- SOME SCIENTISTS SAY:
The public has many misconceptions about earthquakes – whether it’s the inevitability of California falling into the ocean or the wisdom of standing in a doorway during heavy shaking -- and about science’s ability to predict them. As the April 18 centennial of the 1906 San Francisco earthquake approaches, CGS hopes to debunk some common quake myths and help the public become better informed about the potential hazard.
While there are reports of predictions that have accurately stated the time, location and magnitude of an earthquake, frequently such reports aren’t examined in a scientifically rigorous fashion. Wills believe that the human tendency to seek out patterns to make sense of things – as well as selective memory – are behind many claims of inside knowledge of what the Earth is up to.
During a recent total eclipse of the sun, residents of Turkey’s Tokat province camped out in tents, fearing an earthquake. Although the scientific community offered reassurance that there’s no connection between eclipses and quakes, residents remembered that in August 1999, 17,000 people in northwestern Turkey died when an earthquake struck six days after an eclipse.
FROM: http://www.consrv.ca.gov/index/news/..._and_Myths.htm




THE ASTROLOGY OF DECEMBER 2012: DISASTER, ASCENSION OR BOTH?

by Roeland de Looff © --
(used with permission)
According to many prophecies something important is about to happen in 2012. In 2012 the centre of the Galaxy is at 0 degree of the Western zodiacal sign Capricorn. 0 degree Capricorn is the point of the zodiac where the Sun is during the December solstice.
At December 21, 11.12 GMT during the December solstice the Sun is at the exact centre of the Galaxy. According to the Mayas the center of the Galaxy is the cosmic womb: the place of dead, transformation, regeneration and rebirth. This moment shows the end of their calendar.
To know more about what this means it is interesting to make an astrological chart of the December solstice of 2012. Below you see a chart for 21 December 12.12 Middle European Time (11.12 GMT), Amsterdam, Netherlands. The planetary pattern will be the same for all locations only the ascendant and house division will be different.
HIGHLIGHTS OF THE ASTROLOGICAL CHART The Sun is at 0 degrees Capricorn, the point of the December solstice. It makes a sextile to Neptune, right at the beginning of Pisces. This is an almost exact sextile. The orb is less then half a degree. This aspect can point towards a spiritual experience, a loss or both.
The most important configuration is a yod which we find in the chart. This is also called the Finger of God. It looks like an arrow in the chart and it indicates change and transformations. .
The yod consists of: 1. A quincunx (150 degree aspect) between Jupiter and Pluto.
2. A quincunx between Jupiter and Saturn.
3. A central opposition (180 degree aspect) made between Jupiter and the Mercury/Venus conjunction.
The two quincunxes are almost exact, they have an orb of less then half a degree. In fact the quincunx between Jupiter and Pluto is exact at December 21 2012.
THE MEANING OF THE ASTROLOGICAL CHART
Pluto is the planet of radical transformation, death and rebirth.
Saturn is the planet of the earthly realm and of learning experiences, especially those of a more painful nature.
Jupiter is the planet of expansion. It is the focus of the yod, the planet which receives the strong energy of the other planets involved. It also expands the energy of the other planets involved (especially Saturn and Pluto). This yod indicates transformational processes which can be painful for many.
Jupiter has a central place in this because it is the focal point of the energy. This indicates changes in our religious systems, beliefs, philosophical systems. These fall under Jupiter.

Another notable configuration is the T-square with Neptune as focal point:
  • Jupiter makes a square (90 degree aspect) to Neptune.
  • Neptune makes a square to Venus.
  • Venus opposes Jupiter, this is the central opposition that activates the yod.
Therefore Neptune, the planet of spirituality, ascension, confusion and floods is a cruxial planet in this chart.
Is it possible to find out more details about the picture given above? Maybe we can use another astrological method to find out more about what the above chart indicates?
THE CHINESE FOUR PILLAR CHART OR THE STORY OF THE TWO DRAGONS
I have made a Chinese Four Pillar Chart. This type of chart contains of four pillars that are dependend upon the hour, day, month and year. Because the hourly pillar depends upon the location I have confined myself to the pillars of the day, month and year. These are the same for the entire world. In the roots of the chart (the lower part of the pillars) we find a rat that is surrounded by two dragons. The dragons almost seems to be making plans to eat the rat.
The dragon represents the ouroboros, the mythological dragon or snake that bites its own tail. According to Mayan cosmology this ouroboros symbolises the Milky Way.
The dragon is an earthly sign, the rat is a water sign. Therefore this chart contains water and earth.
In the stems (the top of the chart) we find yang fire. This is the strong fire of the Sun or a natural fire.
In this chart water is the strongest element. It can be found in the rat and in the two Yang Waters.
A meteorite falling in the ocean would be one expression of this chart. Or a vulcan (fire and earth) exploding and causing a tsunami (water). It could also indicate floods. Water and Earth the strongest elements of this charts are enemies to one another. Since Water is more powerful in the chart, this may indicate largescale floods. Therefore of all the events possible large scale floods are the most likely.
This is confirmed by the Western chart in which Neptune plays a crucial role.
In my opinion what this chart indicates is that the polluted energy of the collective unconsciousness will turn against humanity. Whatever happens, it will be an expression of the energy that is radiated by a humanity that is unable to live in peace and to make the right choices (for peace, welfare, health and inner spirituality).
CHINESE FOUR PILLAR CHART DECEMBER 21 2012 (DAY PILLAR, MONTH PILLAR AND YEAR PILLAR ARE NOT DEPENDENT UPON THE LOCATION) (The hour pillar not included as it is different from place to place)
PILLAR OF THE DAYPILLAR OF THE MONTHPILLAR OF THE YEARYANG FIREYANG WATERYANG WATER DRAGONRATDRAGONCONCLUSION: See: --

2012: Controversy - the Creation Cycles
do not end December 21, 2012,


Over the decades much discussion has focused on finding the exact --
between the -- and the --. Most researchers i
n the field have now come to agree that the so-called GMT --, placing
the beginning of the -- 4 Ahau 8 Cumku on the Julian day 584 283,
-- 11, 3114 BC, is correct. This means by consequence that it will end on --, -- and most, such as --, John Jenkins and --, who have taken an interest in the -- the --,
have endorsed this date as the end of the -- --.

--

EXPECTED ENDS OF THE WORLD
Arrival of Hindu's avatar of Krishna in 2003
--A Sweden-based site explaining Carl Johan Calleman's "Venus Passage"
discoveries due in 2012. However, Calleman has now decided that the Great Cycle
ends on 28th October 2011 - see the -- site.

The End of the Mayan Calendar After Dec. 21, 2012
Planetary Alignment Sept. 8, 2040
Will there be an Earth left to have earthquakes?
The End of the Muslim Calendar, 2076

The end of the Jewish Calendar, 2240
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<DIV align=center>
11:11 clue indicating the year, hour, and minute of the end of the cycle

2012
month
day
hour

2012
month
day
hour
minute

month
day
hour
minute
Perihelion
Jan
5
00

Equinoxes
Mar
20
05
14

Sept
22
14
49
Aphelion
July
5
03

Solstices
June
20
23
09

Dec
21
11
11

In the 28 years listed on the -- from which the above table was taken, only the one 11:11 universal time is given. The end of the Mayan calendar falls on December 21, 2012. That is the famous "End Date" -
The How and Why of the Mayan End Date in 2012 A.D.
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quandary121
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The Mayans did not elaborate in great detail about what would happen in 2012 A.D., just that their calendar would end. However, there has been no end (pardon the pun) to the possibilities being forecast by modern day interpretors of what the Mayans might have meant. These possibilities include 2012 A.D. as a time for:


1) major changes in human DNA (as in --),

2) an enormous leap in --
3) dimensional shifts (as in -- and/or --),
4) the cessation of linear --
5) an evolutionary human pinnacle
6) a huge surge and multiple breakthroughs in technology
7) the end of -- [Shirley, you jest!]
8) massive genetic mutations [the good news!]
9) (5/25/06) Massive earthquakes and volcanic activity due to sunspot activity and unique planetary alignments (as discussed in --),
10) a serious, altogether-too-close encounter with a -- member
11) and a cosmic alignment of our solar system with the plane of our Galaxy, the Milky Way. The latter represents the end of a 25,920 year cycle -- a cycle based on the Precession of the Equinoxes).


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